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Post by The New Guy on Dec 6, 2011 11:23:24 GMT -5
An excellent synopsis by Pat Condell. A very select few countries are actually calling the shots in the EU. If nothing else Pat Condell is a man with interesting ideas. I don't quite buy the whole cabal and conspiracy thing (while you can argue that Europe has been sold undemocratically into the EU, to me it's not the secret movements of a hidden manipulative hand, but just a repeat of the last two thousand years or so in Europe - from Rome to the Carolingians to the Holy Roman Empire to Napoleanic France to Nazi Germany). I also don't think a revolution is necessary. All the cards have been played in that game and what's left are a few tricks that won't matter a row of beans when things are counted. The EU faced a massive monetary crisis and responded - as Europe has historically responded to crises - as individual nation states rather than a collective whole. And that means the EU is a failure and while it holds power now it will not do so much longer. This will probably be painful mind you. Some nations have benefited from the EU much more than others. Greece and Italy are probably destined to become client states of other more significant powers (Italy will be in France and Germany's sphere, Greece will fall back into the British/American sphere and will see some revitalization once Russia begins to flex her muscles again). Germany, France and the Brits will be the strongest - Germany and France because of their dominant status in the EU, the Brits because their ties to the EU were terribly weak. But the EU is dead. No revolution did her in, simply the natural tendencies of the European nations, who once again have proven if you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2011 21:16:27 GMT -5
Germany is now demanding... Any country that doesn't balance it's budget lose it Euro voting rights. That all budgets be reviewed by "central body". Gee....I wonder who will control that body. Any politician who does not meet the budget should be charged in European Court. Any country who does not agree to this should leave the EU. That's hilarious because there is not legal way to do it. Are they going to send in the Stukas and SS? Who the HELL made them masters of EU? This stinks more then a port-a-potty at a Mexican restaurant after a bout of runs. I'm taking bets that this push to vassal state level will NEVER pass a vote from the masses. There is so much arrogance by the Euro elite that not only do they want to go ahead, they outright claim that it's "unhelpful" to consult the people. Yeah, democracy is a biatch for the Lords Of Euro Flies. If this was Canada, I would be organizing Armageddon....  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EDIT: I want to makes something perfectly clear. When I say Germany, I am talking about political elite and not the people on the street. Now more then ever, I see a complete disconnect between the elite and Mr. Average Herman or Mr. Average Kostas. Rule by the people for the people is on life support in the mainland EU. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 7, 2012 22:09:46 GMT -5
I feel grateful to live in a society that promotes democracy and freedom of speech.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 7, 2012 22:38:40 GMT -5
I feel grateful to live in a society that promotes democracy and freedom of speech. voter suppression is a far cry from democracy Dis .... but it isnt the Canadian way to over throw governments. I find it laughable that Elections Canada will take years to uncover this and let an illegal govt sit in office. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 8, 2012 12:23:17 GMT -5
I feel grateful to live in a society that promotes democracy and freedom of speech. voter suppression is a far cry from democracy Dis .... but it isnt the Canadian way to over throw governments. I find it laughable that Elections Canada will take years to uncover this and let an illegal govt sit in office. You've lost me, Skilly. I was talking about the gentleman addressing the EU and the directness of his message. Where does voter suppression come into this clip? Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 9, 2012 1:57:32 GMT -5
Skilly, were you referring to the vote scandal thing going on? The auto messaging that the Conservatives tossed at a lot of liberal voters to make sure they didn't get to the church on time?
I don't dislike some of the conservatives (Jim Flaherty), but I despise Harper. He's a control freak (never a good thing in an organization) and he's lacking in ethics and morals. Just the fact he starts campaigns to destroy opposition leaders, when there's no election in the horizon, is an excellent example of his tactics. He's a bully and knows no other way to get things done. He's a far cry from a true Canadian. This latest voting stuff is right out of the Republican manual.
What you said up above, HA, about the EU and its power brokers is very true in North America as well. The average middle class guy is constantly manipulated by the power brokers into thinking what they'd like us to, by giving us selective information. It's global.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 10, 2012 11:32:12 GMT -5
voter suppression is a far cry from democracy Dis .... but it isnt the Canadian way to over throw governments. I find it laughable that Elections Canada will take years to uncover this and let an illegal govt sit in office. You've lost me, Skilly. I was talking about the gentleman addressing the EU and the directness of his message. Where does voter suppression come into this clip? Cheers. It has nothing to do with the clip Dis, but everything to do with your comment that you feel grateful to live in a society that promotes democracy. Our government as it stands right now is a far cry from a democracy if even one vote was intentionally suppressed. But to attempt to suppress 31,000 (or more) votes all across the country? Then John Baird goes to Burma and Ang Saun (sp?) speaks of voter suppression and the need to stop it in a real democracy ....oh the irony ... Baird's response was to poke fun at how long it takes Burma to count its votes. I think she bought that up in an intelligently and purposeful manner myself .... Sorry, this prolly deserves its own thread, .. It's rather surprising really more of us, the general public, are not up in arms over this. |
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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2012 12:34:45 GMT -5
you're probably right, Skilly, this does deserve its own thread . . . but I'll continue here anyway.
if one vote is "suppressed" or there is a hint of suppression something needs to be done about it. I'm not sure an RCMP / Elections Canada investigation is going to come up with much so an inquiry should be done . . . but I think that needs to wait until the ongoing investigation is complete otherwise there will be toe-stepping and confusion.
as to the 31,000 voters [and growing] who were supposedly suppressed . . . well, to be honest, I have a problem with that number for this reason: find the appropriate link [there are two of them, one Canadian and one from the United States] and "click" and you have registered that you received a call. the problems I have with this: [1] no name is necessary, just a "click", so anyone can "complain" but there is no accountability or possibility of checking out what you are complaining about [2] the idea of Robocalls has everyone up in arms against the Conservatives but "robocalls" is vague, and some people think that if they received an automated call that means that they were "suppressed", yet all parties sent/send out automatic calls to say "vote for me" -- that is now what is at issue here. what is at issue is dirty tricks and illegality -- and if Pierre Poutine is linked to the Conservative Party or Stephen Harper I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest intent.
unfortunately, there is no credible leader to take his place in any of the opposition parties or in the Conservative party.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2012 13:19:43 GMT -5
Okay, got it now ... didn't know the scenario, but I find it interesting for sure. Thanks guys ...
Still like the way this Brit politician spoke his piece. He was assertive, direct, accurate and in your face. Something many politicians simply need more of.
Cheers.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2012 13:27:13 GMT -5
as to the 31,000 voters [and growing] who were supposedly suppressed . . . well, to be honest, I have a problem with that number for this reason: find the appropriate link [there are two of them, one Canadian and one from the United States] and "click" and you have registered that you received a call. the problems I have with this: [1] no name is necessary, just a "click", so anyone can "complain" but there is no accountability or possibility of checking out what you are complaining about [2] the idea of Robocalls has everyone up in arms against the Conservatives but "robocalls" is vague, and some people think that if they received an automated call that means that they were "suppressed", yet all parties sent/send out automatic calls to say "vote for me" --  A couple of days ago I received a robocall from some Liberal politician around 8:30 to attend a town hall meeting. I'm not falling for it. Nope. Not me. I'm sure it was the Conservatives planning to bring all liberals in one place and hit them with their brainwashing ray guns. In fact, that night, PET interrupted my usual porn-ocopia dreaming to warn me about those evil, secret agenda Conservatives. Anyone who takes those two sites seriously should invest in some land I have in Florida. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2012 13:29:05 GMT -5
I feel grateful to live in a society that promotes democracy and freedom of speech. voter suppression is a far cry from democracy Dis .... but it isnt the Canadian way to over throw governments. I find it laughable that Elections Canada will take years to uncover this and let an illegal govt sit in office. I like your humour. |
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