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Post by montreal on Apr 30, 2004 20:08:18 GMT -5
Of the game tonight for taking a two hand swing at Garett Stafford who was taken to the hospital. Perezhogin will likely be susupended. 3-0 Barons all PP goals, 2 from the 5 min major on Perzhogin.
Next game is Sunday in Cleveland at 4 pm as it looks like the dogs will lose this one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2004 20:30:31 GMT -5
Yikes. Why did Perezhogin do that?  |
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Post by Gogie on Apr 30, 2004 21:23:48 GMT -5
Talked to my son who was at the game tonight. Apparently Perezhogin was slashed from behind. Without looking he turned and swung his stick low to hit the guy back in the leg. Unfortunately there was a Baron player on the ice when he swung and he hit the guy in the face. From what I heard from my son it was pretty brutal. He heard the stick hit the guy right smack in the face - it sounded like it was hitting his helmet, but it wasn't. They had to work on the guy for awhile and took him off on a stretcher. Doesn't sound too good for Perogie!
As an aside, I listened to the last period of the game on the radio. From what Derek Willis (the Bulldogs' play-by-play guy) had to say, Bobby Langdon (the ref) called a pretty brutal game, especially from that point on. Yes, Willis is a bit of a homer, but he just about lost it complaining about the calls (and I can believe that Langdon was brutal - there's a few refs in the AHL that can't control a game). Needless to say, there was a bit of a brawl in the last couple of minutes of the third period. Gordie Dwyer got into a scrap with Christian Ehrhoff and got jumped by Matt Carkner. Sounded from the play-by-play call that it was an obvious 3rd man in. Guess Langdon saw it differently. Ehrhoff only got a roughing penalty while Carkner got an instigator (he didn't start the fight, Ehrhoff did) and a major. Dwyer got a holding penalty and a major. Even the two goalies got into it at that point.
Hopefully the Dog's can win Sunday in Cleveland, but if they don't I'll be at the game Monday.
By the way, why haven't the Habs sent Komisarek down? We can use him on defense!!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 1, 2004 0:13:17 GMT -5
I just saw the incident on TV. It was ugly, plain and simple. Watching that young man wriggling on the ice after the hit was painful to watch. That kinda stick crap has no place in the game, so Perezhogin is going to face a stiff suspension, that's for sure. I don't buy the refs losing control, or he was swinging his stick in self defence...he lost it, and some other young player is seriously injured as a result. A black eye on the organization and for a great young talent, but he is going to have to learn to keep that stick crap out of his game if he ever plans on cracking the NHL with the Habs.
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Post by FormerLurker on May 1, 2004 4:07:21 GMT -5
but he is going to have to learn to keep that stick crap out of his game if he ever plans on cracking the NHL with the Habs. Cause that kind of stuff never happens in the NHL, right?  |
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Post by BadCompany on May 1, 2004 6:08:23 GMT -5
Perezhoghin is done folks. And I don't mean for the playoffs.
I think he gets at least a year, and maybe a lifetime ban. Serious. This was bad. I saw it on TV, and it was brutal. Watch the news, because its one of those incidents that they love to play over and over and over. In my opinion, it was worse that Bertuzzi, and much worse than McSorely.
Perezhoghin, standing on his feet, swung his stick as hard as he could, at the Cleveland player who was lying on the ice. He connected directly into his face. The Cleveland player then went into convulsions, and is obviously seriously injured.
Don't know folks, but Perezoghin could be looking at jail time. Hate to jump the gun, but this could be a career killer.
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Post by BadCompany on May 1, 2004 6:14:52 GMT -5
Charges possible after incident at Bulldogs game [/size]
HAMILTON (CP) -- Charges are possible after a Hamilton Bulldogs player took a baseball-style swing at a Cleveland Barons player during the first period of Friday night's AHL playoff game.
A bloodied Barons defenceman Garrett Stafford was taken to hospital after he was struck in the head with a stick by Bulldogs forward Alexander Perezhogin. He was treated and released from hospital, according to a Hamilton Health Sciences spokesperson.
Stafford, a Los Angeles native, was on his knees at the time of the attack and fell to the ice in convulsions, blood gushing from a huge gash in his face.
"I've been doing hockey my whole life and I've never seen anything like it," said enraged Barons coach Roy Sommer, who talked about an NHL incident in 2000 when Marty McSorley hit Donald Brashear in the head with his stick.
"That makes the McSorley-Brashear thing look like girl scouts."
A doctor and trainers attended to the injured player, who reportedly lost many teeth, broke a bone in his face, suffered a third-degree concussion and might have suffered a seizure.
Sommer said he hopes Perezhogin is punished to the full extent possible.
"I don't think this guy should ever play again in North America," he said. "That's a travesty.
"I saw it on tape ... and it's even worse on tape."
Stafford was put on a stretcher and taken to Hamilton General Hospital about 15 minutes after the incident. He was alert and stable when he arrived there.
Cleveland won the game 4-1 but Hamilton still leads the best-of-seven playoff series 3-2. Game 6 is scheduled for Cleveland on Sunday afternoon.
Bulldogs coach Doug Jarvis said his team's thoughts are with Stafford.
"My only thoughts right now is that Garett Stafford is all right," he said. "That's what we're all hoping for at this time."
There was no word Friday night whether any charges will be laid.
Hamilton police Staff Sgt. Mike Campbell confirmed he had sent an investigator to Copps Coliseum to investigate. This does not mean that a complaint has been filed, or that charges will be laid, Campbell said.
In March, Vancouver Canucks player Todd Bertuzzi was suspended for the rest of the NHL regular season and playoffs for attacking Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore from behind.
Vancouver police have finished their investigation in that case and it is now up to the Crown to decide whether to lay charges.
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Post by Yeti on May 1, 2004 7:27:54 GMT -5
They will judge this on two counts:
1- The severity of the injury. A third-degree concussion. It is somewhere between Brashear (worst) and Moore (not as bad)
2- Intent to hit the head/face. Obviously the critical element. Was he aiming at the head/face or did he think he was going to connect with Stafford' tight (and there would have been no injury at all)?
The injury itself will not lead to a ban for life.
The answer to the second question could lead to a ban for life.
For those who didn't see it, Stafford was on his knees. Perezhogin did not took a swing with a high stick.
I saw it once and I can't say if Perezhogin knew Stafford was on his knees or not. He will certainly say he didn't know. If they believe him, he will get between 15 to 20 games imo.
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Post by Yeti on May 1, 2004 8:50:53 GMT -5
Well, hahem it looks worst in slow motion.  He lost it and if there is no NHL next season (hence no possible promotion for him), the guy may just pack up, leave and never return... Good luck to Stafford. Sad for the Habs on two counts: the image of the organization and it was done by our best Hamilton prospect. What a bad week. |
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Post by Madhabfan on May 1, 2004 9:06:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen the clip and now I don't think I want to.
Hope the guy he hit is alright.
CRAP!!!
This is very bad for us. Add to that Kastsitsyn will most likely turn out very very good, or a complete bust. If he's a bust....
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Post by jkr on May 1, 2004 9:34:32 GMT -5
Don't know folks, but Perezoghin could be looking at jail time. Hate to jump the gun, but this could be a career killer. I agree. This wasn't one of those Belak "I lost my balance" hits. This was a deliberate 2 hander. They have to come down hard on him and they will. He won't go to jail but I think he is looking at a full season out of North American hockey. |
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Post by HullOlympiques on May 1, 2004 9:55:02 GMT -5
You can't ban a player from North American play for a year. A league could do it. The AHL that is. But the kid was going to make the big club anyways.
He won't be playing in the AHL anymore for sure.
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Post by jkr on May 1, 2004 10:09:51 GMT -5
You can't ban a player from North American play for a year. A league could do it. The AHL that is. But the kid was going to make the big club anyways. He won't be playing in the AHL anymore for sure. Maybe but doesn't the NHL have to respect the discipline of another league - especially when they have a close association with that league? There is also the public relations aspect of the situation. If Montreal brings him up it will look like he is escaping discipline for a serious incident by avoiding the AHL. It just looks really bad. |
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Post by HullOlympiques on May 1, 2004 10:50:41 GMT -5
Let's just wait until the dust falls on this incident. Let Bob settle this.
1. He'll trade the asset, for something.
2. He'll let the kid play elsewhere if he doesn't make the big club.
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Post by Yeti on May 1, 2004 10:59:34 GMT -5
I just saw something that I missed the first time.
It's no excuse of course, lets be clear on that but Stafford swung his stick at Perezehogin head two seconds before. He missed. We know the rest.
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2004 15:06:37 GMT -5
I'm going to take an opposite viewpoint, fellas. I've seen the replay half a dozen times and I see Perezhogin getting crosschecked very hard, to the point of injury. As he is getting up, Stafford tries to decapitate Perrezhogin with a swing of his stick. I'm not sure if he hit Alex, but it may have glanced off the top of the helmet. Perezhogin retaliates and it looked to me like he hit Stafford on the top of the helment, not the face. It was an up down swing, not left to right. Sure Alex should get a suspension. And equal suspensions should go to Stafford and to the jerk who crosschecked Alex to start with. That'll happen when hell freezes over, of course because those in charge believe retaliation is unsportsmanlike, but you can initiate anything you like with impunity (see the Bertuzzi/Moore incident for reference). I am just really, really tired of having people believe there are no consequences to their actions. If Stafford doesn't swing his stick, Alex goes right back to playing hockey. So who's at fault?
Gordie Howe used to do that all the time, using his elbows. He just had more patience, and it was tolerated. If you left him alone, he left you alone.
This won't be helped by the media who already have Perezhogin hung drawn and quartered and Stafford as the apprentice to Mother Teresa.
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Post by montreal on May 1, 2004 15:07:09 GMT -5
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on May 1, 2004 15:30:48 GMT -5
I'm going to take an opposite viewpoint, fellas. I've seen the replay half a dozen times and I see Perezhogin getting crosschecked very hard, to the point of injury. As he is getting up, Stafford tries to decapitate Perrezhogin with a swing of his stick. I'm not sure if he hit Alex, but it may have glanced off the top of the helmet. Perezhogin retaliates and it looked to me like he hit Stafford on the top of the helment, not the face. It was an up down swing, not left to right. Sure Alex should get a suspension. And equal suspensions should go to Stafford and to the jerk who crosschecked Alex to start with. That'll happen when hell freezes over, of course because those in charge believe retaliation is unsportsmanlike, but you can initiate anything you like with impunity (see the Bertuzzi/Moore incident for reference). I am just really, really tired of having people believe there are no consequences to their actions. If Stafford doesn't swing his stick, Alex goes right back to playing hockey. So who's at fault? Gordie Howe used to do that all the time, using his elbows. He just had more patience, and it was tolerated. If you left him alone, he left you alone. This won't be helped by the media who already have Perezhogin hung drawn and quartered and Stafford as the apprentice to Mother Teresa. Excellent post dix-sept. Will the elements of provocation, expected positioning of the opposing player, and Perezhogin's prior record be given fair weight? If the NHL's "retaliatory" penalty mind-set is in play, then no. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on May 1, 2004 15:34:02 GMT -5
I have no problem with that preliminary action. However, when a "full" examination of the incident is conducted, I sincerely hope the "fullness" includes a microscopic review of the activity and reaction that led to Stafford's face being mashed. |
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Post by Cranky on May 1, 2004 15:36:34 GMT -5
I he get's a lifetime ban so should Boohoozzi. I am not defending what Perez did but what is fair punishement for Bertuzzzi should be just as good for Perez. Did Perez intent to hit him on the face? I hope he is smart enough to get legal council and instructions on what to say. By the way, here is the video thanks to DisturbedPO in HF. www.net-igloo.com/Upload/Perezhogin.wmv |
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Post by Goldthorpe on May 1, 2004 15:36:39 GMT -5
I've just seen the replay and I agree, it has nothing to do with Bertuzzi case. Yes, Perez did made a bad reckless slash, but I don't think he was even aware that Stafford had felt.
I bet on maybe a few matchs of suspension, but nothing more.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on May 1, 2004 16:04:19 GMT -5
How many games will Stafford get for missing Perezhogin's head on his initial attempt. Zero.
Bad karma, pal.
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Post by MC Habber on May 1, 2004 17:43:19 GMT -5
*Sigh* It looks like I'm starting a collection of these things. I think it's likely that Perez was not intending to hit him in the face - Stafford first fell to the ice, then raised himself up and turned around so that he was facing the stick as it approached him. At worst, Perez might have been trying to hit him in the back of the helmet, but he may have thought he would hit him lower or miss completely (over his head). While the results are terrible, the actual act is no different than what I've seen go uncalled many times this season in the NHL. I've never understood why that kind of thing is tolerated unless somebody gets hurt. |
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Post by Vinna on May 1, 2004 17:45:39 GMT -5
It was a stupid play. I am quite disapointed in Perezhogin. For this reason I will refrain on commenting untill I calm down.
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Post by JFM on May 1, 2004 19:03:02 GMT -5
I just saw an extended footage played on That's Hockey on TSN. Now I have to agree that this is just reprehensible, and has no place in hockey. The extended tape shows Stafford mauling Perez behind the net. Perez escapes with possession of the puck and goes for a wrap around. During the process of the wrap around Stafford slashes him in the back of his legs THEN finally knocks him down with a cross check to the back. Perez retaliates with a slash/ or spear while on the ice that knocks Stafford down. Stafford is the first one to take a two handed swing at Perez' head and appears to connect a glancing blow. Then we see Perez' reaction. Once again Perez should and will be punished. I feel that Stafford should also be suspended for his actions that led up to the final act. I found it extremely idiotic for the Barons' coach to say that it was worse than the McSorley incident. Brashear was stalked up the ice and attacked from behind. And he was attacked for refusing to drop the gloves to fight. Perez was abused for a good 5-10 seconds including receiving a 2 hander off the top of his helmet before finally retaliating. I guess the coach didn't see any of that. Unlike Moore & Brashear, Stafford wasn't an innocent victim.
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Post by habmeister on May 1, 2004 20:33:39 GMT -5
I just saw something that I missed the first time. It's no excuse of course, lets be clear on that but Stafford swung his stick at Perezehogin head two seconds before. He missed. We know the rest. Exactly what i was thinking, why isn't anyone, including the biased media talking about the kid swinging his stick at perezhogin's head first!!?? Give me a break, live by the sword, die by the sword. The only reason perezhogin snapped was because the guy just swung his stick at his head, i would have done the same thing. It looked bad, but if the other guy connected it would have been bad as well. The only unfortunate thing is that he's one of our top prospects, and hockey will be out to make an example of him. |
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Post by franko on May 1, 2004 20:41:32 GMT -5
Exactly what i was thinking, why isn't anyone, including the biased media talking about the kid swinging his stick at perezhogin's head first!!?? The only unfortunate thing is that . . . hockey will be out to make an example of him. Yup, and yup. Stafford needs to be dealt with but won't be: he didn't connect (therefore it didn't happen) and he was injured -- severely. Ribs -- you get hit like that then you can do your little chicken dance on the ice. Otherwise, get up and skate away. |
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Post by rhabdo on May 1, 2004 20:50:51 GMT -5
Years ago, in the 6-team NHL, when every team played each other 14 times, there was an incident involving Bernie Geoffrion and Mike Murphy of the Rangers. Murphy swung his stick at Geoffrion when Bernie didn't have a stick in his hands. Geoffrion, who had a hot temper, went ballistic. He picked up his stick and swung at Murphy, and when he missed he took another swing and broke Murphy's jaw. Clarence Campbell suspended Geoffrion for the Canadiens remaining games against the Rangers but he was allowed to play in all other games. Murphy wasn't suspended because he would be missing games due to his injury. The punishments were as bizarre as the incident.
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Post by MadRookie on May 1, 2004 21:06:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know if a suspension in the AHL would apply to games in the NHL as well?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on May 2, 2004 6:49:33 GMT -5
Does anyone know if a suspension in the AHL would apply to games in the NHL as well? What sort of classless organization would promote a suspended player? That would be as repulsive as the incident itself. |
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