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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 29, 2012 11:19:30 GMT -5
...Internet winds about negotiations between Dallas and Montreal. Ott and a pick for Eller or Leblanc....
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2012 11:24:08 GMT -5
There's been significant chatter about Montreal being interested in Ott for some time. I don't like giving up two promising wingers/centers for Ott, even if he's one of the types of people we need.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 29, 2012 11:29:03 GMT -5
There's been significant chatter about Montreal being interested in Ott for some time. I don't like giving up two promising wingers/centers for Ott, even if he's one of the types of people we need. Not both Blny either Eller or Leblanc. |
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2012 11:33:25 GMT -5
Sorry, misread that Doc.
If I had to choose, I'd prefer to give up LL. Montreal or not, he's not the skater Eller is.
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Post by sergejean on Jun 29, 2012 11:42:00 GMT -5
I like Steve Ott although he remains a lightweight in the NHL. At 30 y.o though, his decline has already started which is normal for someone playimg this style of hockey. At 3M per year for 2 years, he is cap friendly I guess even though I find him on the expensive end for a 3rd line agitator.
I would prefer keeping Leblanc and Eller. Leblanc is a local kid who brings intensity and can eventually be a key third line contributor while we alredy invested quite a bit on Eller already to let him go for Ott in a one vs one deal...
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Post by jkr on Jun 29, 2012 12:09:28 GMT -5
I like Steve Ott although he remains a lightweight in the NHL. At 30 y.o though, his decline has already started which is normal for someone playimg this style of hockey. At 3M per year for 2 years, he is cap friendly I guess even though I find him on the expensive end for a 3rd line agitator. I would prefer keeping Leblanc and Eller. Leblanc is a local kid who brings intensity and can eventually be a key third line contributor while we alredy invested quite a bit on Eller already to let him go for Ott in a one vs one deal... This. Too much invested in both players to trade them for a 30 year old agitator. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 29, 2012 12:37:45 GMT -5
I like Steve Ott although he remains a lightweight in the NHL. At 30 y.o though, his decline has already started which is normal for someone playimg this style of hockey. At 3M per year for 2 years, he is cap friendly I guess even though I find him on the expensive end for a 3rd line agitator. I would prefer keeping Leblanc and Eller. Leblanc is a local kid who brings intensity and can eventually be a key third line contributor while we alredy invested quite a bit on Eller already to let him go for Ott in a one vs one deal... This. Too much invested in both players to trade them for a 30 year old agitator. ...say Ott and a second for Eller? |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 29, 2012 12:41:31 GMT -5
...Internet winds about negotiations between Dallas and Montreal. Ott and a pick for Eller or Leblanc.... Pass on Eller. Habs short on depth down the middle this year. If pick is first rounder Leblanc I may...Ott be done by time Leblanc hits his prime but we'll get 2-3 years out of Ott and the first is in fanastic draft |
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2012 12:41:39 GMT -5
Dallas is in something of a rebuild mode. There's potential for that second to be a high second. IF, and I'm still hesitant, the pick were a 2013, I'd consider it.
If I had to pick between the two Habs, I'd be more apt to do a deal centered around LL.
LL and a 5th for Ott and a 2nd. Both picks in 2013. If they really want Eller, I'm looking for a first.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 29, 2012 12:45:50 GMT -5
I'd want a first for Leblanc too. And definitely for Eller, who actually scored more goals than Ott did last year, and was only 11 points off his total point totals. Granted, Eller isn't the agitator that Ott is, but he's also like six years younger and $2 million cheaper. And not likely to bolt as a UFA in two years.
Leblanc is a recent first round pick who's career trajectory is right where it should be. I expect about 10-12 goals next year in an ever-increasing role, and that he should settle in, at a minimum, as a good third liner who can chip in 15-20 goals for the next decade. Not worth it for a 4th liner agitator, in my opinion.
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Post by jkr on Jun 29, 2012 12:52:01 GMT -5
I think people are playing connect the dots. Gainey is in Dallas now so a deal is going to happen.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 29, 2012 13:05:38 GMT -5
Bergevin will not trade LL. Trading a local boy first round pick as one of his first move? He'd get hung.
I'm not a big fan of Eller, I see a lot of Ian Bulis in him. If a team is ready to give good assets right now for him i'd be all for it.
...but simply signing Moen appears less complicated than doing a trade for Ott.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5
I think people are playing connect the dots. Gainey is in Dallas now so a deal is going to happen. Maybe he'll take Gomer? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2012 13:11:01 GMT -5
I guess Dallas wants to replace Gainey's number-one whipping boy, Mike Ribeiro, right away. I simply wouldn't entertain moving Eller unless the package was outstanding and clearly in our favour.
Having said that, Gainey has an intimate knowledge of the Habs roster. He knows what we have and what the talent levels are, and it would be almost certain that we'd get hosed if that deal went down. After all, he knows Ellers' talent level and potential very well.
But, just to piss off Gainey (or give him a good laugh) I'd ask about Jamie Benn. It would take more than Eller, sure, but if you're talking about Eller, then let's talk about Benn.
That might put an end to Gainey's offers. If you don't want to talk about Benn, then talk to another club.
Cheers.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 29, 2012 13:26:34 GMT -5
I think people are playing connect the dots. Gainey is in Dallas now so a deal is going to happen. Probably jkr. Still there are real good dots to play with: Dallas center line is really poor. As Dis outlined Gainey knows our roster intimately and has probably been involved in both Eller's acquisition and Leblanc pick. The Ribs trade is a clear sign of a rebuilding phase so a young center with upsides is appealing. Both Eller and LL have this 2-way feel about them that fits Dallas ways. Montreal roster appears somewhat jammed at center with a lot of similar players. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2012 14:01:18 GMT -5
Eller will cost them a first choice in 2013. (our chance to get McKinnon  . |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 29, 2012 14:09:28 GMT -5
Maybe Gomez in the deal? Stars need to reach cap floor I'd imagine. Gainey traded for him before
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 14:40:31 GMT -5
Eller's getting his game together. This trade would make no sense to me.
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 29, 2012 15:27:28 GMT -5
I would not sacrifice Eller or Leblanc for Ott.
I'd offer up one of our 3 second round picks for Ott, maybe throw in Weber but thats about as high as i'd go.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 29, 2012 18:21:21 GMT -5
Keep the youth, they get better with age and last longer.
Guys over 30 are like Gomez, they get worse with age. OK, Gomer is an extreme example, but if we send Gomez to Hamilton, how do we replace his 2 goal production last year?
No interest in Ott.
Interest in Latendresse.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 29, 2012 20:03:04 GMT -5
Eller and a first for next year then yes otherwise no way.
Ott is on the decline and we are 2-3 yrs away at best....barring some spectacular wheeling and dealing.
HFTO
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