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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 9, 2012 11:09:21 GMT -5
Internet winds has Semin close to a deal with the Pens...
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Post by jkr on Jul 9, 2012 12:01:34 GMT -5
I've read this too from undocumented tweets & blogs. Apparently he wants 5 million plus & Pitt is ready to offer him a 4 year deal. He is also according to these "sources" not interested in playing in the KHL.
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2012 13:01:13 GMT -5
There was some buzz about Detroit too, with confirmed reports that Holland had at the very least spoken with him/his agent. Multi year deals with this guy scare me.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 9, 2012 15:27:48 GMT -5
...Semin really suffocated under the new "defense only" mentality that has prevailed in Washington for the last 2 years. The guy can definitely bounce back in Pittsburgh or Detroit.
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Suffocated, or a victim of bagging it? Not sure. There's no doubt the Caps weapons have struggled. He does have a reputation though. No doubt he's got size to protect the puck, excellent skating, and a wrister as good as Ovechkin's.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 9, 2012 19:33:43 GMT -5
On Sportsnet tonight (Primetime Sports) Bob McCown was interviewing Jim Rutherford; GM for Carolina.
Bob asked him about the rumours that the Hurricanes are actively pursuing Semin. Rutherford confirmed they were, but he isnt willing to offer more than a one-year deal to see what they got. Rutherford hinted that Semin's camp want a multi-year dea.
... I'm not sure anyone wants to offer him more than 2 years.
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2012 20:00:17 GMT -5
Rutherford confirms what people already know: Semin has baggage and teams want to know what they're going to get before making a huge commitment. If I were a team seriously interested I'd offer one year, maybe two. I'd also tell him if he shows up, plays hard, and has success that an extension worth more would be on the table whenever he wanted to sign it. It likely isn't something he's interested in, but I'm sure it's the angle some teams are playing.
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Post by franko on Jul 9, 2012 20:58:28 GMT -5
here-in lies the problem with the NHL and guaranteed contracts. there needs to be an escape clause [other than buy-outs] so that a team can sign someone and when they discover the guy is merely signing his pay cheques [not that we know anyone that isn't earning his $7,357,143 salary cap number] they can let him go.
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2012 21:23:21 GMT -5
I don't think the NHLPA will over go for non-guaranteed contracts. But, what if the league came to them and said we'll do something like what they do in the NFL.
A - entry level deal: Fully guaranteed
B - RFA contracts: 75% guaranteed
C - UFA contracts: 50% guaranteed
Hypothetically, if that were to come to pass, you'd then have to agree to whether the full value of the contract counted against the cap, or only the guaranteed part should you decide to release the player.
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Post by franko on Jul 10, 2012 6:13:58 GMT -5
I don't think the PA would go for it either -- I can hear them: "That's what the buy-out is for".
The cap issue might be a big one, too -- GMs could front load the contract knowing that the cap hit wouldn't be so bad if they let the player go the last couple of years [8-7+6+1+1+1 = a 4M hit; let the player go after the third year, or renegotiate -- how could you back up the hit to the first 3 years?]
ah, fun and games.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 10, 2012 8:27:41 GMT -5
I think that if you are going to have non-guaranteed contracts then you have to make it non-guaranteed from a player's standpoint too. Otherwise it's just patently unfair. "We'll give you this contract, unless it doesn't work for us in which case we'll renege on it, but if it doesn't work for you, well too bad!"
It works both ways. For every Gomez there is a PK Subban, who was woefully underpaid last year, and who we all knew was going to be woefully underpaid once it became clear that Markov wasn't going to start the year. Subban became our #1 defenseman for a "paltry" what? $875,000? He should have been making a good $3 million, if not more.
If we go the NFL route then I think we have to be prepared for players sitting out on "valid" contracts and demanding that they be renegotiated, as they do in the NFL all the time. Imagine if Subban had of said "nope, not going to report, redo my contract?" And what would be the "moral" argument against him? "You signed it!" Well, in an non-guaranteed contract world that means nothing, right? If the owners can walk away with no penalty why can't the players?
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Post by blny on Jul 10, 2012 10:17:06 GMT -5
Totally agree BC.
Hearing that The Fan is saying Semin looks to have signed a one year deal in Pittsburgh.
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Post by franko on Jul 10, 2012 10:38:06 GMT -5
I think that if you are going to have non-guaranteed contracts then you have to make it non-guaranteed from a player's standpoint too. Otherwise it's just patently unfair. "We'll give you this contract, unless it doesn't work for us in which case we'll renege on it, but if it doesn't work for you, well too bad!" It works both ways. If the owners can walk away with no penalty why can't the players? totally agree. in my scenario I'd say the player can't walk away because the contract was front-loaded and in reality they were paid in advance for those last years. in a "fair and just" contract -- the $ spread out equally over [or mostly equally] over term then it should be no problem. it'll never happen -- and if it does, the GMs and owners will find a way to screw it up anyway. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 10, 2012 10:44:07 GMT -5
Bring back bonuses ...
Maximum contract is 5 million. You want more? Earn it. Renegoiate the CBA so that bonuses earned over 10 million don't count towards the cap.
Have bench minimum benchmarks placed into the CBA for contracts with bonuses (not all contracts need to have bonuses).
If you scored 20 goals, you get 1 million added to your base. (Hey you just signed a potential 14 million dollar contract, 20 goals is expected)
You play 50 games, you get 1 million added to the base. etc
Every player does not need the same bonus structure, cause ever role is different, but taylor it to meet the team's minimum expectations and the player's average promise/potential. If Parise's agent is saying he is good for 25 goals a season ... well I am paying top dollar for that potential, he should have to somewhat live up to it.
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Post by jkr on Jul 26, 2012 20:28:40 GMT -5
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