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Post by blny on Feb 16, 2012 19:30:39 GMT -5
TBay sends Moore and a 7th for SJ 2nd.
From twitters of Lebrun and McKenzie.
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Post by PTH on Feb 16, 2012 19:48:44 GMT -5
I think we just lost our best potential destination for Moen.
We also have a pretty good idea what he's worth.... Moen is less "enthusiastic" on the ice than Moore, but IMO a pretty equal player, so as good a comparable as we'll get to judge Moen's value.
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Post by blny on Feb 16, 2012 19:59:38 GMT -5
The Cup ring, and his edge in physical play mean he's got more worth to me. I'd be pulling hard for a second without having to add anything. Moore is also 2 years older.
FWIW, there's a growing movement interested in re-signing him. Not sure if it's within the org, but Moen brings something we don't have a lot of. He's a quality utility player.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 17, 2012 2:39:08 GMT -5
Moore is a player we needed here this year. Good on face-offs, take key defensive situations allow Plekanec to spent more time on offense. Plekanec had 70 points season Moore was here. Instead of the 50-55 he gets now.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 17, 2012 10:40:58 GMT -5
Yzerman sure doesn’t beat around the bush when it comes to tanking the season.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 17, 2012 11:04:34 GMT -5
Moore's 9th team in 9 years.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 17, 2012 11:06:24 GMT -5
Yzerman sure doesn’t beat around the bush when it comes to tanking the season. Yep....and it wasn't that long ago that they drafted Stamkos and Hedman with top picks. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 17, 2012 12:07:57 GMT -5
Yzerman sure doesn’t beat around the bush when it comes to tanking the season. Yep....and it wasn't that long ago that they drafted Stamkos and Hedman with top picks. No goalie. They stuck with Roloson one year too long. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 17, 2012 13:39:36 GMT -5
Yep....and it wasn't that long ago that they drafted Stamkos and Hedman with top picks. No goalie. They stuck with Roloson one year too long. No goalie. They stuck with Roloson one year too long.[/quote] This is why I feel the top 3 pick of a draft should not be awarded to last place teams but in random fashion: The Holliday planEvery year the top 3 seeds are awarded via a lottery in which all teams participate. A team awarded the #1 pick one year can’t get that seed until every other team have won it. However they still can win the #2 or #3 unless they already won it in previous “special draft”. If they win the #2, they can’t win that seed until every other team have won it, but they still can win #1 or #3. And so on. These picks are actually outside the regular draft and the picks are not tradable (a team with the #1 seed, must pick, they can then trade that drafted player if they wish but they’ve lost that seed for 30 years nonetheless). Regular draft start after the “special draft” in the exact format it is now. So every team will end up with a top 3 pick every 10 years and a #1 overall every 30 years. Teams tanking will at best get the #4 ranked player with the first overall pick of the “regular draft”. A less enticing price to tank IMO. Draft day will be an exciting event with the “special draft lottery suspense” every year. I got it all figured out... If only Bettman and Daily would return my calls….  |
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Post by blny on Feb 17, 2012 14:05:25 GMT -5
That seems really complicated. IMO, the draft seeding alone doesn't determine success. There's a line of teams that prove it.
The Bolts have two strong pieces in Stamkos and Hedman. I don't feel the latter is truly elite, but he's solid. They are a shining example of why consistent goal tending is vital. IMO, offensively challenged teams with strong goalies have a better chance of winning than offensively gifted teams that can't keep the puck out. 40 goal men may not grow on trees, but elite goal tending is harder to find.
As for changing the draft, I'm okay with the current format. Those that missed the playoffs should have a leg up on the rest. If I were to change anything, it would be that ANYONE missing the playoffs has a shot at #1. Spread the chance of getting #1 out more too.
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Post by franko on Feb 17, 2012 15:45:14 GMT -5
I'd be good with either . . . simplify the fact that you can only "win" the #1 pick once every 10 or 15 years, and allow any non-playoff team into the lottery.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 17, 2012 18:56:46 GMT -5
IMO, offensively challenged teams with strong goalies have a better chance of winning than offensively gifted teams that can't keep the puck out. 40 goal men may not grow on trees, but elite goal tending is harder to find. I got to disagree. We've had elite goaltending since the days of Theodore and have been offensively challenged to the nth degree. We struggle to make the playoffs, we struggle when in the playoffs to score, and we've had one third round appearance since 1993. We are exhibit A that we can't rely on the goalie to win each and every game ... You need to find ways to put the puck in the net. The Flyers have been always considered favorites , with weak goaltending ... They are always one of the worst teams in goals allowed. They are practically locks for the playoffs are always considered strong favorites cause they can score enough to hi the weak goaltending. I think they've missed the playoffs once since 2004 , and besides that year have clinched well before the last week of the season. |
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Post by blny on Feb 17, 2012 19:14:07 GMT -5
By elite, I mean year to year. Not a flash in the pan. The latter has become all to common in the NHL.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 17, 2012 19:21:34 GMT -5
By elite, I mean year to year. Not a flash in the pan. The latter has become all to common in the NHL. Then we will have to agree to disagree cause IMO Theo, Halak, Price were/are elite ..And we went the furthest with probably the worst of the group |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 18, 2012 11:24:02 GMT -5
By elite, I mean year to year. Not a flash in the pan. The latter has become all to common in the NHL. Then we will have to agree to disagree cause IMO Theo, Halak, Price were/are elite ..And we went the furthest with probably the worst of the group Not at the time, though. Halak was super-human. I can't recall a goalie pulling off 3 games in a row like he did against the Caps...and continued to a degree over the Pens. All three, though, finally ran out of gas/miracles as the playoffs wore on. Simply because too much was being asked of them....which goes to your point. Gotta have the finishers up front to go with it. (Although Theo had some outright bring-you-out-of-your-seat steals of playoff games vs. the Bruins back in his heyday. No question. Those two 2-1 wins in Games 5 and 6 in 2002....and the last 3 games of the 04 series.) Remember this 180-spin blocker save in Game 6 of the 02 series? Perhaps a bit of luck there....but Theo was on fire! |
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