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Post by duster on Jan 23, 2013 18:10:49 GMT -5
Didn't see this posted anywhere.
According to several sources he's asked for a trade. Former #1 pick taken 5th overall in 2010. Big, tough and skilled. He had a horrible year last season but seems to have taken advantage of the lockout to improve his game. He'd look good with a skilled centre like Pleks.
Not sure what the Isles would want back.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2013 18:33:43 GMT -5
Depends. What's the knock against him?
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2013 18:59:18 GMT -5
Never good to hear that a player is asking for a trade during their entry level deal. You'd think the Islanders would be an ideal situation for him. He's big, fast, and has shown offensive ability at lower levels. www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/nino_niederreiter/He spent 55 games on the 4th line last year on LI. This year, on the farm, he's nearly a point a game. He's only just turned 20 at the end of the summer. I see him as a Pacioretty type for sure. He wouldn't come cheap. I'd imagine the Isles would start the conversation with Subban, but considering he's a more established NHLer, they'd have to anti up more with NN to get him. If the deal was Nino and Griffin Reinhart, I'd consider offering Subban up with a pick of some sort in 2014. If they want a pick this year, they have to take some salary back with PK. Griffin won't be an offensive dynamo, but having a twin towers set with him and Tinordi is appealing. Don't get me wrong, I wince at the thought of facing Subban several times a year. I'd much rather have him in the lineup. But, I'd consider the deal above. He'd look good finishing off plays with Galchenyuk. |
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Post by habsfanintrailbc on Jan 23, 2013 19:15:18 GMT -5
Like what you said bony, Subban and a pick for Nino and I'd get that done, this kid is a dynamic offensive player.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2013 19:19:46 GMT -5
Have to be more than Nino. He's still unproven at the NHL level.
Speculation on the Islander message board on hf is that he's ticked for 2 reasons. One, he spent a lot of last season in the press box. When he did play, it was on the 4th line. Two, he didn't get invited to camp this year. Reinhart did, and there was little to no chance he was going to make the Isles. Nino is top five in goals scored in the AHL this year apparently. He should have been at camp.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 23, 2013 19:59:50 GMT -5
That info would suggest he has an ego problem. I mean, why wouldn't the Isles invite him to camp if he's a definite building block?
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2013 20:02:17 GMT -5
Considering it's the Isles, I'd be more inclined to think it was the fault of the club.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2013 21:13:33 GMT -5
No way I'd even listen to a deal like that. The Islanders win that one hands-down. There's no way Nino is as much to the Islanders as PK is to the Habs.
Imagine; PK is in LI and then Markov's knee blows out again ... our best defenceman becomes Josh Gorges. Then starts the "we-need-d" stuff again ;D
Can't trade PK.
I thought about what it might take to land Nino, though. I'd offer up a couple of prospects. Throw in an optional flip of first round picks at our discretion. If LI doesn't like the deal we lose nothing either way. Niederreiter was a -29 last year (hockeydb.com).
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Jan 23, 2013 21:22:33 GMT -5
Speculation on the Islander message board on hf is that he's ticked for 2 reasons. One, he spent a lot of last season in the press box. When he did play, it was on the 4th line. Two, he didn't get invited to camp this year. Reinhart did, and there was little to no chance he was going to make the Isles. Nino is top five in goals scored in the AHL this year apparently. He should have been at camp. Isles are trying to teach him a lesson: when he spent most of last season in the PB and the 4th line he publicly said that he was unhappy because he wasn't getting a fair chance/complained about the coach. Keep him in the AHL, yup, that'll learn him. |
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2013 21:27:26 GMT -5
As a 19 year old on a perennial doormat, I'm not worried about his +- stats. He's an elite forward prospect. But a prospect he still is. I don't think he's far from being an impact player at the NHL level though. His ceiling is easily as high as Subban's imo.
Beaulieu isn't ready yet, but there's a roving offensive blue liner in the system. Ellis too. Reinhart would give us another towering defender. He's got more offensive skill than Tinordi. Perhaps he could peak at Pronger like production, but I don't see it.
There's no doubt it's a trade for the future. But, that's what we're looking at doing anyway.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 23, 2013 23:51:45 GMT -5
Don't know enough about Neiderreiter, but give me him and Hamonic and I'd think about it. Maybe add LI's 2nd rounder this year.
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 24, 2013 8:16:16 GMT -5
Niederreiter is on pace for 50 goals in the AHL this year, and looking at Bridgeport's lineup I can't say it's a stocked one. He's big, physical, and a sniper. I'd call him a slightly meaner Max Pacioretty, which of course is a good thing.
But straight up for Subban? No. Niederreiter and their first for Subban and one of our 2nds? Maybe. And by maybe I mean "probably not".
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 24, 2013 8:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 24, 2013 8:54:31 GMT -5
Never good to hear that a player is asking for a trade during their entry level deal. You'd think the Islanders would be an ideal situation for him. He's big, fast, and has shown offensive ability at lower levels. www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/nino_niederreiter/He spent 55 games on the 4th line last year on LI. This year, on the farm, he's nearly a point a game. He's only just turned 20 at the end of the summer. I see him as a Pacioretty type for sure. He wouldn't come cheap. I'd imagine the Isles would start the conversation with Subban, but considering he's a more established NHLer, they'd have to anti up more with NN to get him. If the deal was Nino and Griffin Reinhart, I'd consider offering Subban up with a pick of some sort in 2014. If they want a pick this year, they have to take some salary back with PK. Griffin won't be an offensive dynamo, but having a twin towers set with him and Tinordi is appealing. Don't get me wrong, I wince at the thought of facing Subban several times a year. I'd much rather have him in the lineup. But, I'd consider the deal above. He'd look good finishing off plays with Galchenyuk. That's too much...Habs be fleeced on that one. Sounds like NN has some issues and Reinhart is over rated in my opinion. If Subban goes get a young stud like Strome or Couturier. If NYI wants Subban demand Strome way ahead of Reinhart. Strome + NN for Subban + Eller? Eller and NN both high picks who could use change of scenery. Although NN is higher value than Eller. Subban has higher value than Strome where he is NHL proven. So, maybe evens out. |
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Post by blny on Jan 24, 2013 9:49:15 GMT -5
Strome is fine. I mentioned Reinhart because it's a blueliner coming back in the deal.
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Post by PTH on Jan 24, 2013 23:57:36 GMT -5
First thing that comes to mind ?
Subban (with perhaps a throw-in 4th rounder or prospect who isn't making it like Geoffrion or ) for Neiderreiter and Isles 2nd, or a flip of 1st round picks, at our discretion on draft day.
Either we get a better first rounder, or we nearly get another first rounder.
This is assuming our scouts like what they see of Niederreiter.
With him, Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Pacioretty (and Eller and Leblanc if they work out), we'd have a decent core of young forwards.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 25, 2013 0:15:48 GMT -5
Along with Tinordi, Beaulieu, Thrower, Dietz and Ellis as guys coming along. Our D has some prospects, our forward lines not so much. Leblanc and maybe Bournival and Holland, but not sure any of those are top 6 material. Collberg is still a couple of seasons away. Kristo? We could use a blue chip forward and by dangling PK, we should be able to get a blue chip forward.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 4, 2013 12:59:00 GMT -5
Daisy for Nono. Straight up. Proven NHL versus high prospect. Only problem is that we don't have that many centers.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 4, 2013 15:33:46 GMT -5
Who is Daisy and can we convince anyone Kaberle is part of a package?
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Post by Cranky on Feb 5, 2013 13:02:04 GMT -5
Who is Daisy and can we convince anyone Kaberle is part of a package? Daisy.....Desharnais. No one will take Kaberle because of his contract. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 7, 2013 8:46:12 GMT -5
Daisy for Nono. Straight up. Proven NHL versus high prospect. Only problem is that we don't have that many centers. I say do it...only may have to add a little(Weber). Then trade a little future for big center. Getzlaf be ideal, but take too much and he is ufa this summer, might as well wait til then. Maybe an Antropov? 50 points, good on faceoffs. |
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