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Post by jkr on Apr 15, 2013 14:34:27 GMT -5
It appears there were 2 explosions near the finish line at the Boston Marathon with people suffering serious injuries. I have never run Boston but I know the finish lines can be awfully packed with people. Here's the link - www.cnn.com |
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2013 15:19:48 GMT -5
Scary stuff.
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Post by jkr on Apr 15, 2013 17:18:56 GMT -5
Bruins/Senators game in Boston tonight postponed.
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2013 17:32:21 GMT -5
Even if there isn't a scare of more incidents, this is the right thing to do. My understanding is the explosions occurred some time after the two winners crossed the line, but I'm sure there were still people finishing.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 16, 2013 17:47:36 GMT -5
Human garbage does what it does because it is garbage.
What I fear more then the act is the readiness of polarized poison politics to blame...or to excuse. What exactly is "man made human disaster"? This is not some worker bee who accidentally poked a hole in a propane truck with his pencil, this was a home made bomb and a terror act. Period.
Who or why are yet to be known......although the left is praying it's a far right group and the Muslim are praying it's not a Muslim. Me? I'm praying the piece of human trash dies very, very slowly and painfully.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 16, 2013 18:16:14 GMT -5
BTW.....I'm was reading about this while flying....while hooked up to wi-fi in the plane. How cool....and scary is that? Do I turn to the passenger besides me and talk about bombs?
Amma'gonna be pretty pissed if this human garbage target flying machines.
And since we are on the subject......
I'm cleared from a Canadian flight and pass checkpoint controls in Frankfurt, to wait in a terminal that has more people in it then a small Canadian city. They hilariously took my water bottle away.....while safe in the knowledge that they secured the contents of a thousand bratwurst stands. Makes Pearson look like a fortress in comparison.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2013 19:40:02 GMT -5
My gut tells me this wasn't a foreign enemy, but someone from the US.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2013 20:30:44 GMT -5
Very interested to know the motivation/mindset/beliefs/delusion of the guilty.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2013 21:35:27 GMT -5
Very interested to know the motivation/mindset/beliefs/delusion of the guilty. Indeed. Apparently there were police with bomb sniffing dogs in the area prior to the blasts. I'm not sure if this is normal for the Boston Marathon, or if a threat was called in. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2013 21:42:30 GMT -5
Alex Jones, of course, calling conspiracy for just that reason, blny. Something about a "bombing drill coinciding with the explosions."
He's big on federal/domestic plots to inch-by-inch take away their civil liberties and their guns. He's real hot on that.
Not saying I agree with him at all...I was just wondering what he had to say about it...and I figured he'd be calling a false flag/conspiracy.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2013 6:36:17 GMT -5
Jones is a whacko. The fact that he calls himself a right winger makes me want to vote NDP...almost.
But.......
Given obamas already stated "never let a crisis go to waste", I'm wondering just a tiny bit if someone could have "missed" something. On the other hand, the political consequences would be catastrophic.
Me......I'm sticking to my belief that 9/11 was the work of Bin Ladinolopoulos........
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2013 6:52:24 GMT -5
I only know about the dogs because a local radio station here interviewed a guy who was running in the marathon on Monday.
He commented that he saw the dogs and police, but I don't recall when/where in the course of his race. He said he was stopped some half a mile before the finish. With traffic a mess, and no cabs available, he went back to his hotel packed up and walked 5kms to a water taxi to get his flight at Logan. Imagine, you've just basically run a full marathon and decide to walk 5 clicks to catch a water taxi lol.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 19, 2013 9:24:19 GMT -5
City on complete and total lockdown. No public transport, no commuter rails, no taxis. Crazy car chase and firefight through the Boston area. I hope they get the 2nd one alive, but something tells me that won't happen. We are staying indoors today.
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2013 9:27:40 GMT -5
stay safe!
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 19, 2013 9:50:09 GMT -5
City on complete and total lockdown. No public transport, no commuter rails, no taxis. Crazy car chase and firefight through the Boston area. I hope they get the 2nd one alive, but something tells me that won't happen. We are staying indoors today. Been watching CNN all morning - pretty crazy there now. Keep your head down! |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 19, 2013 10:09:33 GMT -5
BTW.....I'm was reading about this while flying....while hooked up to wi-fi in the plane. How cool....and scary is that? Do I turn to the passenger besides me and talk about bombs? Amma'gonna be pretty pissed if this human garbage target flying machines. And since we are on the subject...... I'm cleared from a Canadian flight and pass checkpoint controls in Stuttgard, to wait in a terminal that has more people in it then a small Canadian city. They hilariously took my water bottle away.....while safe in the knowledge that they secured the contents of a thousand bratwurst stands. Makes Pearson look like a fortress in comparison. Frankfurt International is very well armed. Automatic weapons and armoured vests the norm. Found out about this when I was in Cuba. I was watching CNN just as the story broke. Arrived back into Canada, 1 AM yesterday morning and people were still talking about it waiting to go through customs. I also found it nteresting that everyone I talked to seemed to be current in their info. Noted that the Taliban were quick to deny any involvement. That's a good thing. Initial rumours included North Korean involvement. That's a stretch-and-a-half. NK wouldn't have the stones, or brains for that matter, to pull off something like this. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2013 10:37:29 GMT -5
Just read that the older brother was a devout Muslim...I would presume his brother is as well. Explosives...terror...blaze of glory.... What level of spell were they under? If this article has any truth to it....we all know the answer: Article |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 19, 2013 10:40:56 GMT -5
BTW.....I'm was reading about this while flying....while hooked up to wi-fi in the plane. How cool....and scary is that? Do I turn to the passenger besides me and talk about bombs? Amma'gonna be pretty pissed if this human garbage target flying machines. And since we are on the subject...... I'm cleared from a Canadian flight and pass checkpoint controls in Stuttgard, to wait in a terminal that has more people in it then a small Canadian city. They hilariously took my water bottle away.....while safe in the knowledge that they secured the contents of a thousand bratwurst stands. Makes Pearson look like a fortress in comparison. Frankfurt International is very well armed. Automatic weapons and armoured vests the norm. Found out about this when I was in Cuba. I was watching CNN just as the story broke. Arrived back into Canada, 1 AM yesterday morning and people were still talking about it waiting to go through customs. I also found it nteresting that everyone I talked to seemed to be current in their info. Noted that the Taliban were quick to deny any involvement. That's a good thing. Initial rumours included North Korean involvement. That's a stretch-and-a-half. NK wouldn't have the stones, or brains for that matter, to pull off something like this. Cheers. You know when you have to worry about losing it? When you land in Frankfurt and you write its Stuttgart! Yeeshhh... Its certainly well armed. I just can't figure out how you can keep such a vast complex safe. All you need is a fistful of explosives in tons and tons of foodstuffs daily. Meanwhile, amma'gonna go find my brain. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 19, 2013 10:45:50 GMT -5
Just read that the older brother was a devout Muslim...I would presume his brother is as well. Explosives...terror...blaze of glory.... What level of spell were they under? If this article has any truth to it....we all know the answer: ArticleI think I read somewhere were there was a storm of Twitters praying it wasn't a Muslim. |
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Post by duster on Apr 19, 2013 10:46:18 GMT -5
It's a surprise to me that they are Chechens. The ongoing conflict in Chechnya and Dagestan is essentially a Muslim insurgency but has always been restricted to Russia. I doubt it's relevant here. However, Al-Quaeda does have a fair number of Chechens in its ranks so there is a possibility it might be another one of their ops.
I'm hoping they capture this young man alive to find out why he and his brother did this. Unfortunately, it seems that the police in Boston are walking around with drawn guns so I fear we'll never know. The patented U.S. method of shooting first, shooting again, shooting some more and then asking questions makes that unlikely.
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2013 10:55:45 GMT -5
Chechnya is mostly a Muslim state, but as Duster says they've never aimed their angst at anyone other than Russia. I have a hard time believing this is a Al Quaeda op. Of all things to target, a marathon in Boston? It's not a military town. It's not really a financial center. Seems to me it's more a crime of opportunity. www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1According to the link, one was a student at a community college. They seemed depressed about not fitting in with Westerners. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2013 10:57:09 GMT -5
Just want to preface this post by saying that I'm not anti-Muslim....but I am anti-any militant, radical, fundamentalist force in this world, religion-based or not....and in this case, it's that form of Islam. If it was a Christian sect, I'd call it out, too....and there have been tons of examples of that over the centuries.
It's the force in this world that says they have divine authority to preach and believe that women deserve to be raped....and Jews should be extirpated. The force in this world whose answer to every form of criticism is the threat and the promise of "death"....and we know what methods they're willing to take, because of the belief that killing infidels will bring them various prizes in the after-life....one of which is a bevy of virgins.
Totalitarianism and barbarism defined. And yet it lies under the protective blanket of religious respect.
Time to pull back that blanket for good, IMO.
This might be breaking the CoC...and if so, I'll remove myself from the board right now.....but I don't think a misogynistic, genocidal, racist, terrorist, megalomaniacal sect--acting on divine authority, no less--should be considered something to be respected. And how does that sect safeguard itself against moderate, peace-loving Muslims speaking out against it? The promise of being labelled apostates who deserve death as well. Fear and terror across the board. Nice rules, eh? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Time to stand up against this BS while we still have the rights and freedoms to do so....because under that kind of regime....good luck talking without a head.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 19, 2013 10:57:49 GMT -5
Do they need a reason when some are brought up on a daily diet of.....America is evil, West is evil....kill?
I really think that we underestimate how much hate and blindness so called "educated" people can have.
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2013 11:26:22 GMT -5
CH, you're not wrong. Catholicism has done more than its fair share of cleansing, and killing in the name of, over the centuries. The fundamentalist extremists are playing catch up now because they're better funded. It's just as sinister too.
A thousand years ago, you had the Pope, and Cardinals, sending weak-minded 'believers' to death for God. These Popes and Cardinals would never pick up a sword themselves. With al-Quaeda you have a largely Saudi funded outfit. Follow the money. Somewhere, there's a billionaire sheik or two pulling the strings. They brainwash some weak-minded people to do their bidding. This time the sword is a bomb. Inflation for 1000 years I guess.
Cranky, from a 'tactical' point of view the 9/11 attacks were a surgical strike. Crazy, fanatical, etc. But, done with military precision against a target that represented the financial well-being of the US. If you disassociate yourself from it, and take their POV, it 'made sense'. An attack on DC would 'make sense'. There was nothing random about 9/11. It was planned over several years - at least.
If it was a number of attacks of the scale of Monday done at the same time in different locations, I could see it being surgically planned. I'm not saying these brothers didn't plan anything. I just think they acted alone. I may be wrong.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 19, 2013 12:06:27 GMT -5
If it was a number of attacks of the scale of Monday done at the same time in different locations, I could see it being surgically planned. I'm not saying these brothers didn't plan anything. I just think they acted alone. I may be wrong. I have no experience in this matter either, but it seems to me to be a lone-wolf scenario as well. The fact that they tried to get away, but in a tragically comical kind of way (carjack, robbing a convenience store) suggests to me they had no "community" support. Nobody to house them, fund them, etcetera. Also, I've done a couple of races, and it seems to me that a "pro" for lack of a better word would have targeted the start of the race, and not the finish. Here is a picture of the start line:  Imagine a bomb going off there? The pandemonium? The people that would be trampled to death? Again, talking out of my you-know-what here, but the whole operation seems rather amateurish to me. Not belittling it by any means, but this doesn't seem like a well-organized super-plot. Now having said that, the new Al Quaeda strategy is to encourage attacks like these, lone-wolf attacks. Much easier than trying to duplicate something on the scale of 9/11. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2013 12:47:34 GMT -5
Amazing what mind-viruses are capable of making humans do, isn't it?
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Post by Cranky on Apr 19, 2013 13:12:25 GMT -5
CH, you're not wrong. Catholicism has done more than its fair share of cleansing, and killing in the name of, over the centuries. The fundamentalist extremists are playing catch up now because they're better funded. It's just as sinister too. A thousand years ago, you had the Pope, and Cardinals, sending weak-minded 'believers' to death for God. These Popes and Cardinals would never pick up a sword themselves. With al-Quaeda you have a largely Saudi funded outfit. Follow the money. Somewhere, there's a billionaire sheik or two pulling the strings. They brainwash some weak-minded people to do their bidding. This time the sword is a bomb. Inflation for 1000 years I guess. Cranky, from a 'tactical' point of view the 9/11 attacks were a surgical strike. Crazy, fanatical, etc. But, done with military precision against a target that represented the financial well-being of the US. If you disassociate yourself from it, and take their POV, it 'made sense'. An attack on DC would 'make sense'. There was nothing random about 9/11. It was planned over several years - at least. If it was a number of attacks of the scale of Monday done at the same time in different locations, I could see it being surgically planned. I'm not saying these brothers didn't plan anything. I just think they acted alone. I may be wrong. I agree on 9/11 and the lone wolf current one. We are a very vulnerable society. If you have the mindset, intelligence and reasonable funding you can cause a lot of terror. I'm not sure if we have been lucky so far or the human garbage is not that bright. BTW....when I searching for wind farm sites, I routinely got the grid schematics of an entire region. All I did was create an account and request it. They had a department set up for that. In their rush to shove greenwashing energy down our throat, they never bothered to think what would happen in the wrong hands. I encrypted it on my laptop......while they were handing them out like big mac coupons. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 19, 2013 18:44:28 GMT -5
Frankfurt International is very well armed. Automatic weapons and armoured vests the norm. Found out about this when I was in Cuba. I was watching CNN just as the story broke. Arrived back into Canada, 1 AM yesterday morning and people were still talking about it waiting to go through customs. I also found it nteresting that everyone I talked to seemed to be current in their info. Noted that the Taliban were quick to deny any involvement. That's a good thing. Initial rumours included North Korean involvement. That's a stretch-and-a-half. NK wouldn't have the stones, or brains for that matter, to pull off something like this. Cheers. You know when you have to worry about losing it? When you land in Frankfurt and you write its Stuttgart! Yeeshhh... Its certainly well armed. I just can't figure out how you can keep such a vast complex safe. All you need is a fistful of explosives in tons and tons of foodstuffs daily. Meanwhile, amma'gonna go find my brain. Thought I was the only one on that, buds. ;D My experiences have shown me that if you project the right presence, potential problems suddenly solve themselves. I wouldn't take on any of the Frankfurt security forces. They pack heavy and they have no problem showing you that. You're right about the size. It's massive and I wonder just how many security cameras there are. Any blind spots? How many operators are watching those consols? It would have to be a vast security system in order to be effective. Oh yeah, there's the security force that's packing HK's MP5's. They probably won't have to use them too often. Just going up against them would be a stupid thing to do. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2013 18:47:03 GMT -5
If it was a number of attacks of the scale of Monday done at the same time in different locations, I could see it being surgically planned. I'm not saying these brothers didn't plan anything. I just think they acted alone. I may be wrong. I have no experience in this matter either, but it seems to me to be a lone-wolf scenario as well. The fact that they tried to get away, but in a tragically comical kind of way (carjack, robbing a convenience store) suggests to me they had no "community" support. Nobody to house them, fund them, etcetera. Also, I've done a couple of races, and it seems to me that a "pro" for lack of a better word would have targeted the start of the race, and not the finish. Here is a picture of the start line: Imagine a bomb going off there? The pandemonium? The people that would be trampled to death? Again, talking out of my you-know-what here, but the whole operation seems rather amateurish to me. Not belittling it by any means, but this doesn't seem like a well-organized super-plot. Now having said that, the new Al Quaeda strategy is to encourage attacks like these, lone-wolf attacks. Much easier than trying to duplicate something on the scale of 9/11. I heard on theScore that the average finish at last year's race was 4 hours 10 minutes (or was it 3 hours 10 minutes?). In any event, the blast happen 2 minutes off the average time. Which some are pointing to to suggest, that there was some planning, and it was the best time to get the most people at the finish line. Mathematically, I don't agree with it .... But it has some logic to it, I guess. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 19, 2013 19:05:24 GMT -5
Imagine a bomb going off there? The pandemonium? The people that would be trampled to death? The movie "Black Sunday" was released in 1977 (IMDB.com). Terrorists hijack one of the Goodyear blimps and they intended to use it to wipe out thousands at the Super Bowl. The concept of this sort of thing has been around for A good point, BC. After seeing the photos of the two suspects, they didn't look any different than any other teenagers. One other thing that makes me shake my head is the lack of media integrity. CNN has been giving a play-by-play, sure, but it's turning into a bad drama. I found that they were willing to report on rumours and hearsay earlier in the process. Everyone wants to be the first to report the scoop whether it's substantiated or not. Very poor journalism on CNN's part. Cheers. |
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