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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2011 19:26:29 GMT -5
Coming up tonight on TSN via Dreger's report.
Would you?
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Post by HFTO on Nov 9, 2011 20:03:00 GMT -5
...if you are willing to giveup a boatload of blue chippers PK etc.
Nash won't come cheap,with a pile of almost 30 yr olds on this club can the Habs afford to give up the few handful of young guys it'll take to swing such a deal.Yes we need that dominant center but the Habs have to hold on to their young players.
HFTO
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 9, 2011 20:29:11 GMT -5
Is he defensively responsible?  |
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2011 20:34:08 GMT -5
He would cost an arm and a leg. He's not a center though.
I would try to center the deal around Cammalleri (not that I want to get rid of him), but you can bet that they'd want Pacioretty in return. PK wouldn't be available. We simply don't have another like him in the system.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 9, 2011 20:44:28 GMT -5
If Subban's untouchable, then perhaps the deal would be off the table.
If not, I can see them wanting Pacioretty and Eller to start....
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Post by Skilly on Nov 9, 2011 21:41:45 GMT -5
I dont care who they'd want ... give it to them. We have average prospects, average d-men, and average forwards. Any chance to get an elite power forward, 30-40 goals a year, you do it and start a proper re-build ...
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2011 21:52:18 GMT -5
Does 30-40 goals make one elite though? If that's the case, Gio and Cammy are only a couple of goals short in each of the last two years and they've had injuries.
He can be a franchise player though. I'd consider a combination of forwards. Their payroll is higher than ours surprisingly. After Carter, they're really thin up the middle. Huselius and Prospal are older, soft, and UFA at the end of the year.
How do we get Gomez in the deal ...
There's a lot of turmoil in CBJ right now. Howson's future is up in the air. Hitchcock will be evaluating the club he has for the rest of the year. I'd be surprised to see them blow it up before the Summer. He and Nash would have to clash hard and early for a deal to happen this season I think.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 9, 2011 22:04:07 GMT -5
Hitchcock is coaching St. Louis.
The Jackets still have Scott Arniel.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 9, 2011 22:10:22 GMT -5
I dont care who they'd want ... give it to them. We have average prospects, average d-men, and average forwards. Any chance to get an elite power forward, 30-40 goals a year, you do it and start a proper re-build ... Beats tanking I guess. You get a guy in his prime (27) with many good years left. But he can't do it himself. If we gut the cupboard of our very best players, there'll be some lean years ahead. Will be if we don't do it, too.  And is PG the guy to build around him? Interesting scenario. One thing's for sure, somebody's gonna overpay to get him. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 9, 2011 22:18:38 GMT -5
I'd take him, but no Eller and no PK. If they want Tinordi, our first, and soem 2nd tier prospects (Kristo) ok, but not our young core. At least he's a sniper and a strong guy to boot.
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 10, 2011 9:13:37 GMT -5
It would cost an arm and a leg, but for a guy like Nash?
Right now our organizations strong point is blueliners. When everyone gets healthy we will have (in no particular order) Markov, Gorges, Gill, Spacek, Weber, Campoli, Diaz, Subban & Emelin with Tinordi and Beaulieu coming up soon as well. If we could make defense a key component of the trade, maybe with one of our better forwards (Patches most likely, but possibly the Squid or Gionta, wishfully Gomez) we might be able to broker a deal. But the key would be to offload a young blueliner or two - Tinordi and Weber, for example - to make use of our organizational depth.
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Post by franko on Nov 10, 2011 9:47:53 GMT -5
who wouldn't want out of Columbus, but that would be the death knell of the franchise. Nashville is signing for the long term for stability and the fan base; if Columbus were to do this the fan base [such as it is] would disappear completely.
Columbus is in our situation -- the claim is that they haven't had all their team [Wiz out for the first 8, Carter out for a while].
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 10, 2011 10:14:00 GMT -5
It would cost an arm and a leg, but for a guy like Nash? Right now our organizations strong point is blueliners. When everyone gets healthy we will have (in no particular order) Markov, Gorges, Gill, Spacek, Weber, Campoli, Diaz, Subban & Emelin with Tinordi and Beaulieu coming up soon as well. If we could make defense a key component of the trade, maybe with one of our better forwards (Patches most likely, but possibly the Squid or Gionta, wishfully Gomez) we might be able to broker a deal. But the key would be to offload a young blueliner or two - Tinordi and Weber, for example - to make use of our organizational depth. I would agree that our upside tradebait-wise is on the prospect of our D...specifically Subban, Tinordi, and Beaulieu. That's who they'd target, IMO. Up front, Pacioretty and Eller, in terms of prospects already in the NHL. Pleks and Cammy as established players. Also, if Columbus does indeed agree to trade Nash, they might also want Price. Every franchise needs a franchise goalie, and Mason isn't getting the job done at all. I agree with franko re: losing Nash without getting something elite (or the strong prospect of elite) in return would signal the ultimate end of the franchise. Someone will overpay.... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 10, 2011 12:28:50 GMT -5
I dont care who they'd want ... give it to them. We have average prospects, average d-men, and average forwards. Any chance to get an elite power forward, 30-40 goals a year, you do it and start a proper re-build ... Gauthier isn't a risk-taker. But, at the same time he's very good at icing swift-skating, talented, small teams that are good getting into the playoffs. They're not so good staying in the playoffs, though. Does Nash really want out? If he does, is it because he's tired of being Columbus? Maybe he just had a stellar Olympics? I dunno, man (shrugs shoulders). But, every time I hear about a big forward possibly being available, I go back to what Serge Savard did when he first took over. He traded practically our entire offence, Mark Napier and Keith Acton, to Minnesota for Bobby Smith. Up to that point we hadn't had a big presence down the centre since Jean Beliveau and we haven't had a big presence down the middle since he left. Now, while Nash isn't a centre, he is a big power forward and he'd probably be the most talented player on our roster. What would that cost? (speculation to follow) If a guy like Nash, the face of the Columbus franchise, were to be available Columbus would want an instant, on-ice return (IMHO of course). Two talented roster players would be just a start, but then you're possibly looking at a top-notch prospect (in the Tinordi mold maybe?) as well. Heck, maybe even a first-rounder to boot. Having said that, I'm not so sure he'd be worth all of that. I was listening to TSN last night and I think Aaron Ward pointed out that the Rick Nash in Columbus, isn't the same Rick Nash that excelled in the Olympics. I thought about that for a while and I have to agree. We've seen glimpes and flashes of that here and there, but we haven't really seen that kind of dominating presence every says he has. However, if he is, indeed, on the block, Columbus could care less about that. Cheers. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 10, 2011 13:27:05 GMT -5
I think Nash is comparable to Stall in Carolina in that both are top power forwards in their prime but no supporting cast. The Habs will never be in a position to draft one of these guys and would have to drastically overpay in free agency so when an chance arises you have to go for it. It may take a third team involved to get a goalie but give up a first round pick, a top prospect on defense and get it done.
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 10, 2011 13:56:17 GMT -5
It would cost an arm and a leg, but for a guy like Nash? Right now our organizations strong point is blueliners. When everyone gets healthy we will have (in no particular order) Markov, Gorges, Gill, Spacek, Weber, Campoli, Diaz, Subban & Emelin with Tinordi and Beaulieu coming up soon as well. If we could make defense a key component of the trade, maybe with one of our better forwards (Patches most likely, but possibly the Squid or Gionta, wishfully Gomez) we might be able to broker a deal. But the key would be to offload a young blueliner or two - Tinordi and Weber, for example - to make use of our organizational depth. I would agree that our upside tradebait-wise is on the prospect of our D...specifically Subban, Tinordi, and Beaulieu. That's who they'd target, IMO. Up front, Pacioretty and Eller, in terms of prospects already in the NHL. Pleks and Cammy as established players. Also, if Columbus does indeed agree to trade Nash, they might also want Price. Every franchise needs a franchise goalie, and Mason isn't getting the job done at all. I agree with franko re: losing Nash without getting something elite (or the strong prospect of elite) in return would signal the ultimate end of the franchise. Someone will overpay.... I would gladly give up Tinordi + Patches + Weber + picks for Nash. Gladly. In fact, there are only two players on this team I wouldn't give up. Price and Subban. Everyone else - Markov, the Squid, Plekanec - even a guy like Beaulieu - I wouldn't even wave goodbye I'd be so giddy with excitement. If they want a goalie then lets go out and get a goalie. They're a dime a dozen these days anyway. Are the Leafs interested in moving Scrivens or Gustavsson? What about Schneider in BC? Do it. Get it done. Nash is that good. He'd change this team instantly. |
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Post by 24in93 on Nov 10, 2011 13:56:46 GMT -5
If there's any validity to his being available you MUST inquire on the cost. There's no untouchables but I'd say Price is the closest untouchable in this one, maybe PK too.
Edit - Same thought as TNG. Goodbye to anyone not named Price/PK. I'll help them pack.
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Post by jkr on Nov 10, 2011 16:25:12 GMT -5
If there's any validity to his being available you MUST inquire on the cost. There's no untouchables but I'd say Price is the closest untouchable in this one, maybe PK too. Edit - Same thought as TNG. Goodbye to anyone not named Price/PK. I'll help them pack. I would include Plekanec in that group because Nash has to have a bona fide centre. You don't want him playing with Gomez do you?  |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 11, 2011 7:23:11 GMT -5
Coming up tonight on TSN via Dreger's report. Would you? Kind of surprised Nash would do that because he has been saying all along he loves in in Columbus. He just signed that big contract and have't had chance to work with Jeff Carter yet. Talk about an aburt turn. Anyway, I imagine the price to get him be huge, and we need a center way over a winger. I would't give up Pacioretty for him. Patches is in his second year in the league he hasn't hit his prime years yet. Still on pace for 30 goals and 65 points about all we will get out of Nash and about 7 million a year cheaper. I would offer a package for Nash based on what Columbus needs. But I wouldn't trade Price, Subban or Pacioretty. Some contract would have to go back other way for sure. |
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Post by franko on Nov 11, 2011 8:10:26 GMT -5
Columbus is a cap team.
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2011 9:56:23 GMT -5
They spend more than Montreal does Franko.
I think Nash's decision may be based on where the team is going. If Howson's future is in doubt, if there's any chance of a new '3 year plan', he may have had enough.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 11, 2011 10:22:53 GMT -5
Not sure if Nash is the the guy I would bet the franchise on. With guys like Pacioretty and Cole, I don't know if he's what we need. A scoring winger who would probably score 50 if he had an elite center to work with, which we don't.
We would need to give up a ton to get him - so you really want to make sure it's for the right guy. If we were talking about Eric Staal I would do it, since he fits the profile of what we need (even though he's struggling this year in Carolina).
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Post by franko on Nov 11, 2011 10:41:25 GMT -5
They spend more than Montreal does Franko. that's what I was saying [sort of], in reply to gnick. they are up against the cap so it would be difficult for them to take contract the other way. |
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2011 14:34:30 GMT -5
Gotcha. I think they'd likely have to take some salary back. The thing about the likes of Cammalleri or Gomez is that they've only got a few years left on their deals. You'd likely have to give up more in prospects to send them a contract.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 12, 2011 1:49:33 GMT -5
Coming up tonight on TSN via Dreger's report. Would you? Do you have a link or opening poster just horsing around? I just read his report and Dreger didn't mention Nash. |
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Post by blny on Nov 12, 2011 11:23:43 GMT -5
It was discussed during the intermissions of their broadcast the other night. I don't believe it to be a case of TSN just making conversation, so I posted it.
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Post by Anardil1 on Nov 12, 2011 13:24:45 GMT -5
The price that the Habs would have to pay would make the team resemble the club that Nash would be leaving behind. IMHO, I can't see this happening.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 19, 2011 8:55:29 GMT -5
Not sure what PK's true trade value is around the league but I'd definitely consider trading him for a young franchise forward. IMO we do have the organisational depth to deal PK as Beaulieu will be a better player than Subban in 2 years. Less flashy but more complete. If we focus on building a contender in 2-3 years and not on trying to get by year by year, then PK is your ticket to get forward help.
That being said, Nash wouldn't be my target. I'd want a younger player and a center.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 19, 2011 13:40:20 GMT -5
Not sure what PK's true trade value is around the league but I'd definitely consider trading him for a young franchise forward. IMO we do have the organisational depth to deal PK as Beaulieu will be a better player than Subban in 2 years. Less flashy but more complete. If we focus on building a contender in 2-3 years and not on trying to get by year by year, then PK is your ticket to get forward help. That being said, Nash wouldn't be my target. I'd want a younger player and a center. Matt Duchene? I'd still be very reluctant to deal PK. He's played less than 2 full years in the NHL, he's been asked to do much more than he should, and he still is one of the best young D in the league. To trade him, you'd have to get someone like Duchene. Even up. Let's not underrate PK. It makes more sense to trade one of our 'older' guys. I love Markov, but if he, along with other parts, gets you the same type of guy, that's what I'd do. A dominant defense can take you a long way, including improving the offense. Tinordi gives us the backbone in the back, PK and Beaulieu are the two way guys, Gorges is still around for veteran leadership, and Diaz and Emelin make up the final pairing. That would be a very solid defense corp. But it's 3 years away at least. That should be PG's time line. Get some scoring that will help us 3 years from now. |
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