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Post by duster on Jul 19, 2012 1:24:10 GMT -5
As per TSN. Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with Philadelphia. Term is 14 years, upwards of $100 mil. Nashville has 7 days to match.
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2012 4:42:59 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Jul 19, 2012 6:03:33 GMT -5
this might even make sense if Philly could get hold of a decent GOALTENDER!!!
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 19, 2012 6:38:22 GMT -5
I hope someone gives Giroux an offer sheet if the opportunity arises.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 19, 2012 7:30:44 GMT -5
And Donald Fehr just chuckles.
Heard on the radio this morning that the "catch" in the deal is that it is structured in such a way that Weber could get up to $26 million next year alone, and that's how they are planning on forcing Nashville to let him go. Also, that Nashville had a bunch of teams -including Philadelphia, Detroit, and San Jose - negotiating a sign and trade deal, but Holmgren got tired of waiting and decided to force Poile's hand.
Good times.
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Post by jkr on Jul 19, 2012 8:01:01 GMT -5
If Poile was ready to match on Suter for similar money then he should go ahead & match on this. Weber is the better player IMO.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 19, 2012 8:24:57 GMT -5
this might even make sense if Philly could get hold of a decent GOALTENDER!!! If Holmgren didn't have Bryzgalov in his stable I dare say he would have gone after Price in the same way he did with Weber. Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 19, 2012 8:54:16 GMT -5
...it's just unbelievable... GMs throwing these insane deals out there right when the NHL is trying to negotiate a limit on contract lenght...  ...wonder if that contract will be invalidated by the NHL... |
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Post by sergejean on Jul 19, 2012 9:34:34 GMT -5
A franchise defenseman signed to a cap friendly price for many years in exchange of 4 1st rounder... As much as I am one to place a really high value on draft picks and as much as I would be nervous with such a long term contract, I would have to consider this signing. Bold move by Philly to grab Nashville by the b...
To become and remain a top tier team inthe NHL, you have to take some calculated risk. Holmgren obviously understands that...
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 19, 2012 9:48:47 GMT -5
I wonder if this would be a viable solution for the Predators... they can’t lose Weber and hope to remain a competitive team and viable franchise, so they must know this could be the death-knell for them. So what if they match the offer, knowing full-well that they can’t come up with the $26 million this season, and then default on Weber’s paycheck? Weber would then either have to agree to defer his paycheck like Mario Lemieux did (way back when), sue the Predators for back-pay, or sit out until he gets his money. If it becomes a legal and public relations mess the NHL might step in and front the Predators the money, to save face.
Or the Predators could just hope for a lockout, in which case Weber won’t make any of his money.
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Post by halihab on Jul 19, 2012 10:53:36 GMT -5
...it's just unbelievable... GMs throwing these insane deals out there right when the NHL is trying to negotiate a limit on contract lenght... ...wonder if that contract will be invalidated by the NHL... I agree with what you are saying Doc. If the NHL rejected it they would also have to throw out Parise and Suter's contracts. I actually think this is a ploy by Nashville to get Weber under contract before the new CBA. It would be in Weber's best interest to sign a long term deal now. There probably will be no more 10-14 year contracts in the future. Maybe contract extension talks have stalled and this is a way to force his hand. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 19, 2012 11:13:12 GMT -5
How is this not circumventing the cap? He'll be 42 in the last year of his contract and almost half is paid out in the first four years?
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Post by halihab on Jul 19, 2012 11:23:00 GMT -5
How is this not circumventing the cap? He'll be 42 in the last year of his contract and almost half is paid out in the first four years? That is why there won't be any more contracts like this after the new CBA. This is one of the few times I totally agree with Brian Burke. It will definitely be on the table during the negotiations. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 19, 2012 11:34:46 GMT -5
With 5 year max contracts it is going to make trade deadline and free agent frenzy more exciting since theorethically there are going to be more stars available and not locked up until 2026...
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 19, 2012 12:20:16 GMT -5
I fully expect Nashville to match and basically keep their payroll at a bare minimum for the next 4 years to absorb the salary hit. Careful what you wish for, Shea. Could have and would have had the money anyway, but this way you might be saddled on a mediocre-at-best team for the next 5 years.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 19, 2012 20:01:55 GMT -5
I know a competent GM has to be always mindful of offer sheets....but I don't like that part of the CBA.
Aren't there enough opportunities for greed without including a gun to the head? You work diligently for years to build a team....and poof! A star ingredient you developed is gone...or his new contract (an amount you had to match) hampers your team (as RS points out above).
If you don't match, you have the cap space...but who's available to even adequately replace Weber? Not those draft picks...
So much for the fans.
I guess my basic point is that I don't think another GM should be allowed to force such an issue. Let it play out like it usually does. Negotiate a new contract....if he walks...he's up for grabs. At least that would keep the decision solely in the hands of the current GM.
An offer sheet is basically legal tampering, IMO.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jul 19, 2012 20:07:02 GMT -5
If Holmgren didn't have Bryzgalov in his stable I dare say he would have gone after Price in the same way he did with Weber. Good point Dis. MB was smart to keep Price away from the hounds by "taking him to arbitration". Weber's one of the best dman in the league, but this contract offer is just ridiculous. No wonder Bettman needed a cap in the last CBA. The owners need something in place to protect them from themselves. |
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2012 20:39:01 GMT -5
There are ways to avoid other teams pouching your players. Filing for arbitration is one. Not letting your players get to UFA status before being signed or traded.
IMO, if you've got a player who's scheduled to become UFA in 2013 NOW is the time to sort it out. If the player and his agent waiver in the least, you make a move. It's not about ultimatums. It's about signing the player, or trading him.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 19, 2012 21:27:37 GMT -5
I personally don't mind the RFA offer sheet route....It just needs limits....like 5 year max contracts and no bonus money, equal annual cap hit/payout. So if Philly wants to pay 70 million over 5 years than so be it. (14 mil per year)
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 20, 2012 9:27:27 GMT -5
There are ways to avoid other teams pouching your players. Filing for arbitration is one. Not letting your players get to UFA status before being signed or traded. IMO, if you've got a player who's scheduled to become UFA in 2013 NOW is the time to sort it out. If the player and his agent waiver in the least, you make a move. It's not about ultimatums. It's about signing the player, or trading him. Apparently the Weber camp approached Poile last year and offered to sign a three year, $21 million contract, which Poile refused to do. And let's not forget that it was the Predators who took Weber to arbitration last year, and tried to low-ball him with a $4.75 million offer. He was eventually award $7.5 million. So it's not like Nashville's hands are clean in all this. They played chicken with one of the best defensemen in the NHL, and lost, whether they retain his services or not. I can't see how Nashville cannot match this offer. It would just be too devastating to them as a franchise if they don't. They have to come up with the money somehow, if not on their own, then with the help of the NHL. Otherwise their very future is in doubt, in my opinion. Having said that, Darren Dreger floated an interesting idea yesterday. He said that the Predators could refuse to match the offer, take the four first round picks, and then trade them back to Philadelphia as part of the on-going trade talks they have already had with them. Remember, according to the rumours, Holmgren was trying to trade for Weber, but Poile was being too stubborn. So they can always go back to those trade talks, and use the picks instead. Like trade one of the first rounders for Matt Read, another one for Andrej Meszaros and something else, and so on. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 20, 2012 9:35:47 GMT -5
It works both ways. Philly has Giroux, B. Schenn, Simmonds & Coutourier(sp) all becoming RFA in the next two years.
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Post by blny on Jul 20, 2012 10:09:33 GMT -5
If I'm Poile, I match. He has to. Then, if Giroux hits the market as an RFA, throw a contract at him. Rinne, Weber, Giroux. A strong nucleus.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 20, 2012 10:33:00 GMT -5
That only works if;
a) you have the money
b) the Flyers don't
And that's assuming the rules of the new CBA stay the same.
I think the Flyers set themselves up well here. They may not get Weber, but I don't think they are hurting themselves in the long run either way.
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Post by blny on Jul 20, 2012 10:39:12 GMT -5
Even if the Flyers have it, you thumb your nose at them a little. The money is there in Nashville to have three pricey players. The rest of the roster might be a bit thin. The real caveat is whether Giroux would actually sign the offer sheet.
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Post by jkr on Jul 20, 2012 13:03:49 GMT -5
Even if the Flyers have it, you thumb your nose at them a little. The money is there in Nashville to have three pricey players. The rest of the roster might be a bit thin. The real caveat is whether Giroux would actually sign the offer sheet. Agreed. Sometimes it's done out of spite. A couple of years ago Vancouver signed Backes to an offer sheer (matched by the Blues) so the Blue sturned around & signed Bernier to an offer sheet, matched by Vancouver. Philly was in on Suter & lost out & will probably lose this one. Pronger is not coming back any time soon & they lost Carle as a UFA. I wouldn't be surprised if Philly tries this again like Subban or John Carlson. |
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Post by blny on Jul 20, 2012 13:26:30 GMT -5
Can a club have more than one offer sheet out at a time? Or, would Philly have to wait until this one is resolved before making another?
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 24, 2012 15:05:50 GMT -5
Looks like Nashville matches the offer. Good for them but looks like they've handcuffed themselves for the foreseeable future. www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=401354 |
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