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Post by CentreHice on Feb 26, 2013 12:13:54 GMT -5
I haven't seen the movie....it may be brilliantly done....but I don't think I could sit through it now, knowing the angle they took.
Canadians must be really boring to American audiences, I guess. Wow.
90% of the contribution of ideas and consummation of the plan was Canadian. Ben Affleck's character was in Tehran only 1.5 days. Carter says Ken Taylor is the real hero of the story.
What does Carter know, eh? He was only.....there!
I'm not being nationalistic....I don't care if it was the Chilean government who deserved the lion's share of the credit. I saying don't lie about it.
But when has the truth ever been a pre-requisite for financial success?
"Lincoln" may not be factually correct in all areas, either....but we have people who were involved with the Hostage Crisis still alive today who could've consulted on "Argo". This slight was completely intentional for one reason: to give Americans the credit.
At least Carter gets it right....even when Morgan mentions how "bold" it was for his government to make that move. "Much bolder for the Canadian government..." says Carter.
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Post by franko on Feb 26, 2013 12:29:26 GMT -5
This slight was completely intentional for one reason: to give Americans the credit. watched the movie the other night -- pure propaganda. "Based on a true story" . . . well, the idea of it was but that's about it. a lot of the movie was pure imagination [what do you expect from Hollywood?]. save your money and don't bother - watch the CBC version instead. oh, and NOT Oscar worthy! |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 26, 2013 13:03:28 GMT -5
oh, and NOT Oscar worthy! Then how can it win Best Picture? I don't get it. Unless there was pressure from somewhere to have an American morale-booster score big. I can only imagine the stuff that goes on deep inside that Hollywood machine. |
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Post by franko on Feb 26, 2013 13:48:34 GMT -5
oh, and NOT Oscar worthy! Then how can it win Best Picture? have no idea. lots of actors and movies win that don't deserve it, though. imo, this was a "made for TV drama" at best. acting was "meh", story was "whatever". rah-rah Americanism [sorry, HFLA and BosHab, et al] |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 26, 2013 15:05:12 GMT -5
Then how can it win Best Picture? have no idea. lots of actors and movies win that don't deserve it, though. imo, this was a "made for TV drama" at best. acting was "meh", story was "whatever". rah-rah Americanism [sorry, HFLA and BosHab, et al] There's more than one person who asked how Russell Crowe won best actor for Gladiator. I thought he did good job and the movie was pretty good too. I don't know who he was up against that year (too lazy to look it up). I could read a few reviews on Fargo, but what the movie about in your own words, guys? Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 26, 2013 15:51:37 GMT -5
There's more than one person who asked how Russell Crowe won best actor for Gladiator. I thought he did good job and the movie was pretty good too. I don't know who he was up against that year (too lazy to look it up). I think that year, Gladiator, was more a question of not wanting to give it again to Tom Hanks (Cast Away) and choosing the next guy in line which had to be Crowe... ...karma is a strange thing though because the very next year Crowe came up with what I felt was his very best acting performance (A beautiful mind) and the Academy gave it to Denzel Washington (Training Day) for IMO, what was nothing more than your everyday police action movie performance... Of course Washington himself had struck out twice before with great acting performance in Malcom X and Hurricane. ...in the end, good actors end up Oscarized but not always for the right performance  |
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Post by franko on Feb 26, 2013 17:00:43 GMT -5
I think that Denzel and Halle both won the award for the same reason
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2013 8:35:31 GMT -5
have no idea. lots of actors and movies win that don't deserve it, though. imo, this was a "made for TV drama" at best. acting was "meh", story was "whatever". rah-rah Americanism [sorry, HFLA and BosHab, et al] There's more than one person who asked how Russell Crowe won best actor for Gladiator. I thought he did good job and the movie was pretty good too. I don't know who he was up against that year (too lazy to look it up). I could read a few reviews on Fargo, but what the movie about in your own words, guys? Cheers. I'm biased as I generally love Coen brothers films but Fargo is one of my favorites. It's the story of a guy in over his head financially that stages the kidnapping of his wife in order to get the money he needs from his father-in-law. Things go horribly wrong & the story turns to tragedy. That's just a capsule description but I think you would enjoy it. |
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Post by franko on Feb 27, 2013 9:28:22 GMT -5
There's more than one person who asked how Russell Crowe won best actor for Gladiator. I thought he did good job and the movie was pretty good too. I don't know who he was up against that year (too lazy to look it up). I could read a few reviews on Fargo, but what the movie about in your own words, guys? Cheers. I'm biased as I generally love Coen brothers films but Fargo is one of my favorites. It's the story of a guy in over his head financially that stages the kidnapping of his wife in order to get the money he needs from his father-in-law. Things go horribly wrong & the story turns to tragedy. That's just a capsule description but I think you would enjoy it. it is something worth watching. so is Raising Arizona [loved the lone biker of the apocalypse] |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 27, 2013 10:46:12 GMT -5
I'm biased as I generally love Coen brothers films but Fargo is one of my favorites. It's the story of a guy in over his head financially that stages the kidnapping of his wife in order to get the money he needs from his father-in-law. Things go horribly wrong & the story turns to tragedy. That's just a capsule description but I think you would enjoy it. I loved Fargo as well. Very dark humour. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 27, 2013 12:03:59 GMT -5
Have you ever seen the Coen brothers first film...Blood Simple, 1984?
Linear...but dark as well.
I don't know if Frances McDormand and Joel Coen were an item before shooting...or that's where they met, seeing as the film came out and their marriage occurred in the same year.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 27, 2013 14:34:22 GMT -5
Have you ever seen the Coen brothers first film... Blood Simple, 1984? Linear...but dark as well. I don't know if Frances McDormand and Joel Coen were an item before shooting...or that's where they met, seeing as the film came out and their marriage occurred in the same year. Can't say I did. Only other Coen movie I saw was "No Country for old men" which I also very much enjoyed. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 27, 2013 14:55:21 GMT -5
No Country For Old Men. The hitman character freaked me out. Captive bolt gun. Horrendous.
Blood Simple, for a first movie...excellent, IMO. Worth a look. Keep in mind, it's 1984.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 27, 2013 15:41:33 GMT -5
How about True Grit ?
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2013 15:46:36 GMT -5
Have you ever seen the Coen brothers first film... Blood Simple, 1984? Linear...but dark as well. I don't know if Frances McDormand and Joel Coen were an item before shooting...or that's where they met, seeing as the film came out and their marriage occurred in the same year. I believe that's the film with Gabriel Byrne. I quite like his work too. Enjoyed it a lot. |
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Post by franko on Feb 27, 2013 15:57:50 GMT -5
hated it. back to Argo, Flora MacDonald was interviewed today and said that she was the one who signed the passports/had them ready, and reminded people that Mendez was only in Iran a day and a half and that most of what is portrayed in the movie [especially the airport scene where in reality the group just walked on to the plane without problem] is fluff. of course we knew that already, but it's history, man, it's US history!rah-rah-stinkin'-rah. yah, I should let it go, but the contrived nature of the movie [written up as true rather slightly based on truth] -- complete with the standard last minute/last second escape thrills -- is annoying. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 27, 2013 16:18:24 GMT -5
Have you ever seen the Coen brothers first film... Blood Simple, 1984? Linear...but dark as well. I don't know if Frances McDormand and Joel Coen were an item before shooting...or that's where they met, seeing as the film came out and their marriage occurred in the same year. I believe that's the film with Gabriel Byrne. I quite like his work too. Enjoyed it a lot. No, he's not in that one. John Getz, McDormand, Dan Hedaya (Carla's husband on Cheers), and M. Emmet Walsh, who knew how to play those down-home, laid-back, creepy boys perfectly. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2013 21:28:32 GMT -5
I believe that's the film with Gabriel Byrne. I quite like his work too. Enjoyed it a lot. No, he's not in that one. John Getz, McDormand, Dan Hedaya (Carla's husband on Cheers), and M. Emmet Walsh, who knew how to play those down-home, laid-back, creepy boys perfectly. Yeah - I'm thinking of a film called Miller's Crossing. Also a Coen brothers film. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2013 13:44:14 GMT -5
This slight was completely intentional for one reason: to give Americans the credit. watched the movie the other night -- pure propaganda. "Based on a true story" . . . well, the idea of it was but that's about it. a lot of the movie was pure imagination [what do you expect from Hollywood?]. save your money and don't bother - watch the CBC version instead. oh, and NOT Oscar worthy! Zero Dark Thirty was a far superior film to Argo and a lot closer to reality. BUTT....it featured torture and given Crappywoods self ballyhooing political stands, they couldn't let a film with fake torture beat a film with fake story line. Compared to Hurt Locker, Slum Dog and Kings Speech. Argo is a third rate movie. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2013 13:49:15 GMT -5
This slight was completely intentional for one reason: to give Americans the credit. -- pure propaganda. "Based on a true story" . . . well, the idea of it was but that's about it. a lot of the movie was pure imagination [what do you expect from Hollywood?]. save your money and don't bother - watch the CBC version instead. oh, and NOT Oscar worthy! Didn't you salute? Somehow, all the movies fell into a 64gb memory stick. Only one was deleted to make more room. Guess which one? |
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Post by blny on Feb 28, 2013 19:22:30 GMT -5
Django should have won for best picture. Christoph Waltz at least won for best supporting actor. He's phenomenal.
Argo is a decent enough movie. Nothing remarkable really. Kudos to Carter for stepping up and setting the record straight, not that everyone was listening. Hell, Joe Clark had to convene a secret session to pass an amendment to allow the fake credentials for them. Not even a mention of it. That's OUR Prime Minister, and the federal caucus in a closed door session debating a piece of legislation to allow Americans to temporarily pretend to be Canadian. It's an incredible piece of diplomacy.
I was more worried about Zero Dark 30 being a rah rah movie, and in the end it wasn't imo. Saw Silver Linings, and it was okay. But, again, nothing remarkable. Trouble with the Curve was good. Amy Adams stole the show in that.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 1, 2013 4:05:33 GMT -5
In my opinion......
Django was way over the top on violence and intended controversy, but I didn't see anything special about it. Certainly no "message" in portraying stereotype uber race violence.
Another good choice would have been Lincoln along with ZD30. Bottom was Life Of Pi and Argo.
None were anything that I want to watch ten times. (Hello Gladiator, Last Mohican and a few others)
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2013 13:32:33 GMT -5
Django may have lacked in 'story', but the performances by the actors imo was fantastic. Dicaprio was great as the plantation owner. Don Johnson had a small part as a similar character, and the lynch mob scene was hilarious.
DDL, as Lincoln, is certainly one of the greatest actors ever. No doubt. I enjoyed the movie, even if it is a bit slow.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2013 23:29:14 GMT -5
I haven't seen any of them, so perhaps I have something to look forward to, or something to avoid. Can't tell from the reviews here. I certainly want to watch Lincoln and ZD30 to me might be interesting from a historical viewpoint, if it isn't hollywoodized too much.
Chuckles over Fargo. There's a part involving a chipper shredder, and they don't tackle branches with it. A little creepy.
One of my favourite movies, that happens to have Russel Crowe in it, is Master and Commander, Far Side of the World. I'm reading a whack of Patrick O'Brien novels with Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin as protagonists. They are good books and very realistic historically. Master and Commander really captures what it felt like to serve on a British warship in the early 1800's and has a lot of points about leadership in it. Dis, have you seen that movie and if so, would you concur about the leadership? A leader having to make decisions affecting his duty, goals, and his crew. Terrific cinematography too. An all time favourite for me. It won Oscars for best cinematography and sound editing. It had the bad luck to be up against Lord of the Rings, Return of the King that year, for Best Picture.
I always like Jimmy Carter as a President, and if not for a failed rescue attempt using a bunch of decrepit helicopters (Funny how some military events go relatively smoothly and others have Murphy's law written all over them), he may have beaten Reagan in 1980.
A movie depicting dastardly generals foiling Carter's rescue attempt might be interesting. It would probably sell well everywhere except the US.
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