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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 20:12:45 GMT -5
I'm still fuming about that game. The officiating was definitely one-sided, but I really don't think it was smart of either Sinclair or Tancredi to reveal to the media what they said to the referee.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 8, 2012 23:53:26 GMT -5
I didn't hear anything about what Sinclair and Tancredi said to the ref and disclosed to the media. Another factor we don't know is whether any of the Canadian players said anything to the ref earlier in the game. I've seen that happen many times and if the ref is an egocentric idiot, they always get you back.
I actually didn't dispute the handball call. I've seen that called a handball many times. If the player keeps their hands in on their body and the ball hits their hands, the ref is likely to let it go. If your arms are way up in the air, apart from your body, it's considered a foul. Also, I think it was #8 on Canada, who ran in from the 10 yard separation line well before the ball was kicked. Lots of things went wrong on that play, but the killer was that there should never have been a free kick awarded for McNeill holding onto the ball more than 6 seconds. As long as the goalie isn't obviously diddling the clock away, it's let go. Even if the ref is annoyed, they always give a warning first and then beware, which is fair enough. Nope, Pederson just wasn't very good from the get go. If I added them up, I'd probably have included around 10 whistles at least to that game from obvious fouls that she let go. As in hockey, when the reffing is inconsistent, the players have no clue how to play. Missing the handball on Rapinoe and then calling McNeill, were simply two horrible mistakes.
The last World Cup in 2010, there were many games with terrible officiating. FIFA, I think, tried to ensure refs from many countries were given the opportunity to officiate a World Cup game. At that level, though, so many were in well over their heads and couldn't keep up to the speed of the game, resulting in some really terrible calls. Someone needs to stick their politics where the sun doesn't shine and simply pick the best refs, even if they're all from just a few countries. I don't particularly care if the ref for a woman's game is a man or vice versa. Just get someone who can do the job. I feel so badly for the Canadian girls who worked so hard for so long, to get shafted as they did, by the 'establishment'.
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 9, 2012 9:12:06 GMT -5
Outplayed, except for our defense, for the vast majority of the game today...but a last minute goal by Matheson seals (or steals) the bronze. More than deserved consolation for Canada's women.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 9, 2012 9:23:52 GMT -5
No one is talking about the first USA goal ... that one upset me too. That good ol Newf, Susselman was pushed into the net by the American, taking the goalie completely out of the play. Is there no interference in soccer?
I also note, that not many of the the media, are mentioning that Amy Wambuaugh (is that her name?) was in the ref's ear counting the seconds as the Canadian goalie held the ball ... in any other sport, an unsportsmalike like penalty would have been called. If I am the ref, I'd have handed out a double yellow card. One to Wambaugh, the other to the Canadian goalie (I counted over 10 Mississippis on the replay, from the time she caught it, got up and eventually bounced the ball).
I hate the Olympics ... always have. They are too politicized. Add to that, that I considered anything judged to be an "event" and not a sport and it adds to my fury. I realize that many of the events - gymnastics, boxing, diving, etc ... all take an extreme amount of athleticism, but IMO, they are events, (I'll refrain from saying "staged events"), ... some taking place at such a high speed that I wonder how judges can even tell the difference in person A and person B ... unless there is an obvious discretion, nine times out of ten, the Olympic judges will award high marks to the favourites and give a host nation athlete a chance at a medal where possible....
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Post by jkr on Aug 9, 2012 10:42:12 GMT -5
No one is talking about the first USA goal ... that one upset me too. That good ol Newf, Susselman was pushed into the net by the American, taking the goalie completely out of the play. Is there no interference in soccer? .... I have started to watch the EPL again over the last couple of years & have seen goals called back for that kind of contact, usually with no argument from the scoring team. Just an awful perfromance by the referee from the start.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 9, 2012 12:32:54 GMT -5
Outplayed, except for our defense, for the vast majority of the game today...but a last minute goal by Matheson seals (or steals) the bronze. More than deserved consolation for Canada's women. Canada had some luck today, but nowhere near the amount of luck the USA had when their semi-final was handed to them on a plate. How many shots did Canada have? One? And it went in? I'll take a lucky bronze over a tainted gold any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Great game by France. They deserved a better fate, but it was good seeing luck go our way for a change. Next up for me is Usain Bolt. I was listening to Fox Sports 1410 this morning and they said his initial 40-yard time when he broke the world record was 3.8 seconds. Heck, I remember when a 4.4 40 was a good time. Just watching him trot into the final was surreal. The guy is a specimen. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 9, 2012 16:50:12 GMT -5
Americans win the gold ... With more help from the refs. Funny how their defender can make a Fuhr-like glove hand wave save at the ball, and it's called incidental ....  .... But in the USA, it's all about winning, and not apologizing for doing everything and anything to meet that goal |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 9, 2012 17:22:17 GMT -5
Americans win the gold ... With more help from the refs. Funny how their defender can make a Fuhr-like glove hand wave save at the ball, and it's called incidental .... Are you serious, dude? I'm hoping to catch that on a highlight. Doesn't surprise me, though. Ever see a bronze medalist do a commercial in the USA? Anything less that gold is unacceptable to American athletes. I respect that, but at the same time it's unfortunate that for many of their athletes, anything less that gold costs them recognition ... or certainly the recognition they deserve anyway. Cheers. Edit: That was more of a flagrant foul than the one they awarded the Americans in the semis ... cripes! |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 9, 2012 22:00:17 GMT -5
Americans win the gold ... With more help from the refs. Funny how their defender can make a Fuhr-like glove hand wave save at the ball, and it's called incidental .... Are you serious, dude? I'm hoping to catch that on a highlight. Doesn't surprise me, though. Ever see a bronze medalist do a commercial in the USA? Anything less that gold is unacceptable to American athletes. I respect that, but at the same time it's unfortunate that for many of their athletes, anything less that gold costs them recognition ... or certainly the recognition they deserve anyway. Cheers. Edit: That was more of a flagrant foul than the one they awarded the Americans in the semis ... cripes! I respect the mentality that you play to win .... But not win at all costs any deny deny deny like Armstrong, Lewis, Jones. (and yes Ben Johnson, but he somehow handled it different) This American women's soccer team think the way they won was just and fair... I'd have more respect for them if they said "we were outplayed and caught a break on a tough call you rarely see, that's sports sometimes" .... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 9, 2012 23:12:43 GMT -5
..."we were outplayed and caught a break on a tough call you rarely see, that's sports sometimes" .... This is pretty much how the Canadian players and the Canadian media summed up the bronze medal win. Cheers. |
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.... But in the USA, it's all about winning, and not apologizing for doing everything and anything to meet that goal