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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2013 18:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2013 18:26:59 GMT -5
Not interested in the least.
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Post by duster on Mar 4, 2013 18:46:15 GMT -5
That ship sailed years ago. It would be replacing one Gomez with another. They need every bit of cap space as it is.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2013 18:53:06 GMT -5
How many times we been down that road? This isn't 2008. LeCavalier at this stage of his career is 25 goal - 60 points scorer whose play will continue to fall off. His contract is way too high for that kind of production.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 4, 2013 19:54:17 GMT -5
Fourth best player on the team earning $7 million? I thought we just got rid of one of those. Now Stamkos?  Try talking to Gainey in Dallas? |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 4, 2013 22:24:07 GMT -5
The lightning should buy him out and get a goalie. Or trade him for Luongo.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 5, 2013 1:52:06 GMT -5
NO
repeat
NO
That ship not only sailed, it crossed the ocean, smashed against the rocks, survivors were eaten by wild hamsters and hot burning lava covered the very existence of it.
NO.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 5, 2013 8:30:20 GMT -5
Well...  First of all, I suspect the writer is assuming that 2013 Vinny is going to garner a 2008 Vinny like return that will relaunch the Bolts on their god-given right to Southern Florida Hockey Domination. First round picks, top prospects, good young NHLers, the works. It's Vinny. It's Montreal. Let the pillaging begin. That ain't gonna happen. And since THAT ain't gonna happen, the deal is not going to happen. However, just for grins and giggles, let's keep in mind that the new CBA allows teams to retain salaries in trades, does it not? I don't know or understand the particulars, but Vinny at $7.7 million is a non-starter. But Vinny at $5 million... Hmmm... And what about those compliance buy-outs? Keep Vinny for the rest of this year, and next year, and then buy him out? How would that work? If it's a compliance buy-out a the end of 2014 there is no cap hit right? So it's only money, and not mine to boot. Heck, Molson will probably make what it will cost him in buyout money in sweater sales alone. Kaberle and a 2nd for Lecavalier, keep him for a year and a half and then buy him out with no cap hit? Not my money... |
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Post by blny on Mar 5, 2013 8:39:14 GMT -5
I thought those compliance buyouts could only be used in the first two years of the cap - being before this season and before next.
More than the money, it's the term I'm not interested in. He's contracted to 2019-20. More than the cap hit, he'll be getting paid $10 million per year in actual salary until the 2016-17 season.
It's just an ugly contract. Tampa would have to eat half of that contract before any team considers it.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 5, 2013 9:02:43 GMT -5
I thought those compliance buyouts could only be used in the first two years of the cap - being before this season and before next. More than the money, it's the term I'm not interested in. He's contracted to 2019-20. More than the cap hit, he'll be getting paid $10 million per year in actual salary until the 2016-17 season. It's just an ugly contract. Tampa would have to eat half of that contract before any team considers it. I keep seeing this though: "When the NHL and NHLPA came to an agreement on a new CBA, they came to terms on a compliance buyout clause that would allow teams to buy out a total of two contracts like Scott Gomez's and Wade Redden's between 2012-13 and the start of the 2014-15 season." Doesn't that mean that they could still buy him out after the 2013-14 season? Basically a playoff run, and one full season of Lecavalier... |
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Post by blny on Mar 5, 2013 9:12:35 GMT -5
Dunno BC. I thought, at first, teams could do two this Summer coming and that was it. Then, after some pressure, the league allowed teams to do one before this short season, and one in the summer.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 5, 2013 10:26:02 GMT -5
If Tampa ate half of his salary, then I would look at him.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 5, 2013 11:04:34 GMT -5
Well... First of all, I suspect the writer is assuming that 2013 Vinny is going to garner a 2008 Vinny like return that will relaunch the Bolts on their god-given right to Southern Florida Hockey Domination. First round picks, top prospects, good young NHLers, the works. It's Vinny. It's Montreal. Let the pillaging begin. That ain't gonna happen. And since THAT ain't gonna happen, the deal is not going to happen. However, just for grins and giggles, let's keep in mind that the new CBA allows teams to retain salaries in trades, does it not? I don't know or understand the particulars, but Vinny at $7.7 million is a non-starter. But Vinny at $5 million... Hmmm... And what about those compliance buy-outs? Keep Vinny for the rest of this year, and next year, and then buy him out? How would that work? If it's a compliance buy-out a the end of 2014 there is no cap hit right? So it's only money, and not mine to boot. Heck, Molson will probably make what it will cost him in buyout money in sweater sales alone. Kaberle and a 2nd for Lecavalier, keep him for a year and a half and then buy him out with no cap hit? Not my money... Cost team a fortune...have to buy out 5 years in one shot |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 5, 2013 12:54:45 GMT -5
When Vinny signed his contract everyone knew it was gonna be a problem down the road. The sweet spot of the contract was those first few years where you have a 28yr old Lecavalier at 7.7
Vinny is not old and done but the years ahead will be the tough ones of this contract... I'm sure if TB would find a taker for those years AND maybe get some interesting pieces in the trade as well, they'd be really happy.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 5, 2013 13:14:46 GMT -5
Dunno BC. I thought, at first, teams could do two this Summer coming and that was it. Then, after some pressure, the league allowed teams to do one before this short season, and one in the summer. FROM NHL.com The National Hockey League and the National Hockey League Players' Association on Tuesday agreed on a change in compliance buyout rules, allowing teams to buy out player contracts prior to Saturday.
In the new Collective Bargaining Agreement agreed to recently by the NHL and the NHLPA, clubs were permitted two "compliance" buyouts to take place during the 2013 and/or 2014 offseasons in order to ease the transition to a lower salary cap.
The new agreement allows teams to use one of those compliance buyouts prior to the start of this season. However, the player's full salary for the 2012-13 season still would count against the team's cap.
Players that are bought out will become unrestricted free agents, eligible to sign with any team.
If you used a buy-out this season the player still counted towards your cap ... if you use it next off-season (2013) or the one after (2014), the player will not count towards the cap |
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Post by blny on Mar 5, 2013 13:24:00 GMT -5
OK, so you can use a compliance buyout in the summer of 2014.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 7, 2013 14:57:40 GMT -5
Basically a playoff run, and one full season of Lecavalier... NO. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 7, 2013 15:45:25 GMT -5
In last 3-4 days been quite a wide spectrum of rumours involving the Habs. From Cammalleri to LeCavalier to Ryan Clowe
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 7, 2013 17:44:09 GMT -5
In last 3-4 days been quite a wide spectrum of rumours involving the Habs. From Cammalleri to LeCavalier to Ryan Clowe There will be some bogus ones out there too. But, I think Mr Bergevin has made his position pretty clear. He won't mortgage the future of the club. If there is a deal in the future I'm hoping it doesn't involve the existing roster. However, it would also be interesting to see how he'd handle a significant injury to the roster. Would he promote a player, or bring in some short-term insurance? Having said that, I really like the direction the club has taken and I think we'd do well to add a player for the playoff run. Hopefully it will be a big presence. Cheers. |
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Post by duster on Apr 3, 2013 15:13:08 GMT -5
Just read today that Brian Lawton was discussing Gainey's offer for Lecavalier back in 2009. The offer was Price, Subban, Pacioretty and a 1st round pick. Not sure who was responsible in Tampa for turning that down but thank god they did. It would have ranked as the worst trade in Habs history.
I guess Gainey was really desperate for a no1 centre. It explains the Gomez deal to a certain extent.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 15:16:56 GMT -5
I saw this earlier today. Didn't know how to take it lol. Certainly a worse trade, potentially. Some comments I read took what Lawton had to say with a grain of salt. They claimed he was lying basically, in an effort to get his 'name in print'.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2013 16:30:21 GMT -5
I saw this earlier today. Didn't know how to take it lol. Certainly a worse trade, potentially. Some comments I read took what Lawton had to say with a grain of salt. They claimed he was lying basically, in an effort to get his 'name in print'. Lawton should be embarassed to tell people he turned that huge gift down. Or is he blaming that on some one else? |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 16:39:05 GMT -5
I saw this earlier today. Didn't know how to take it lol. Certainly a worse trade, potentially. Some comments I read took what Lawton had to say with a grain of salt. They claimed he was lying basically, in an effort to get his 'name in print'. Lawton should be embarassed to tell people he turned that huge gift down. Or is he blaming that on some one else? He's a self-aggrandizing idiot. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2013 17:16:59 GMT -5
I saw this earlier today. Didn't know how to take it lol. Certainly a worse trade, potentially. Some comments I read took what Lawton had to say with a grain of salt. They claimed he was lying basically, in an effort to get his 'name in print'. I think he is re-writing history ... I'm pretty sure the talk back then was which CENTER to trade. Plekanec's sme was being thrown around I think .... I'm sure we must have a thread on it here |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 3, 2013 19:59:29 GMT -5
Just read today that Brian Lawton was discussing Gainey's offer for Lecavalier back in 2009. The offer was Price, Subban, Pacioretty and a 1st round pick. Not sure who was responsible in Tampa for turning that down but thank god they did. It would have ranked as the worst trade in Habs history. I guess Gainey was really desperate for a no1 centre. It explains the Gomez deal to a certain extent. I remember at the time Gainey was furious at Lawton for leaking the rumour....no wonder. |
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 3, 2013 20:43:02 GMT -5
I saw this earlier today. Didn't know how to take it lol. Certainly a worse trade, potentially. Some comments I read took what Lawton had to say with a grain of salt. They claimed he was lying basically, in an effort to get his 'name in print'. I think he is re-writing history ... I'm pretty sure the talk back then was which CENTER to trade. Plekanec's sme was being thrown around I think .... I'm sure we must have a thread on it here I'm 100% sure Plekanec was mentioned and Gainey was livid that the rumour leaked at the time. Lawton's an idiot. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 3, 2013 23:59:55 GMT -5
Gainey turned out to be a horrible GM, maybe the worst ever. Houle had the excuse that as GM, he was forced to cut back salary, Gainey won a cup with big dollars to buy a cup and all of a sudden, he became a "great gm"? How?
Truth be told, I thought that he was better then Savard, reality is that he was worse then him. Savard started with nothing and he got rewarded by getting pushed out by a false God.
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Post by madhabber on Apr 4, 2013 8:57:13 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the rumour at the time was Plekanec, Higgins, Gorges and a first. Lawton is a lyer. No way Gainey would of traded or offered his golden boy Price. I sincerely doubt Lawton knew anything about Pacioretty and Subban at the time.
Just looked up both Vin's and Tomas' numbers since the trade that never happened.
Vinny
2009-10 82 24 46 70 63 -16
2010-11 65 25 29 54 43 -5
2011-12 64 22 27 49 50 -2
2012-13 26 7 15 22 +1
Pleks
2009-10 82 25 45 70 50 +5
2010-11 77 22 35 57 60 +8
2011-12 81 17 35 52 56 -15
2012-13 36 13 14 27 18 +6
What's the difference between the 2 really. Size and language. Is it really worth Gorges, Higgins equivalent, and a 1st.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 4, 2013 13:00:59 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the rumour at the time was Plekanec, Higgins, Gorges and a first. Lawton is a lyer. That's the deal I remember. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 4, 2013 13:44:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the rumour at the time was Plekanec, Higgins, Gorges and a first. Lawton is a lyer. No way Gainey would of traded or offered his golden boy Price. I sincerely doubt Lawton knew anything about Pacioretty and Subban at the time. I agree. I can't possibly think that Gainey was that outright stupid. He made a lot of bad moves, but that would have been beyond the pale. |
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