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Post by blny on Apr 2, 2013 12:55:19 GMT -5
Not yet. TSN has posted the article, but doesn't say what the pick is.
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Post by blny on Apr 2, 2013 13:49:45 GMT -5
Pick is conditional 2nd. If Bruins win two rounds, the pick becomes a first.
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Post by christrpn on Apr 2, 2013 16:27:58 GMT -5
Habs acquire 6'1'' 220lbs D-man Davis Drewiske from Kings in exchange of our 5th round pick.
Goes with what MB is looking for, Character
Be interesting to see what kind of physical play he brings
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Post by HFTO on Apr 2, 2013 17:13:58 GMT -5
Clowe to Rags for 2nd 3rd cond.2nd if he signs...I still may not have done that but even so pretty sure Habs were not on his list.
Funny thing is he may miss the playoffs.
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Apr 2, 2013 19:22:14 GMT -5
I heard that Wilson had similar offers from both the Canucks and the Rangers, so he offered the choice to the Clowe camp and they'd rather the Rangers than the Canucks.  ?? Perhaps because NY is closer to N & L than Vancouver is. NY has a very low chance of winning a cup anytime soon. Canucks, with Derek Roy, Kesler coming back from injury and Clowe if he went there, would look a lot better IMO. |
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Post by blny on Apr 2, 2013 19:23:41 GMT -5
Clowe definitely wanted the Eastern Conference.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 2, 2013 22:41:55 GMT -5
I heard that Wilson had similar offers from both the Canucks and the Rangers, so he offered the choice to the Clowe camp and they'd rather the Rangers than the Canucks. ?? Perhaps because NY is closer to N & L than Vancouver is. NY has a very low chance of winning a cup anytime soon. Canucks, with Derek Roy, Kesler coming back from injury and Clowe if he went there, would look a lot better IMO. No. Vancouver did not want to discuss the possibility of a contract extension. The Rangers gave Clowe a guarantee they would discuss contract extension. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 3, 2013 0:47:24 GMT -5
I'm only repeating what I heard from the 'experts' on Sportsnet or TSN. They may not be as tuned in as they think.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 6:27:38 GMT -5
I've read the same as you 17. According to Dreger/Lebrun/MacKenzie, SJ worked to create the foundation of deals with Vancouver, and NYR. Then they went to Clowe and and asked who he'd waive his NTC for. Clowe picked the Rangers.
Ironically, they may not even make the playoffs. They're in 9th right now, behind the Islanders.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2013 6:43:07 GMT -5
I've read the same as you 17. According to Dreger/Lebrun/MacKenzie, SJ worked to create the foundation of deals with Vancouver, and NYR. Then they went to Clowe and and asked who he'd waive his NTC for. Clowe picked the Rangers. Ironically, they may not even make the playoffs. They're in 9th right now, behind the Islanders. Last night on Sportsnet they had a "why did the player end up where they did segment" They discussed Jagr and Clowe. Nick Kypreos said, that according to his NYR sources the Rangers are willing to discuss a contract extension, the Canucks said no, he was going to be a rental for them ... |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 6:51:09 GMT -5
Right on. Either way, will he add the offense the Rangers desperately need? I highly doubt it.
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Post by Dschens on Apr 3, 2013 7:01:39 GMT -5
Right on. Either way, will he add the offense the Rangers desperately need? I highly doubt it. It would be a neat task to examine what all these rental players from the deadline deals of the last years have down for their new teams and how these teams have performed after the trades and in the playoffs. Anyone interested? Skilly? |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 7:09:52 GMT -5
As I've said before, the impact is minimal. How many cup winners did it on the backs of rentals? not many.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2013 7:12:28 GMT -5
Right on. Either way, will he add the offense the Rangers desperately need? I highly doubt it. It would be a neat task to examine what all these rental players from the deadline deals of the last years have down for their new teams and how these teams have performed after the trades and in the playoffs. Anyone interested? Skilly? It would be easier to examine just the players acquired ... whether the player is a rental is up for interpretation. Sometimes the team wants to sign him, we would never really know .... ... right now, based on the reporting, I wouldn't classify Clowe as a rental. The Rangers are interested in signing him, and Clowe doesn't want to pack his bags again in such a short time. Now that's not saying he will be signed. Jagr was traded because he wants more than one year. Again, who knows if Boston is thinking of slotting him in their lineup. I posted last week a list of the Cup winners and their acquisitions in the leading up to the deadline. Almost all of them, made a move to bolster their line up in a meaningful way (well now I just left the term meaningful up to debate ..  ) |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2013 7:13:42 GMT -5
As I've said before, the impact is minimal. How many cup winners did it on the backs of rentals? not many. You keep saying rentals. Almost all the Cup winners acquired a decent deadline player. 2011-12 - Los Angeles added Jeff Carter a few days before the deadline 2010-11 - Boston pick up Chris Kelly and Rich Peverly close to the deadline 2009-10 - Chicago added Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy. (Nick Botyton in a seperate deal days later) 2008-09 - Pittsburgh aquired Bill Guerin, Chris Kunitz 2007-08 - Detroit added Brad Stuart 2006-07 - Anaheim aquired Brad May I don't think its about adding rentals, I'm sure some of the above you wouldn't consider as rentals, but it is about improving your team. Most Cup winners DO address an area of weakness prior to winning the Cup. |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 10:29:36 GMT -5
How many of those had a significant impact? Kelly and Carter helped their respective clubs, but Johnsson and Leddy? Guerin was a factor. Brad May?
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 10:30:12 GMT -5
Looks like Kipper won't be leaving. He's gonna play out the season and retire.
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Post by franko on Apr 3, 2013 11:43:09 GMT -5
Bishop [Anderson] supposedly in play. Calgary? Phoenix? Sens got Bishop for a 2nd, want a 1st; the dream is Yandle plus for Anderson.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 11:47:38 GMT -5
Nashville sends Scott Hannan to San Jose for conditional pick (6/7).
Nashville fans are wishing good riddance.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 11:52:24 GMT -5
Florida sends Smithson to Oilers for pick (MacKenzie saying likely a 4th).
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 12:28:19 GMT -5
Pens acquire Jussi Jokinen for conditional pick. Carolina retaining some of JJ's salary.
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Post by franko on Apr 3, 2013 12:42:32 GMT -5
I can't take all this excitement. My heart, my heart . . .  |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2013 12:44:38 GMT -5
How many of those had a significant impact? Kelly and Carter helped their respective clubs, but Johnsson and Leddy? Guerin was a factor. Brad May? So you are giving me 3 out of the last 6 .... 50% is better than "not many". Leddy didn't help at all, he didn't play in those playoffs I dont think, he was a prospect thrown in the Kim Johnsson trade I believe. But adding Johnsson and Boynton added defensive depth, and back then I do believe some posters were wishing for Boynton to be picked up by the Habs. To measure if they helped, we'd have to look at why they were acquired. I dont think Anaheim acquired Brad May to score. He was brought in for grit, and to answer the bell if needed. The point being, teams that win the Cup, typically DO in fact make deadline or near deadline deals to improve their clubs. Back in the 90's, not so much ... today, almost certainly. |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 12:51:27 GMT -5
How many of those had a significant impact? Kelly and Carter helped their respective clubs, but Johnsson and Leddy? Guerin was a factor. Brad May? So you are giving me 3 out of the last 6 .... 50% is better than "not many". In 5 years. Carter had 13 points in 20 playoff games. Nothing Earth shattering. Kelly had 13 in 25 and won draws. That's the best of the group. TSN has showed a few (but not many) clips throughout the day of people acquired at or near the deadline who made an impact. Perhaps the greatest collection of clips was for that of John Tonelli. 27 years ago, the Flames got him from the Islanders. He had 16 in 22. How many cup winners can DIRECTLY attribute their winning the cup to the contributions of a deadline acquisition? Not a bit part. Not a guy who did little more than what someone else could have done with the same ice time. Someone who actually came in and lead the team to the promised land. |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 13:02:26 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_trade_deadlineThere's a list of all the trades on TDL day. The Islanders stealing Goring is likely the best one. The Avs getting Bourque worked out well, but not till the following season. Perhaps the best deal the Habs made on TDL day was sending Linden to Washington, with picks, for Zednik, Bulis and a first. Linden was done, and they got max value for that.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 13:07:01 GMT -5
Ott sends Ben Bishop to Tampa. Don't know the return.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 3, 2013 13:14:47 GMT -5
Rookie Conacher and a 4th. Sens did well and Yzerman thinks he's found his goalie.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 13:16:08 GMT -5
Like this for Ottawa. Conacher looks like a good one. St Louis or Gallagher even type.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2013 13:26:02 GMT -5
Like this for Ottawa. Conacher looks like a good one. St Louis or Gallagher even type. great asset mgt. by Murray. He gets Bishop for a 2nd from the Blues & trades him for the guy leading all rookies in scoring. Bad move by Yzerman. Seems like desparation to me. |
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2013 13:29:18 GMT -5
Flyers lose on Bishop, get Mason from Columbus. Not sure of return.
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?? Perhaps because NY is closer to N & L than Vancouver is. NY has a very low chance of winning a cup anytime soon. Canucks, with Derek Roy, Kesler coming back from injury and Clowe if he went there, would look a lot better IMO. 
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