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Post by GNick99 on Mar 29, 2012 16:50:23 GMT -5
I hope they look to trade Bourque this summer. As he does not work overhard and not smart player on ice. These type players I like to move out before trade value goes. Present, he should net solid draft pick in return as 20 goals scorer this year and is decent on PK, signed under team control at acceptable salary.
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Post by blny on Mar 29, 2012 20:30:55 GMT -5
I'm willing to wait until next year. It's been a tough year for a lot of people. He came into a tough situation. I think he'll rebound to previous production next year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 0:06:03 GMT -5
Bourque has all the tools to be a great support player. I wouldn't give up on him too soon.
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Post by jkr on Mar 30, 2012 6:48:43 GMT -5
I would wait too. Too often this team has given up on players early and gained almost zero return. Heck, Pouliot has 15 goals.
Let's give him at least a half season before discarding him.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 30, 2012 8:24:04 GMT -5
I think Bourque would be fine on a 3rd line with Eller and Gionta. All three of those guys could chip in 20+ goals next year, which would be excellent for a 3rd line.
The problem, of course, is that we currently have no second line, and if a guy like Bourque has to play there then he's not going to look so good.
For the summer I think we need to add the following:
* Two second line wingers for Plekanec: Winning the lottery would be nice, which would give us one in Nail Yakupov, but let's wait and see about that. Otherwise I think we're in trouble. We can overpay for PA Parenteau, but he's another Mighty Mite and that still leaves us a winger short, no pun intended. This is going to be tough.
* One defensive defenseman, right-shooting: There are a few available on the scrap heap, which might be an option considering that we only want them as 5th or 6th defensemen. Shouldn't be *too* difficult to fill, unless you want a guy who can actually play 20 minutes. Wither art thou Ryan O'Byrne?
* Four fourth liners/depth player to join Ryan White: Travis Moen should be one of them, Louis Leblanc could be another if he's not rushed to the second line. Staubitz? I'd like to see an upgrade there, but he's an option. Schultz? Probably not ready. Darche should be a gimme as a depth player. So really only one or two smash-mouth players need to be found here.
Really, it's all about that second line. If we hit a couple of home runs there then we should be fine next year. Otherwise... it could get ugly.
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Post by blny on Mar 30, 2012 8:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 30, 2012 10:28:29 GMT -5
Get Larry Robinson behind the bench....that would no doubt help to sway not only Parise, but other quality players....
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Post by blny on Mar 30, 2012 11:40:58 GMT -5
See CH's post. I was thinking it myself. The money is there to make a strong offer to Zach. Bury Gomez, and you have oodles of space. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 30, 2012 23:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 31, 2012 0:50:48 GMT -5
We need more scorers this summer. Parise would be an incredible coup. Throw money. Play his dad's heritage big time. Do what it takes!
I don't really see it happening, which means another proable summer of second tier guys to hopefully kick start this one line offense. Boy does it need help.
For the record, Getzlaf and Parise were my top two picks in 2003 when we selected AK (yes, I was a big fan of the Dub back then too). I was torn between those two, and went with Getz because I thought Parise was another Chris Higgins clone. I was wrong on that, right on wanting him.
My third pick was a stretch with Dustin Brown. I loved what he was doing with Guelph, but thought that he did not deserve a top 10 pick in such a talented draft so quickly dismissed him and what he was doing so well in the OHL. I had those three guys ahead of Carter and Perry (who I really did not like at all). Just goes to show...
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Post by seventeen on Mar 31, 2012 1:10:54 GMT -5
I just haven't seen enough juniour games to make an educated guess. Am watching Ottawa/Belleville right now and that Monoghan kid looks good, but he's a 2013 draft. The announcers are saying next year is really strong, with McKinnon and Monoghan as two of the guys to watch. And we have two 2nd rounders next year, so that's good. I suspect a top 5 pick next year is going to be a lot more attractive than a top 5 this year.
I still have hope (pipe dreams anyway) that we can land Parise. Yes, we aren't a great team this year, but any player who loves hockey and has any brains can tell we're not far off and we certainly have some core pieces and others ready to join the team in a couple of years. We'll make the playoffs next year and be a true contender in 2014 and 2015. Glass half full, that's me.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 31, 2012 11:54:34 GMT -5
Frankly I think they'll go all out this summer.
Big Bangs. I mean Getzlaf, Nash, Stall, Huberdeau... kinda deals...
Just a hunch but I don't think Molson is looking for a GM that will pussyfoot around this alignment and tell him to be patient, that everything will be all right by tweaking here and there.
He's done being patient.
I think Molson wants the HABS to be front and center, wants experts to go wow, did someone put coke in their ice tea...
I think he's sick and tired of the good little team that don't rock the league image.
I think he's tired of being the lauging stock of the league. At every level.
One name keeps popping in my head: Ovechkin. For a moment forget money, cap , contrat and all that stuff, think hockey, think fun in the house, think "showtime". He'd be the guy to create a buzz. Larger than life, bad boy, etc... but a player with an incredible passion for the game who's just crying out to be in a hockey crazed maket. He's suffocating in Washington, they're taming him down, killing his passion over there. They can be convinced to deal him, just need a motivated GM to make it happen over here.
I see sone BIG things happening this summer.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 31, 2012 12:12:13 GMT -5
Frankly I think they'll go all out this summer. Big Bangs. I mean Getzlaf, Nash, Stall, Huberdeau... kinda deals... Just a hunch but I don't think Molson is looking for a GM that will pussyfoot around this alignment and tell him to be patient, that everything will be all right by tweaking here and there. He's done being patient. I think Molson wants the HABS to be front and center, wants experts to go wow, did someone put coke in their ice tea...I think he's sick and tired of the good little team that don't rock the league image. I think he's tired of being the lauging stock of the league. At every level. One name keeps popping in my head: Ovechkin. For a moment forget money, cap , contrat and all that stuff, think hockey, think fun in the house, think "showtime". He'd be the guy to create a buzz. Larger than life, bad boy, etc... but a player with an incredible passion for the game who's just crying out to be in a hockey crazed maket. He's suffocating in Washington, they're taming him down, killing his passion over there. They can be convinced to deal him, just need a motivated GM to make it happen over here. I see sone BIG things happening this summer. I love the thinking, Doc. Tom Brady was on the radio here in Boston recently talking about his thought process when he drops back to pass. His first read is "is there a touchdown on this play?" Can we hit the big gain? So that's what you want to consider when the new team comes in. It's all fine and good to build through the draft and be patient, but the first question should be - can we hit a TD? Can we make a monster move RIGHT AWAY? Of course, you weight that against the costs and alternatives but you want management to be aggressive and show some urgency. When asked about Gomez, Molson was pretty direct about saying that they will do what it takes to be competitive. But he's telling the new management team - give me a reason to bury Gomez in Hamilton. Make a move that makes it worth the trouble. Just burying Gomer in Hamilton so we can have more cap flexibility to be patient is a non-starter. Wow me. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Mar 31, 2012 15:56:12 GMT -5
Frankly I think they'll go all out this summer. Big Bangs. I mean Getzlaf, Nash, Stall, Huberdeau... kinda deals... Just a hunch but I don't think Molson is looking for a GM that will pussyfoot around this alignment and tell him to be patient, that everything will be all right by tweaking here and there. He's done being patient. I think Molson wants the HABS to be front and center, wants experts to go wow, did someone put coke in their ice tea...I think he's sick and tired of the good little team that don't rock the league image. I think he's tired of being the lauging stock of the league. At every level. One name keeps popping in my head: Ovechkin. For a moment forget money, cap , contrat and all that stuff, think hockey, think fun in the house, think "showtime". He'd be the guy to create a buzz. Larger than life, bad boy, etc... but a player with an incredible passion for the game who's just crying out to be in a hockey crazed maket. He's suffocating in Washington, they're taming him down, killing his passion over there. They can be convinced to deal him, just need a motivated GM to make it happen over here. I see sone BIG things happening this summer. If the new GM deals this year's first pick + players for a quick fix type deal, I WILL BE CLOSE TO DONE WITH THIS TEAM!!! There is no quick fix that will turn the Habs into contenders next year. I REALLY hope that Molson has been paying attention this year. |
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Post by blny on Mar 31, 2012 17:44:45 GMT -5
If Ottawa can bounce back from where they were last year, and have the sort of year they've had this year, then we're not far away. Parity, or parody - whichever you prefer, means that you're never far away. Frankly, this team isn't. Confidence, top down, will do this team a world of good. A new attitude from up top will trickle down.
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Post by jkr on Apr 1, 2012 8:01:53 GMT -5
Frankly I think they'll go all out this summer. Big Bangs. I mean Getzlaf, Nash, Stall, Huberdeau... kinda deals... Just a hunch but I don't think Molson is looking for a GM that will pussyfoot around this alignment and tell him to be patient, that everything will be all right by tweaking here and there. He's done being patient. I think Molson wants the HABS to be front and center, wants experts to go wow, did someone put coke in their ice tea...I think he's sick and tired of the good little team that don't rock the league image. I think he's tired of being the lauging stock of the league. At every level. One name keeps popping in my head: Ovechkin. For a moment forget money, cap , contrat and all that stuff, think hockey, think fun in the house, think "showtime". He'd be the guy to create a buzz. Larger than life, bad boy, etc... but a player with an incredible passion for the game who's just crying out to be in a hockey crazed maket. He's suffocating in Washington, they're taming him down, killing his passion over there. They can be convinced to deal him, just need a motivated GM to make it happen over here. I see sone BIG things happening this summer. Apply for the job - NOW!  |
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 2, 2012 6:52:13 GMT -5
Win the lottery, draft Yakupov, sign Parise and Suter, plan the parade.
<sigh>
I think we're going to sign PA Parenteau and welcome back Frankie Bouillon.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 2, 2012 8:44:35 GMT -5
Frankly I think they'll go all out this summer. Big Bangs. I mean Getzlaf, Nash, Stall, Huberdeau... kinda deals... Just a hunch but I don't think Molson is looking for a GM that will pussyfoot around this alignment and tell him to be patient, that everything will be all right by tweaking here and there. He's done being patient. I think Molson wants the HABS to be front and center, wants experts to go wow, did someone put coke in their ice tea...I think he's sick and tired of the good little team that don't rock the league image. I think he's tired of being the lauging stock of the league. At every level. One name keeps popping in my head: Ovechkin. For a moment forget money, cap , contrat and all that stuff, think hockey, think fun in the house, think "showtime". He'd be the guy to create a buzz. Larger than life, bad boy, etc... but a player with an incredible passion for the game who's just crying out to be in a hockey crazed maket. He's suffocating in Washington, they're taming him down, killing his passion over there. They can be convinced to deal him, just need a motivated GM to make it happen over here. I see sone BIG things happening this summer. Huberdeau or Nash ... do-able, but expensive. That said, be careful what you wish for. Cheers. |
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 3, 2012 6:48:51 GMT -5
There has been some talk about Parise and Suter signing as a package deal. Not sure how much of that is true, and how much of it is just "wow, wouldn't that be something" talk, but could you imagine?? We win the lottery and then land those two?
Cole – Desharnais – Pacioretty
Yakupov – Plekanec – Parise
Bourque – Eller – Gionta
Moen – White – Leblanc
(Darche), (Staubitz)
Markov – Emelin
Suter - Subban
Gorges – Diaz
Kaberle
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2012 13:36:02 GMT -5
Anything is possible. I wouldn't discount the Gionta factor either. They played together. If they target him for July 1, I could see Gio being used to sway him.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2012 14:03:29 GMT -5
Crunching the numbers on BC's roster, it is doable. With modest raises to those RFAs, losing Darche, having Staubitz and Blunden as your spare forwards, and removing Gomez via AHL, there's going to be between $34-35 million invested in the forward group next season. That number goes up dependent on what it would take to get Parise on a ltd. My target number would be $6 million per season. Determine the number of years required to get that dollar amount. Someone would throw more at him I'm sure.
The D I would do a little differently. Diaz can go back to Europe. He's okay, but just too much of what we already have. Kaberle goes potentially to the third pair, with $1 million or so being spent on a tough guy as number 7. Suter will command money similar to Parise. As a result, you're looking at $24-25 million invested on D.
Without factoring in Price's new deal, you're looking at around $60 million with Budaj.
I do think there's merit to the idea that the new GM will want to put his stamp on the team. I could still see a move where Pleks is part of a package to land a bigger body at center.
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 6, 2012 20:35:18 GMT -5
I'm willing to wait until next year. It's been a tough year for a lot of people. He came into a tough situation. I think he'll rebound to previous production next year. Bourque has poor work ethic and low hockey sense exactly the type of player to move off the roster |
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Post by HFTO on Apr 8, 2012 13:20:18 GMT -5
BC you must be out west coast smoking weed.... a hell or dream but you can spark one up for me I'm on board.
I'll wait for reality to set in ....a couple months from now....Go Habs!!!!!...make it so!
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Post by blny on Apr 8, 2012 14:09:55 GMT -5
I'm willing to wait until next year. It's been a tough year for a lot of people. He came into a tough situation. I think he'll rebound to previous production next year. Bourque has poor work ethic and low hockey sense exactly the type of player to move off the roster His hockey IQ can't be that bad. He was a regular penalty killer after the trade, and was effective. If he returns to the player he was in previous seasons, he'll be a decent secondary producer. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 8, 2012 17:28:11 GMT -5
Bourque has poor work ethic and low hockey sense exactly the type of player to move off the roster His hockey IQ can't be that bad. He was a regular penalty killer after the trade, and was effective. If he returns to the player he was in previous seasons, he'll be a decent secondary producer. AGreed. I can't understand why people want to dump a player after half a season & trade him at his lowest value. This team has been doing that crap for so long. Give up on a guy & watch him succeed elsewhere. O'Byrne, SK etc. Aren't people tired of it yet. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 8, 2012 18:24:39 GMT -5
He was the best player on the ice in a Habs/Flames game last year, scoring twice and adding a helper, except it was for the Flames against us. I thought he was exactly what we needed. Unfortunately, his heart wasn't in it with the Habs. Whether that was because he was greeted like a Texas oil man at a Sierra Club convention or if he couldn't get over leaving Calgary, he wasn't even adequately effective with us. He can be a lot better and it's up to the organization to get that out of him.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Apr 17, 2012 11:51:09 GMT -5
I do think there's merit to the idea that the new GM will want to put his stamp on the team. I could still see a move where Pleks is part of a package to land a bigger body at center. Lecavalier? |
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2012 13:52:40 GMT -5
I do think there's merit to the idea that the new GM will want to put his stamp on the team. I could still see a move where Pleks is part of a package to land a bigger body at center. Lecavalier? Right division. Wrong team.  |
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