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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 10, 2012 8:59:17 GMT -5
Paola Boivin of the Arizona Republic: 11 teams have inquired about Shane Doan according to his agent on Friday. The Kings, Rangers, Red Wings and Canadiens are among the teams interested. linkCheers.
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Post by habsburgher on Jul 10, 2012 9:05:44 GMT -5
Paola Boivin of the Arizona Republic: 11 teams have inquired about Shane Doan according to his agent on Friday. The Kings, Rangers, Red Wings and Canadiens are among the teams interested. linkCheers. We are very much in need of a top 6 forward. |
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Post by blny on Jul 10, 2012 9:12:33 GMT -5
Someone posted a blip about this in the UFA thread I believe. Renaud Lavoie broke it yesterday that the habs were making inquiries. I'll echo my comments here.
He'd be a great fit. Despite his age, his incredibly durable. Of course, coming here he'd likely get hurt for the first time in his career.
While the Habs may want him, I'm not sure he's gonna want the Habs. If Phoenix is indeed out for him, he's going to want to stay close. LA and Dallas are the obvious choices. Of the two, the Kings give him the best shot at a Cup. If playing with Ray Whitney is important, then it's Dallas.
He's coming off a 5 year, $4.55 million per year deal. He'll likely consider the same money from teams closer to his family. We'd likely have to start at $5 million per to get him. Given his track record, health, leadership and attitude, I'd be comfortable with a 3 year $15 million deal. $4 million would be better though.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 10, 2012 10:46:40 GMT -5
Paola Boivin of the Arizona Republic: 11 teams have inquired about Shane Doan according to his agent on Friday. The Kings, Rangers, Red Wings and Canadiens are among the teams interested. linkCheers. Doan's agent said this report was incorrect on Bob McCown's show ... since this report the list of team's that inquired has grown to 16. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 13, 2012 8:23:07 GMT -5
...Doan has to be the most overrated player of this UFA crop... He's had some good years, but has struggled to hit the 20 goal mark for the last 3 years... Maybe he's the nicest guy in the world but a multi-year deal at 5MM per, for a player turning 36 who's clearly on the decline? No thanks. That is precisely the kind of deals I hope we no longer fall for.
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Post by jkr on Jul 13, 2012 8:46:34 GMT -5
...Doan has to be the most overrated player of this UFA crop... He's had some good years, but has struggled to hit the 20 goal mark for the last 3 years... Maybe he's the nicest guy in the world but a multi-year deal at 5MM per, for a player turning 36 who's clearly on the decline? No thanks. That is precisely the kind of deals I hope we no longer fall for. Agreed. This isn't the type of player they need right now at this stage. They aren't a playoff team that needs a gritty forward to help them through multiple playoff series. They should be thinking of ways to rid themselves of cumbersome deals (Gomez) rather than adding to the list. |
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Post by blny on Jul 13, 2012 13:19:49 GMT -5
I don't think Doan would be a boat anchor signing. He'd provide something we don't have in the system and round out the second line. In Phoenix he was a primary focus for the opposition, imo. In Montreal, he won't be. He'll be part of an ensemble.
Remember, Ottawa went from 5th worst league-wide, to the playoffs and a hard fought loss to the Rags in round one. Look at the two rosters, and tell me Ottawa is deeper. Ottawa rode a hot start, better than expected goaltending, and a career year from Karlsson.
Last year was a disaster, but the ability to rebound is there. IMO, the turmoil is gone. Moves that should have been made a year ago to address toughness have been made. A good start, some confidence, and the Habs are in as easy as they are out. That's without rounding out the top six. Round out the top six, and they can easily battle Boston for the division.
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Post by franko on Jul 13, 2012 14:04:47 GMT -5
why? my constant question.
Price would have be be Halakian ;D in order for us to be Cup-bound . . .but we still don't have the horses. maybe we win a round or two, or maybe we don't. next year is a a re-building year. I don't care where we wind up [well, I do] as long as we're competitive and the boys play hard. so doa is wasted next year.
the year after? that'st he year of the move, but won't there be someone "better" than him -- or at least as good -- available? [too lazy to look for sure].
year 3 -- that's Cup year and the beginning of a 3-year Cup ownership imo [hey, I can dream, can't I?].
realistically, Doan is wasted here this year, as would Jagr have been, and would Semin be [Parise? no, because of term].
Does Bobby Ryan make us better long term? And what would we have to give up for him?
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Post by blny on Jul 13, 2012 18:51:39 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 13, 2012 19:34:43 GMT -5
...Doan has to be the most overrated player of this UFA crop... He's had some good years, but has struggled to hit the 20 goal mark for the last 3 years... Maybe he's the nicest guy in the world but a multi-year deal at 5MM per, for a player turning 36 who's clearly on the decline? No thanks. That is precisely the kind of deals I hope we no longer fall for. Agree 200% I don't like it when alayers goal production is less than his age. |
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Post by sergejean on Jul 14, 2012 11:32:55 GMT -5
...Doan has to be the most overrated player of this UFA crop... He's had some good years, but has struggled to hit the 20 goal mark for the last 3 years... Maybe he's the nicest guy in the world but a multi-year deal at 5MM per, for a player turning 36 who's clearly on the decline? No thanks. That is precisely the kind of deals I hope we no longer fall for. Exactly! Not saying he wouldn't be useful but we're far from being a Cup contender and adding Doan at this point of his career is more like the cherry on top rather than the building block the Habs should be looking for. |
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 24, 2012 15:29:35 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 24, 2012 15:44:57 GMT -5
I heard on the radio, FOX Sports 1410, that Doan was meeting with the Rangers today. The Blue Shirts have lots of cap space remaining. Off topic, but ... like ... is Sather really that good at finding suckers to trade with? I'd take Doan, sure. But, I wouldn't be opening the vault to bring him on board. Kind of reminds me of a healthy Ryan Smyth. Remember Doan going just before Terry Ryan? I remember reading that the Habs' table deflated when he was picked one spot before they selected. Too bad about Ryan. Had he stayed healthy he would have been a pretty good NHLer. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jul 24, 2012 16:37:19 GMT -5
My interest in Doan remains, so long as the price is right. I'm not willing to pay the reported $7.5 million Eastern teams were apparently going to have to pony up. IMO, at his age and production, he's a $5 million player.
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Post by PTH on Jul 24, 2012 23:05:18 GMT -5
Doan for a 1 or 2 year deal for reasonable money would be a great move, though really, I can't see him choosing a rebuilding team over a contender who can offer an equivalent contract...
I we need to overpay to get him, especially over multiple seasons, forget it...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 24, 2012 23:37:49 GMT -5
Another team will overpay. He seems like a Berg kind of player, but I don't see the Berg chasing him and getting into a bidding war.
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Post by blny on Jul 25, 2012 6:02:05 GMT -5
I don't see a bidding war either. The Rags have money, and can certain throw cash at him. Were I Nash, I would be concerned about the Rangers ability to move the puck and create offense from the defense. They've got a number of quality defensive defenders, but no real puck mover. If they really want to take advantage of getting Nash, I think that's where they SHOULD spend their cap space.
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Post by jkr on Jul 25, 2012 7:59:14 GMT -5
I don't see a bidding war either. The Rags have money, and can certain throw cash at him. Were I Nash, I would be concerned about the Rangers ability to move the puck and create offense from the defense. They've got a number of quality defensive defenders, but no real puck mover. If they really want to take advantage of getting Nash, I think that's where they SHOULD spend their cap space. There are rumors that Dan Boyle is available.... |
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 25, 2012 8:49:15 GMT -5
I'm not really interested in Doan. It's a veteran taking up yet another spot that a kid can challenge for. There's no quick fix to where Montreal sits and Doan certainly isn't it.
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Post by sergejean on Jul 25, 2012 9:17:51 GMT -5
Exactly. Doan has slow down and his productivity will likely continue to drop in the next few years before he retires.
We obviously could use a 20-25 goals and 50-55 points players but at this point, we need it more in 2-3 years than right away (well, not that we couldn't use one now but what I mean is not at the expense of developping one or getting one another fat veteran contract). At this point, it would be wiser to develop one or try to acquire a potential one.
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Post by blny on Jul 25, 2012 10:17:14 GMT -5
I'm still of the opinion that we're not that far removed. Ottawa showed it. Parity is such that teams rebound easier than ever. We were better than a 3rd worst team. Even if we don't add anymore, and subtract Gomer, we won't be 3rd worst again.
What youth is Doan going to get in the way of? Palushaj? Someone like Gallagher is going to need a couple of years in Hamilton to develop into a pro. Doan isn't a long term thing. He's a 2-3 year commitment. If you find yourself in a place where youth is ready, he's easily traded imo.
If there's a cheaper, younger, version of Doan out there I'm all for it. RJ Umberger could be that player. If Columbus is truly in rebuild mode, he's the kind of player they could look to move. Big, mobile, uses his size, and is typically good for 45-55 points. He could get more playing with Pleks. He won't be 31 til the playoffs in 2013. He's got 4 years left on his deal, with a cap hit of $4.6 million.
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Doan/Umberger-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Eller-Moen
Prust-White-Armstrong
I like that group of forwards a lot. I think it has us challenging for the division.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 25, 2012 11:02:45 GMT -5
Good points, blny.
That's not a bad-looking group of forwards at all.
Doan would be a quality addition for the "you never know" factor. He helps us immediately, if at all. Something like 38-year-old Doug Gilmour did in 2001. Not exactly like...but in the same arena...IF he plays to his potential.
At the very least, it would add a bit more reason to keep RDS for the upcoming year. I don't think I could ever again sit through an entire season like last year's. Better things to do.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 25, 2012 15:51:12 GMT -5
I'm still of the opinion that we're not that far removed. Ottawa showed it. Parity is such that teams rebound easier than ever. We were better than a 3rd worst team. Even if we don't add anymore, and subtract Gomer, we won't be 3rd worst again. What youth is Doan going to get in the way of? Palushaj? Someone like Gallagher is going to need a couple of years in Hamilton to develop into a pro. Doan isn't a long term thing. He's a 2-3 year commitment. If you find yourself in a place where youth is ready, he's easily traded imo. If there's a cheaper, younger, version of Doan out there I'm all for it. RJ Umberger could be that player. If Columbus is truly in rebuild mode, he's the kind of player they could look to move. Big, mobile, uses his size, and is typically good for 45-55 points. He could get more playing with Pleks. He won't be 31 til the playoffs in 2013. He's got 4 years left on his deal, with a cap hit of $4.6 million. Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole Doan/Umberger-Plekanec-Gionta Bourque-Eller-Moen Prust-White-Armstrong I like that group of forwards a lot. I think it has us challenging for the division. 27th out of 30 teams and Edmonton is improving. We didn't make many personnel changes on the ice. We aren't that close. Vegas has us at 60 to 1 for the cup. They don't give anything away. Hope Vegas and I are wrong. |
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Post by blny on Jul 25, 2012 16:37:19 GMT -5
Armstrong and Prust address two significant personnel needs. Prust will also allievate Pleks from relentless PK duty. This should keep him fresher. A healthy Gionta, and a rebounding Bourque gives us two things we didn't have last year.
If we look at what we have now, and extrapolate an average, or expected, year:
30 goals: Pacioretty, Cole
25 goals: Plekanec, Gionta
20 goals: Bourque
15 goals: Desharnais, Eller
10 goals: Moen, Armstrong
5 goals: White, Prust
IMO, those are easy targets to reach for all. Adding it up, and you've got 190 goals if they merely hit the level. More if they exceed. Add in a winger for the second line that can put up 25 goals and 50 plust points and you're over 200 goals without even including the defense. It's my opinion that 250 goals is what you need to make the playoffs without significant worry. The average GF for the 8 teams that made it this year was 242. Our GA put us in. It's a lack of production from the second line that kept us out.
We had 212 goals this year. That's without a healthy Gionta and a producing Bourque. That's without Markov and a PP weapon. Brian's 8 goal season in 31 games was 20 less than what he produced in each of his first two years. Rene scored 5 times in 38 games. That's about 7-10 off his half year pace. Call it 30 goals between the two, and were right at the average for the teams that made it, and the goal differential goes from -14 to +12. A big swing.
I think the positive vibes from upstairs are gonna do wonders for the players. I'm hoping Therrien works well with what we have. I definitely thing the players are going to be pumped to get it going. Is the roster a sure thing? Not as it stands. It's one good piece from being in the playoffs though. A healthy Markov feeding Subban one-timers, and maybe we're even better than a sure thing.
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Post by franko on Jul 25, 2012 19:48:56 GMT -5
I figure a PP that improves a bit adds 15 goals
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Post by seventeen on Jul 25, 2012 20:03:12 GMT -5
I think we were one of the best eastern Conference last place teams there's every been. A lot of things went wrong. A lot of games were lost by one goal. That's why I'm convinced we'll make the playoffs if Therrien is even average. There's much better chemistry than there ever was. We had no one who could fight last year until Staubitz arrived. With Prust, backed up by Moen, White and the Cube, it's at least a team that won't be intimidated. The big question is that 6th player on the second line. We get improvement there and we're in like Flynn. The biggest risk we face is injuries, but the tougher we are to play against, the fewer injuries we'll take.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 26, 2012 12:20:01 GMT -5
Armstrong and Prust address two significant personnel needs. Prust will also allievate Pleks from relentless PK duty. This should keep him fresher. A healthy Gionta, and a rebounding Bourque gives us two things we didn't have last year. If we look at what we have now, and extrapolate an average, or expected, year: 30 goals: Pacioretty, Cole 25 goals: Plekanec, Gionta 20 goals: Bourque 15 goals: Desharnais, Eller 10 goals: Moen, Armstrong 5 goals: White, Prust IMO, those are easy targets to reach for all. Adding it up, and you've got 190 goals if they merely hit the level. More if they exceed. Add in a winger for the second line that can put up 25 goals and 50 plust points and you're over 200 goals without even including the defense. It's my opinion that 250 goals is what you need to make the playoffs without significant worry. The average GF for the 8 teams that made it this year was 242. Our GA put us in. It's a lack of production from the second line that kept us out. We had 212 goals this year. That's without a healthy Gionta and a producing Bourque. That's without Markov and a PP weapon. Brian's 8 goal season in 31 games was 20 less than what he produced in each of his first two years. Rene scored 5 times in 38 games. That's about 7-10 off his half year pace. Call it 30 goals between the two, and were right at the average for the teams that made it, and the goal differential goes from -14 to +12. A big swing. I think the positive vibes from upstairs are gonna do wonders for the players. I'm hoping Therrien works well with what we have. I definitely thing the players are going to be pumped to get it going. Is the roster a sure thing? Not as it stands. It's one good piece from being in the playoffs though. A healthy Markov feeding Subban one-timers, and maybe we're even better than a sure thing. What you call "expected or average" for some of those guys ... I call career years. Max Pacioretty hits 30 goals in his first full season and now its "expected"; is 30 goals really and average season for him? Eric Cole had a career year last year at the age of 33. It would be surprising to say the least that he will continue on an upward climb. His average season is closer to 25 goals. I'll be ecstatic if he stays healthy and chips in 20+. Plekanec has only ever hit the 25 goal mark twice in his 7 year career. Average and expected for him would be 20 goals. Gionta is another one of those guys you hope stays healthy. We all expect 20-25 goals, but half his seasons have ended with fewer than 62 games. In those injury shortened seasons he averages about 15 goals ... but a healthy Gionta should get us those 25 goals. I still say we need more offense ... banking on career years and health from some of our top end players is not how I want to enter this season |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 26, 2012 13:26:28 GMT -5
What you call "expected or average" for some of those guys ... I call career years. Max Pacioretty hits 30 goals in his first full season and now its "expected"; is 30 goals really and average season for him? I 'expect' 40 goals from Patches. The rest are valid points, but I don't think 30 goals from Cole is asking too much. |
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Post by blny on Jul 26, 2012 16:01:24 GMT -5
Armstrong and Prust address two significant personnel needs. Prust will also allievate Pleks from relentless PK duty. This should keep him fresher. A healthy Gionta, and a rebounding Bourque gives us two things we didn't have last year. If we look at what we have now, and extrapolate an average, or expected, year: 30 goals: Pacioretty, Cole 25 goals: Plekanec, Gionta 20 goals: Bourque 15 goals: Desharnais, Eller 10 goals: Moen, Armstrong 5 goals: White, Prust IMO, those are easy targets to reach for all. Adding it up, and you've got 190 goals if they merely hit the level. More if they exceed. Add in a winger for the second line that can put up 25 goals and 50 plust points and you're over 200 goals without even including the defense. It's my opinion that 250 goals is what you need to make the playoffs without significant worry. The average GF for the 8 teams that made it this year was 242. Our GA put us in. It's a lack of production from the second line that kept us out. We had 212 goals this year. That's without a healthy Gionta and a producing Bourque. That's without Markov and a PP weapon. Brian's 8 goal season in 31 games was 20 less than what he produced in each of his first two years. Rene scored 5 times in 38 games. That's about 7-10 off his half year pace. Call it 30 goals between the two, and were right at the average for the teams that made it, and the goal differential goes from -14 to +12. A big swing. I think the positive vibes from upstairs are gonna do wonders for the players. I'm hoping Therrien works well with what we have. I definitely thing the players are going to be pumped to get it going. Is the roster a sure thing? Not as it stands. It's one good piece from being in the playoffs though. A healthy Markov feeding Subban one-timers, and maybe we're even better than a sure thing. What you call "expected or average" for some of those guys ... I call career years. Max Pacioretty hits 30 goals in his first full season and now its "expected"; is 30 goals really and average season for him? Eric Cole had a career year last year at the age of 33. It would be surprising to say the least that he will continue on an upward climb. His average season is closer to 25 goals. I'll be ecstatic if he stays healthy and chips in 20+. Plekanec has only ever hit the 25 goal mark twice in his 7 year career. Average and expected for him would be 20 goals. Gionta is another one of those guys you hope stays healthy. We all expect 20-25 goals, but half his seasons have ended with fewer than 62 games. In those injury shortened seasons he averages about 15 goals ... but a healthy Gionta should get us those 25 goals. I still say we need more offense ... banking on career years and health from some of our top end players is not how I want to enter this season 30 goals IS the expectation for Max. He set the bar himself. Personally, I think he's got more in him. Yes, he's got a limited body of work, but this is the player he projects to be and what is expected. Cole has had 30 before. He's had 26 and 29 as well. I see no reason to think 30 isn't attainable. Throw away Plekanecs first season where he wasn't getting the ice time to score, and his average is more than 22. That includes the 17 goal season last year. His two best were 29 and 25. With a complete line, I see no reason he can't hit 25. Breaking 20 without question, and it's why I have him at 25. Gionta had 28 goals in 61 games in his first season in Montreal. 29 the next. Throw out the anomoly of last year and the year with 45 goals, and he slots into that 25 goal player I mentioned. Health is the only factor that will get in the way of what I think are attainable expectations. No outlandish predictions. |
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Post by blny on Jul 27, 2012 16:06:56 GMT -5
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