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Post by GNick99 on Feb 21, 2012 6:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Feb 21, 2012 6:56:59 GMT -5
you can never have too many good [emphasis GOOD] d-men.
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Post by blny on Feb 21, 2012 7:16:03 GMT -5
www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/Xavier_OuelletRanks 9th on the Wings prospect chart. Not very big. Is he truly going to be better than the slight/slender dmen we have already? HF does give him a decent rank of 7C. He's at best a 3-4 guy as a pro, but could it's just as likely he is a 5-6. If that's the best trade available, I think I'd rather sign Travis. Players like Ouellet can be found easily enough.
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Post by PTH on Feb 21, 2012 7:52:05 GMT -5
I think TVA just threw a few ideas together..... Moen as a rental, Detroit has a good prospect from Quebec.... let's make it a story !
Anyhow, I'd rather sign Travis myself, but I'd be fine with this deal. Yes, Ouellet isn't really big, but to me a 2nd round pick who's been working out is a solid return, regardless of position. Besides.... given how valuable young defensemen are (on the trade market), I'd rather have a surplus there than elsewhere.
And I like the idea of getting prospects farther along in their development than just getting picks in 2012 and 2013.... if we consider the core as being our guys from the 2005 and 2007 draft classes, we need to get guys closer to them in age, a 2013 kid will be a full 8 years younger than Price, their careers won't overlap much.
Plus, we desperately need some local content. I'd rather it take the form of good kids than have us stuck keeping guys like Darche around simply so reporters have someone to talk to.
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Post by PTH on Feb 21, 2012 7:54:00 GMT -5
Just realised how crappy hockeysfuture editing is.... they have him on the "Blaineville-Boisbriad " team, took me a while to realize it's the "Blainville-Boisbriand" !
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Post by seventeen on Feb 21, 2012 11:20:55 GMT -5
That came up on another site and I checked out Mr Ouellet. It's actually an interesting proposition. He's another 2nd round pick, with lots of time to develop and is still only 18. He's second on his team in scoring averaging almost a point per game. Frankly, without having seen the kid, I'd do it. I like Moen a lot, but we can try and re-sign him in the summer to a good solid contract.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 21, 2012 12:04:00 GMT -5
If this is true, I am not sure what PG is waiting for ... waiting for Moen to suit up so he can trade him during a shift? Or does Detroit want to see Moen in action first ...
Ouellet is captain of the Armada, he has 49 points in 53 games (more than he had last year), and is showing leadership on and off the ice on a team in the midst of a re-build. He is a member of Beaulieu's draft class ... and finished just behind Beaulieu last year in point I believe.
This year Beaulieu has 40 points in 43 games (11th d-man in scoring).... Ouellet has 49 points and is the third leading scoring defenseman in the Q and is not known for offense, on a young rebuilding team, logging ice-time on the PP and PK.
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Post by jkr on Feb 21, 2012 14:15:11 GMT -5
What's the state of Moen's health. All I have heard is that it's an "upper body injury". If it's a concussion then all bets are off because there is no timetable for recovery.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 22, 2012 6:20:31 GMT -5
Either Moen's health is holding trade back or they may want to sign him
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Post by Polarice on Feb 22, 2012 6:28:21 GMT -5
I got a quick text at 2am this morning that the Habs were "listening" to offers for Pleks!!
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Post by jkr on Feb 22, 2012 7:45:45 GMT -5
I got a quick text at 2am this morning that the Habs were "listening" to offers for Pleks!! I would listen too but they better be great offers. Do they want to go into next season with Eller & Desharnais as their centres? I am assuming Gomez will be elsewhere by then. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 22, 2012 11:15:36 GMT -5
I got a quick text at 2am this morning that the Habs were "listening" to offers for Pleks!! I can't even speculate who is coming back but it has to be either an elite prospect or offensive center |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2012 11:59:14 GMT -5
Carter. Money is about the same. Just the crazy term, and a player who may or may not rebound once out of Columbus.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 22, 2012 12:40:08 GMT -5
I know Carter has had a bad year, but i would still do it. Pleks is like Koivu, a number 2 guying playing in a number 1 role.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 22, 2012 12:40:36 GMT -5
I got a quick text at 2am this morning that the Habs were "listening" to offers for Pleks!! I have no issue with that. A culture change is required. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 22, 2012 12:42:54 GMT -5
Carter. Money is about the same. Just the crazy term, and a player who may or may not rebound once out of Columbus. Carter with cole and patches would be a great first line |
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Post by franko on Feb 22, 2012 12:46:25 GMT -5
Carter here would be wonderful and he could focus on hockey because Montreal isn't a party town at all  |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2012 13:14:41 GMT -5
Carter here would be wonderful and he could focus on hockey because Montreal isn't a party town at all That's my concern. I'm not sold on Carter being good with Cole and Pacioretty. He's not a playmaker. Three shooters on a line, with no one to pass, isn't a guarantee for success. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 22, 2012 13:53:41 GMT -5
I haven't heard what teams were asking, but they were all Western teams as far as he knew.
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Post by jkr on Feb 22, 2012 15:10:44 GMT -5
I haven't heard what teams were asking, but they were all Western teams as far as he knew. Kings maybe? Trouble scoring &hanfing on to the 8th PO spot right now. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 22, 2012 15:14:01 GMT -5
I haven't heard what teams were asking, but they were all Western teams as far as he knew. Kings maybe? Trouble scoring &hanfing on to the 8th PO spot right now. Maybe, he just heard other staff talking...probably mostly gossip. Read today that Habs got solid offers for Kaberle...but all involved other players coming back and I guess PG wants prospects and or picks. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 22, 2012 17:24:21 GMT -5
Carter. Money is about the same. Just the crazy term, and a player who may or may not rebound once out of Columbus. That is a big contract! I am not that worried about the lenght as contract front loaded, in the last 3 years he should be very tradable as only 2 million a year. But still wouldn't move Plekanec for him. |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2012 18:02:42 GMT -5
Carter. Money is about the same. Just the crazy term, and a player who may or may not rebound once out of Columbus. That is a big contract! I am not that worried about the lenght as contract front loaded, in the last 3 years he should be very tradable as only 2 million a year. But still wouldn't move Plekanec for him. I have to disagree. He's 27. When his salary drops to $5 million he'll be 34. He'll be 37 at the end of the contract. With few expections, there's not much interest in 37 year old players. People aren't really knocking down Columbus' door right now as it is. Do we really want to be stuck with another Gomez-like contract? The league is more than concerned with super long term deals. Teams should be too. I'd rather pay a little more in assets for a guy like Getzlaf, and be in a CBA where 10 year deals that are front loaded aren't allowed. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 22, 2012 18:10:05 GMT -5
That is a big contract! I am not that worried about the lenght as contract front loaded, in the last 3 years he should be very tradable as only 2 million a year. But still wouldn't move Plekanec for him. I have to disagree. He's 27. When his salary drops to $5 million he'll be 34. He'll be 37 at the end of the contract. With few expections, there's not much interest in 37 year old players. People aren't really knocking down Columbus' door right now as it is. Do we really want to be stuck with another Gomez-like contract? The league is more than concerned with super long term deals. Teams should be too. I'd rather pay a little more in assets for a guy like Getzlaf, and be in a CBA where 10 year deals that are front loaded aren't allowed. Well, it is a big contract but first 7 years are big after that it drops off to 2 million a year. Literally controls Carter from 27-34 years old. Basically his prime years. After could buy him out or send to minors. He's a 40 goal scorer, nothing like a non-producing contract like Gomez. But only if we get a deal on Carter, I wouldn't trade high for him because chances are we going to have to spend 6 million on back end of his contract to buy himout |
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2012 18:27:48 GMT -5
I see a lot of similarities between Carter and Gomez.
Scott has a 4 decent seasons in NJD. Then he has a huge one with Gionta. After that, comes back to Earth and has a 60 point season. The next three years (two in NY one in Montreal), he avgs about 65 points, but the best was the first in NY. Scott's a 60-65 point player. Simply put.
Carter shows progress in his first two years. He then has a big here where he scores more than 40 goals. He immediately dips back to 60 point seasons. He's on pace for similar numbers in Columbus. I fear he's a 60 point player. He'll score as many goals as he assists on, but a 60 point player nonetheless.
IMO, he's not a franchise player. He's not the face of a team. The ONLY way you can justify that sort of term is for a franchise player.
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