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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2012 14:42:49 GMT -5
CKAC and Marinaro are running with a rumour that PG is looking to deal Kostitsyn to Nashville for the rights to Radulov.
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Post by PTH on Feb 23, 2012 14:56:50 GMT -5
Well, it's not just his "rights", it's not like he's an RFA - he still has a valid, entry-level contract for a season.
I think an already-solid team should be willing to give up a lot to get him, imagine adding a high-level player old in his prime at entry-level salary....
Add him to any top-6 team and they become a Cup Favourite....
That being said, if we can get him for Kosty and we have reasonable assurances he'll come back, I'm all for it. If it's sure he's coming back, I'd give Nashville their 2nd rounder to boot.
Still, my trade offer to Nashville would be Kosty for a 2nd rounder in 2013, and if Kosty re-signs or if they make it to the 3d round, the 2nd rounder is forgotten and we get Radulov.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 23, 2012 15:00:35 GMT -5
CKAC and Marinaro are running with a rumour that PG is looking to deal Kostitsyn to Nashville for the rights to Radulov. My opinion of Marinaro is not very good. I believe this when I see a more legit source. I think Kostitsyn will be traded but I see a first round pick coming back. If Rad is coming back to NHL cannot see any GM trading him for Kostitsyn? |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2012 16:18:06 GMT -5
I say 'rights' because there's no guarantee he comes back.
His attitude is the factor for me. Not just bailing on a contract he signed, but what he did to his coach this year. I just don't think that's a road we want to go back down.
Value wise, I really believe their a wash. His numbers before leaving were spot on with Andrei's. You can't place too much credence on what he's done over there. Totally different game and class of opposition.
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2012 16:32:05 GMT -5
doesn't Marinaro remember how the Habs deal with problems like SK & Grabovski? They badly want to get rid of them & practically give them away for nothing. Why would they take Radulov? He's run out on a contract & hit his caoch with a stick. No thanks.
Marinaro doesn't have an ounce of credibility left. Radulov did play in Quebec City so Marinaro is probably trying to connect the dots to Patrick Roy as coach & somebody that can rein Radulov in.
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Post by PTH on Feb 23, 2012 16:40:20 GMT -5
One thing though, this would fit with something Gauthier said he wanted to do at the time of the Halak-Eller deal: get players who can contribute more than their cap hit would indicate.
Seems simple enough, but I think it's only after realising that they were stuck with high-paid guys like Gomez, Cammy and Gionta who weren't delivering enough production that management started to look at cap hit as being an important factor....
Radulov could definitely offer us at least one season of better production than his cap hit !
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2012 22:11:00 GMT -5
Just watched a clip on TSN. Andrei REEEEEEEALLLY doesn't want to leave. You get the feeling it's sincere in that he'd likely have an emotional breakdown if he left. When asked about Nashville, he shot it down hard and fast.
The rumours are clearly getting to him.
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Post by franko on Feb 23, 2012 22:16:46 GMT -5
thank you, no.
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Post by PTH on Feb 23, 2012 22:37:04 GMT -5
Just watched a clip on TSN. Andrei REEEEEEEALLLY doesn't want to leave. You get the feeling it's sincere in that he'd likely have an emotional breakdown if he left. When asked about Nashville, he shot it down hard and fast. The rumours are clearly getting to him. If he really wants to stay, maybe he could try playing better  (take the story below, and tweak it, and it's AK's story....) True story (from Dartmouth): A student comes to a young professor's office after hours. She glances down the hall, closes his door, kneels pleadingly. "I would do anything to pass this exam." She leans closer to him, flips back her hair, gazes meaningfully into his eyes. "I mean..." she whispers, "...I would do...anything." He returns her gaze. "Anything?" "Anything." His voice softens. "Anything??" "Anything." His voice turns to a whisper. "Would you...study?" |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2012 23:22:18 GMT -5
I'm by no means saying keep him because of the comments. Just an observation. He came off as completely afraid of the idea of having to move and get comfortable in a new city. He said as much, in his broken English.
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Post by PTH on Feb 23, 2012 23:34:19 GMT -5
Hey, if he wants to sign an extension for 1.5 a year, I'm game....
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 24, 2012 4:39:24 GMT -5
Yeah, well he's played like crap for ages now he doesn't want to move. Two weeks ago he was threathening to ask for a trade. The guy is a head case time for club to move on. At 3 1/4 million a year moving to Nashville isn't bad to react like that
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2012 8:16:27 GMT -5
All his talk of not wanting a move might make other teams think twice before acquiring him.
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2012 8:33:46 GMT -5
All his talk of not wanting a move might make other teams think twice before acquiring him. That's my fear. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 24, 2012 9:40:08 GMT -5
I almost dispute Marinaro on the Radulov rumour. Darren Dreger was on 990 this morning and said teams aren't asking about Kostitsyn. He said Habs have been asked about 15 different players and not one other team asked if Kostitsyn was available. I can't totally say Marinaro is wrong because still chance a team may get desperate at last minute and makes a offer of Radulov. But as of now it don't sound like any teams are interested.
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2012 10:58:10 GMT -5
I almost dispute Marinaro on the Radulov rumour. Darren Dreger was on 990 this morning and said teams aren't asking about Kostitsyn. He said Habs have been asked about 15 different players and not one other team asked if Kostitsyn was available. I can't totally say Marinaro is wrong because still chance a team may get desperate at last minute and makes a offer of Radulov. But as of now it don't sound like any teams are interested. Too bad. I'm just tired of his inconsistencies. Is he playing like crap now so that other teams are scared off? |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 24, 2012 11:24:45 GMT -5
I almost dispute Marinaro on the Radulov rumour. Darren Dreger was on 990 this morning and said teams aren't asking about Kostitsyn. He said Habs have been asked about 15 different players and not one other team asked if Kostitsyn was available. I can't totally say Marinaro is wrong because still chance a team may get desperate at last minute and makes a offer of Radulov. But as of now it don't sound like any teams are interested. Too bad. I'm just tired of his inconsistencies. Is he playing like crap now so that other teams are scared off? Kind of mixed on this one. Given AK contract status figure be clubs trying to pick up a proven 20 goal scorer |
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Post by clear observer on Feb 24, 2012 13:42:48 GMT -5
I still see Kostitsyn as a (very) "late bloomer" whose best years have yet to come. Would be a shame to have them come while he's in a different uniform.
Soooo many tools, dammit!
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 24, 2012 15:57:12 GMT -5
I might be the only one but I like AK and think if would take 9 mil for 3 years it would be a good deal. He is consistantly a 20 goal scores that can hit and at times be great. I think if given the right linemates and left to play he would be fine. He does much better with Eller than Gomez for example. I think people have to stop expecting him to suddenly be a 40 goal power forward and accept that he will get 20-25 playing 2-3 line all year.
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Post by Gogie on Feb 24, 2012 16:39:11 GMT -5
I might be the only one but I like AK and think if would take 9 mil for 3 years it would be a good deal. He is consistantly a 20 goal scores that can hit and at times be great. I think if given the right linemates and left to play he would be fine. He does much better with Eller than Gomez for example. I think people have to stop expecting him to suddenly be a 40 goal power forward and accept that he will get 20-25 playing 2-3 line all year. ^^^This I've always been a fan of AK and had high expectations. I watched him frequently when he was in Hamilton and was very impressed. I thought he would be a consistent 30-40 goal player in the NHL and like many have been disappointed in his production. That said, I still think he brings a lot to the team and, for the right price, is worth holding onto. BTW, he was an outstanding shoot-out specialist in Hamilton and I think the Habs have been remiss in not using him consistently in this role. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2012 17:24:07 GMT -5
I'm just awfully tired of letting UFAs leave for nothing. If you aren't going to trade him & no one is asking about him then sign him to the discount he said he would take.
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2012 17:25:24 GMT -5
Sure, Andrei is a capable secondary offensive contributor. I just think more and more it's time to move on. Continue with the purge of necessary people.
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2012 17:25:36 GMT -5
I still see Kostitsyn as a (very) "late bloomer" whose best years have yet to come. Would be a shame to have them come while he's in a different uniform. Soooo many tools, dammit! He just turned 27. He is what he is.  That being said I would rather have him on the team than Radulov.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2012 17:57:15 GMT -5
I'm just awfully tired of letting UFAs leave for nothing. If you aren't going to trade him & no one is asking about him then sign him to the discount he said he would take. I agree jkr, he seemed fine when he was with Eller. Maybe he gets tired of getting jerked around... Most people would. In a 2nd/3rd line role with Eller and maybe a Moen/White type player would be good. Also he comes back at a discount. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 24, 2012 18:19:52 GMT -5
I still see Kostitsyn as a (very) "late bloomer" whose best years have yet to come. Would be a shame to have them come while he's in a different uniform. Soooo many tools, dammit! ... I used to think the same way about Zubrus ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 24, 2012 18:20:53 GMT -5
Sure, Andrei is a capable secondary offensive contributor. I just think more and more it's time to move on. Continue with the purge of necessary people. Send him to SJ and what him light it up. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2012 18:37:52 GMT -5
He might light it up anywhere, but it's not happening here. His fragile psyche has worn thin.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 25, 2012 11:49:42 GMT -5
I'll be glad when this trade deadline has passed because about 75% of the articles written are the same old re-cycled rumours just going from one reporters opinion to another.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2012 15:24:49 GMT -5
I almost dispute Marinaro on the Radulov rumour. Darren Dreger was on 990 this morning and said teams aren't asking about Kostitsyn. He said Habs have been asked about 15 different players and not one other team asked if Kostitsyn was available. I can't totally say Marinaro is wrong because still chance a team may get desperate at last minute and makes a offer of Radulov. But as of now it don't sound like any teams are interested. Pierre Lebrun on TSN's website says that Kostitsyn keeps popping up in trade rumors and he puts the odds at 50-50 that he gets traded to Nashville |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2012 15:30:27 GMT -5
I almost dispute Marinaro on the Radulov rumour. Darren Dreger was on 990 this morning and said teams aren't asking about Kostitsyn. He said Habs have been asked about 15 different players and not one other team asked if Kostitsyn was available. I can't totally say Marinaro is wrong because still chance a team may get desperate at last minute and makes a offer of Radulov. But as of now it don't sound like any teams are interested. Pierre Lebrun on TSN's website says that Kostitsyn keeps popping up in trade rumors and he puts the odds at 50-50 that he gets traded to Nashville If he goes to nashville, we will see a stud emerge. Trotz is a great coach Imo and he get the maximum out of AK. |
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That being said I would rather have him on the team than Radulov. 
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