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Post by GNick99 on Mar 24, 2013 14:28:53 GMT -5
Hotstove had an interesting segment last night on Iginla being traded to a Cup contender? Appartently, Bruins and Pitt are leading contenders to land him. If they do instantly makes them favorites to come out of the east.
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Post by blny on Mar 24, 2013 17:31:42 GMT -5
They will. Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, and two others I'm forgetting are all teams that Iggy has apparently officially said he'd go to. Ball is in Feaster's court to get the best deal possible for Flames.
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 24, 2013 17:42:00 GMT -5
Where's the habs love?
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Post by blny on Mar 24, 2013 17:46:42 GMT -5
Not sure why there'd be any. Jarome is thinking legit contenders. Remains to be seen if we are. Certainly the chance for him to play with Sid or Gino would be tantalizing at this point in his career. We don't have anyone of that caliber.
Would he put us over the top if we swung for the fences and 'won'? Not sure. He'll be 36 before next season. It would appear he has gas in the tank, but do we want to add a contract we can bury if it goes wrong, or cant trade?
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 24, 2013 17:52:17 GMT -5
We are playing well and shouldn't be counted out so easily. I'd rank Chicago and Pittsburgh ahead of us but everyone else? Who knows in a 7 game series? Iggy could make us a contender I feel. If the going rate is what pitts paid for Morrow than I say go for it
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Post by blny on Mar 24, 2013 19:20:13 GMT -5
It's not about making us a contender though. It's who HE feels are contenders. His NTC means he's dictating terms. Sources speaking to Dreger, Lebrun, Mac, etc are saying the teams Iggy will agree to go to are Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, and LA. www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419005What's the asking price going to be? A first rounder THIS year. A second rounder this year, or a prospect of considerable value, and another high pick. For argument's sake let's say Iggy would welcome a deal to Montreal, are you willing to give up our first, and two seconds this year for a guy that may not sign beyond it? Keep in mind, high profile rentals rarely pan out. How many last minute rentals have brought a Cup to their new teams? I can't think of any in the modern era. Hossa might be the biggest profile rental in the last few years. It didn't work. He goes to Pittsburgh, loses to Detroit in the final. Switches teams in the off season, and loses to Pittsburgh the following year. It wasn't until he signed in Chicago that he got his ring. At the time of the Hossa deal to Pittsburgh, the Thrashers 'threw in' Dupuis and got 4 significant (at the time) pieces back. Four. It's too much imo. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 25, 2013 8:21:15 GMT -5
What's the asking price going to be? A first rounder THIS year. A second rounder this year, or a prospect of considerable value, and another high pick. For argument's sake let's say Iggy would welcome a deal to Montreal, are you willing to give up our first, and two seconds this year for a guy that may not sign beyond it? Bergevin will never accept a deal like this unless we're just one piece away from the Cup. I remember Gainey addressing this issue back in the day. The Thrashers apparently wanted "four elements" all of who would come off the current roster. I can't remember the deal per se, but the Thrashers wanted both Kostitsyns as part of the deal and two other roster "elements". Gainey said they could have one of the brothers, but not both. It's just as well the deal didn't go down. If Gainey had taken the deal we'd have been in the same pickle as the Rangers are right now. They may have landed Nash, but they basically removed a lot of core guys to do it, and they're paying for it now with inconsistent play. I'd love to have Iginla in the lineup but not at those prices. If he lands in Boston or LA he's going to give either team a legit shot at le Cup. If he lands in Chicago ...  But, it will be interesting to see if a team actually pony's up on the asking price. That's quite the price for a rental who I envision retiring as a Flame. Calgary may want to establish a good foundation but if the wait too long they may just end up taking what they can get because they'll run out of time. And, it's Calgary after all. You never know what hidden rule they might have overlooked ;D Interesting times. Cheers. |
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Post by Gogie on Mar 25, 2013 8:21:36 GMT -5
Pittsburgh talked to Calgary about Iggy, figured Calgary wanted too much so quickly grabbed Morrow before the Bruins did. Boston talked to Calgary and felt they wanted too much. Don't know if Chicago or LA has looked into Iginla yet. Me thinks Calgary is trying to shoot the moon on a rental player with not so much left in the tank?
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Post by blny on Mar 25, 2013 9:06:46 GMT -5
I think Iggy has a fair bit in the tank given his age. He's notoriously slow out the gate, but by Christmas he still gets it going. In the right situation, I think he's got a couple of years left in him where he can put up a point a game.
And Dis, there is definitely NO way that MB parts with that many assets for what would likely be a pure rental.
Who's to say he doesn't go right back and sign in Calgary over the summer? If I had to wager, I think LA is the only place he might consider signing with after the season. The weather and Sutter would be hard to pass up.
I'm not sure what pieces LA would have to send the other way that would interest Calgary. To listen to Flames fans, they're not looking for goalies. The Kings are not ranked all that highly in prospect depth at HF, and they traded Loktionov to the Devils for a 5th rounder.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 25, 2013 10:15:03 GMT -5
Keep in mind, high profile rentals rarely pan out. How many last minute rentals have brought a Cup to their new teams? I can't think of any in the modern era. 2011-12 - Los Angeles added Jeff Carter a few days before the deadline 2010-11 - Boston pick up Chris Kelly and Rich Peverly close to the deadline 2009-10 - Chicago added Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy. (Nick Botyton in a seperate deal days later) 2008-09 - Pittsburgh aquired Bill Guerin, Chris Kunitz 2007-08 - Detroit added Brad Stuart 2006-07 - Anaheim aquired Brad May I don't think its about adding rentals, I'm sure some of the above you wouldn't consider as rentals, but it is about improving your team. Most Cup winners DO address an area of weakness prior to winning the Cup. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 25, 2013 11:12:14 GMT -5
And Dis, there is definitely NO way that MB parts with that many assets for what would likely be a pure rental. Yeah, for sure, man ... been mentioning that here and there in various posts. If he doesn't retire a Flame, then he'll probably go into the HHOF as one. Iggy wants a shot at the Cup and we'd be on his list if he thought our club was close. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2013 19:23:21 GMT -5
Looks like deal is very close. Boston has a number of people scratched both in Boston and Providence. Khokhlachev looks to be the center piece. Iggy is a healthy scratch tonight. MacKenzie is reporting that the two teams are in very deep talks, but he believes Calgary is leveraging the deal against Pitt, Chi, LA in an effort to get the best deal possible.
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2013 19:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 27, 2013 19:49:22 GMT -5
Any draft picks involved besides these three? |
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2013 20:14:05 GMT -5
Doesn't look like it. Chiarelli is also on record saying he's not parting with his first round pick this year.
If that is the best the Flames can get, or their scouting staff perceives to be the best, well ... Clowe's value just plummeted imo.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 27, 2013 20:28:13 GMT -5
Feaster is not the best GM, which scares me. I'd tell Chiarelli to take a flying leap unless he gives me the 1st rounder. OUtside of Khokhlachev, there's nothing in this trade for Calgary. He was a pretty good 2nd round pick. Hopefully, the Flames will trade him to someone other than Boston and really tick them off.
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Post by jkr on Mar 27, 2013 20:38:14 GMT -5
just had a look at the Flames board on HF. Some of them are delusional enough to think about Boston's 1st AND Doug Hamilton.  |
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Post by sergejean on Mar 27, 2013 20:41:02 GMT -5
I would call Chiarelli and say Khokhlachev, Subban and your first or else, I trade Iggy to the Pens.
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Post by jkr on Mar 27, 2013 20:55:42 GMT -5
I would call Chiarelli and say Khokhlachev, Subban and your first or else, I trade Iggy to the Pens. I'd trade him to the Pens just for spite.  |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 27, 2013 22:49:33 GMT -5
Reports are that Iggy has been traded, and to Boston. There's no certainty yet on what's going back the other way, just speculation. Khokhlachev is probably a definite. I think he's Boston's best forward prospect. After that, I haven't heard. One guy said Boston's first, but that's not definite and even if it is, we don't know if its this years or next. It better be this years. Anyway, nothing is definite yet.
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Post by duster on Mar 28, 2013 0:00:51 GMT -5
It looks as if the Bs got him. Bobby Mac believes that defenceman Matt Bartkowski, prospect Alexander Khokhlachev, and a conditional first-round draft pick are headed to Calgary in return, with the first rounder conditional on Iginla re-signing with the Bruins. That would imply that the potential first rounder is probably not for this year.
If this is true, Feaster got robbed, imo.
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Post by Rhiessan on Mar 28, 2013 0:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 28, 2013 0:30:27 GMT -5
Nope...he's going to Pittsburgh.
All media jumped on the Boston story.
Feaster said Iginla gave him a list of teams he'd go to....Feaster got a few deals ready....and, with Iginla's input, the best decision was Pittsburgh.
Wow....Crosby, Malkin, Iginla....
I'd rather he go there than to Boston....I was worried.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 28, 2013 0:52:07 GMT -5
I went to the Providence Bruins website to see how Khokhlachev was doing and his name wasn't even on the roster. I thought maybe they'd taken it off because of the trade, but if it's Pittsburgh, then I'm unsure. We didn't need to have the Pens strengthened even further, but perhaps the chemistry will all go weird and they won't be helped much if at all. We can only hope. Or we hope that Boston meets Pittsburgh and we take on the survivor.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 28, 2013 1:09:21 GMT -5
A couple of college guys who may be ok. Hanowski is a good scorer and is 6'2", 210 lbs, so a big guy. Agostino played on the US WJC team, so he's likely a good skater.
The big part is the first rounder, though it will be a late one. Still, it's in a very good draft, so for a pure rental (since its unlikely Pittsburgh will have the cap space to sign Iggy next year. The Habs can go after him...or not, after July 1.
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Post by duster on Mar 28, 2013 4:04:58 GMT -5
I'm glad he's going to Pittsburgh instead of Boston. What a lineup! Makes you wonder what a player like Cooke is doing on that team.
Feaster got less than I thought he would. Maybe he didn't have much of a choice.
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Post by blny on Mar 28, 2013 7:16:05 GMT -5
Clearly, Feaster put together deals from the list of teams and gave them to Iggy. TSN got wind of the Boston deal only, while the Pens kept it quiet. Difference maker would appear to be the guaranteed first.
I know nothing about the two prospects, but feel the offers from both teams (that hit the media) were low. I'll reiterate that this has a huge impact on Clowe's value.
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Post by franko on Mar 28, 2013 7:48:33 GMT -5
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Post by madhabber on Mar 28, 2013 8:39:30 GMT -5
I went to the Providence Bruins website to see how Khokhlachev was doing and his name wasn't even on the roster. I thought maybe they'd taken it off because of the trade, but if it's Pittsburgh, then I'm unsure. We didn't need to have the Pens strengthened even further, but perhaps the chemistry will all go weird and they won't be helped much if at all. We can only hope. Or we hope that Boston meets Pittsburgh and we take on the survivor. That's what I'm hoping for. First Morrow, then Iginla. Some guys went down a peg. Some guys went down two. As time goes by, those guys that went down in the lineup won't be happy and it may disrupt team chemistry. Besides, they are peaking too early. BTW, it sure doesn't seam like much to pay for Iggy. Ha! Went on HFBoards tocheck on and compare the prospects the Flames got since I am no expert on every teams' prospects. Both guys are listed as 7.0C prospect. Bournival and Holland level. That's all Feaster could get, he should get fired. These are B level prospects. They should of been able to get an A level guy with a B. |
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Post by blny on Mar 28, 2013 8:51:53 GMT -5
TSN, and TSN.ca will broadcast Iggy's press conference. 12:30pm eastern
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