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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 8:02:52 GMT -5
So it's legal to sell possibly incriminating evidence. I'll keep that in mind next time I want to blackmail a politician. Unless they've contacted Ford with a "pay us or we go public", I don't think it's blackmail. In this case, it's more like the Watergate "deep throat" scenario. Not sure if "deep throat" was paid by the Washington Post or not. No, in this case you're right. I was mostly being cynical. I mean, take a look! It's the ultimate "get rich quick" scheme! Would be interesting if Ford was the highest bidder. |
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Post by Skilly on May 19, 2013 8:26:24 GMT -5
From listening to those who have seen the video, it would appear that, in this latest instance, the evidence is there....it just hasn't been bought. I wonder who will get to it first. So it's legal to sell possibly incriminating evidence. I'll keep that in mind next time I want to blackmail a politician. That's why the Toronto Star and Gawker haven't bought it .... There is an ethical dilemma about buying "news" off of criminals and sets a dangerous precedent. Gawker is attempting to raise the money from the public and reportedly has close to $60,000 raised. A local radio station here offers $500 for their "news tip" of the year. (I think it's year, could be week or month though) .... So it's not like the media does not buy news. |
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Post by Cranky on May 19, 2013 12:07:09 GMT -5
Day 4...
Until that tape surfaces, if ever, obviously Ford is guilty......until proven guiltier.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 19, 2013 15:56:42 GMT -5
Day 4... Until that tape surfaces, if ever, obviously Ford is guilty......until proven guiltier. This is what irks me. The guy is a target. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on May 19, 2013 17:42:13 GMT -5
Day 4... Until that tape surfaces, if ever, obviously Ford is guilty......until proven guiltier. This is what irks me. The guy is a target. Cheers. He is a target only because he has denied each allegation at first, only to eventually later to admit to it .... When confronted, fight and give the truth. Why hide it if there is nothing wrong with what he did? |
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Post by Cranky on May 20, 2013 4:26:14 GMT -5
This is what irks me. The guy is a target. Cheers. He is a target only because he has denied each allegation at first, only to eventually later to admit to it .... When confronted, fight and give the truth. Really? Which ones? He won every court case despite the incessant leftist colonoscopy. Why hide it if there is nothing wrong with what he did? Huh? This doesn't make sense. |
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Post by Skilly on May 20, 2013 12:19:17 GMT -5
He is a target only because he has denied each allegation at first, only to eventually later to admit to it .... When confronted, fight and give the truth. Really? Which ones? He won every court case despite the incessant leftist colonoscopy. Why hide it if there is nothing wrong with what he did? Huh? This doesn't make sense. Did he not deny that he was charged with drunk driving in Florida. Then admitted it when confronted with the evidence? Was he not drunk and caused a ruckus at a Toronto Maple Leafs game. When asked about it by a National Post reporter, he denied being at the game? The same thing with the football team. He denied doing it until the evidence was before him. You say he "won", but he still had to pay the money back. There are others too ... I'm sure. Maybe we need a list of the history. As an outsider, there certainly seems to be a pattern here. Now, admittedly, I not familiar in the least with Toronto politics ... But from what I read in the newspapers, he has a habit of deny deny deny, than when finally shown the evidence he admits it. |
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Post by franko on May 20, 2013 12:35:36 GMT -5
the funny thing is that those who are yelling the loudest to leave poor Justin Trudeau alone seem to be at the forefront of the crucify ford movement.
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Post by Disp on May 20, 2013 15:34:02 GMT -5
Ouch, must have been high.  |
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Post by Cranky on May 20, 2013 16:05:32 GMT -5
Really? Which ones? He won every court case despite the incessant leftist colonoscopy. Huh? This doesn't make sense. Did he not deny that he was charged with drunk driving in Florida. Then admitted it when confronted with the evidence? Was he not drunk and caused a ruckus at a Toronto Maple Leafs game. When asked about it by a National Post reporter, he denied being at the game? The same thing with the football team. He denied doing it until the evidence was before him. You say he "won", but he still had to pay the money back. There are others too ... I'm sure. Maybe we need a list of the history. As an outsider, there certainly seems to be a pattern here. Now, admittedly, I not familiar in the least with Toronto politics ... But from what I read in the newspapers, he has a habit of deny deny deny, than when finally shown the evidence he admits it. All those comments.....but without being the least familiar of what is going on here. What football thing did he deny? The word deny isn't relevant to that. He refused to pay for a partisan derived "fine" that was equivalent in value given to charity based on him using his official stationary. Then that became a basis to remove him from office. Then there was the ass grabbing that he denied.....but never happened. Another genuine set up, in fact, the woman who claimed her ass was grabbed wanted to bring him to a hotel room with a good looking woman to claim he assaulted her. Yeah, that bad. I don't think you have any idea what is going on here. Politics in TO is a blood sport that if you are not the right kind of person with the right kind of politics running for or in office, then they should be hunted down like a rat. They make KKK lyncher envious. There is no limit to what they will do. Possibly including this video thingy. |
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Post by Cranky on May 20, 2013 16:45:45 GMT -5
the funny thing is that those who are yelling the loudest to leave poor Justin Trudeau alone seem to be at the forefront of the crucify ford movement. You mean political lynch mobs..... I'm no angel in partisan politics, but since when did a significant part of the population go for politically lynching people? Are we marching to the Paris Hilton puppy stroking world? |
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Post by Cranky on May 21, 2013 11:44:26 GMT -5
I wondered, if this isn't real, why isn't Ford screaming from the rooftops that he will sue Pravda.......well,it looks like it's a one way street. Anyone want to get into politics? Particularly if you are not towing the lefty media line? From the National Post.....open season on politicians with impunity. Q Could he sue for libel? The U.S. website Gawker — which broke the story — has made declarations that appear downright reckless compared to the cautiously phrased news reports in Canada. Which would be the more likely target?
A Suing is risky, perhaps more so in the United States than Canada, as the jurisprudence on libelling public figures is different. In Canada, truth is an absolute defense to libel, so if an accused media can demonstrate the truth of its reporting, it is off the hook. There is also a new standard, recently set by the Supreme Court of Canada, known as responsible communication on matters of public interest, according to which even false allegations can be saved from libel claims, if they were fairly reported with opportunities for rebuttal or denial. But in the United States, ever since a civil rights era case between the New York Times and a Southern police chief, the burden of proof has shifted from the defendant to the public figure, who must prove the falsehood of the allegations. That case enshrined the principle that a public figure must prove the alleged defamation was done with “actual malice,” which means either knowledge it was false or reckless disregard for the possibility. In a nation that made free speech its first constitutional amendment, that is a high bar.news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/20/even-if-alleged-video-of-rob-ford-smoking-crack-surfaces-the-city-cant-force-him-to-resign/ |
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Post by CentreHice on May 21, 2013 16:52:31 GMT -5
I don't know why Ford isn't screaming innocence PERIOD if he is indeed innocent. That goes for anyone so wrongfully accused.
What I'd be saying is, "I have never smoked crack. I have neither been, nor would ever be, in the company of anyone who would be involved in the scenario described. I'd LOVE to see the video. I'd WELCOME seeing it. It's nothing but a defamatory hoax with the sole intent to ruin my career and make money. The police are now on the case. These criminals will be found!"
That's what I would've SHOUTED from the rooftops at minute ONE.....if I was innocent.
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Post by Cranky on May 22, 2013 13:01:59 GMT -5
I don't know why Ford isn't screaming innocence PERIOD if he is indeed innocent. That goes for anyone so wrongfully accused. What I'd be saying is, "I have never smoked crack. I have neither been, nor would ever be, in the company of anyone who would be involved in the scenario described. I'd LOVE to see the video. I'd WELCOME seeing it. It's nothing but a defamatory hoax with the sole intent to ruin my career and make money. The police are now on the case. These criminals will be found!" That's what I would've SHOUTED from the rooftops at minute ONE.....if I was innocent. Good luck with that. Apparently, the media are hunting the Fords down everywhere they go. Their kids, their mother, anyone associated with them......their cottage, the mall, everywhere. Where is the outrage? Are we expecting the media who are doing this to turn on themselves? No matter how much the Fords scream, the media want their pound of flesh. They accused him of beating his football players, it was an outright lie and yet, the Star did not pay a price for it. They reported that he "grabbed ass", it came out that the crazy claimer wanted to go further and get him into a room with a woman to claim that he, well, who knows what she would claim. And what happened? NOTHING. There is a proven pattern of behavior here by those with an agenda. There is also a proven pattern of no repercussions to whatever they say or do. Say anything you want, stalk him, stalk his family, it's okay, it's only a right wing white, straight fat guy. |
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Post by jkr on May 23, 2013 15:26:40 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on May 26, 2013 22:20:35 GMT -5
So where is the video? An awful lot of disappointed lynch mobs left holding the rope.
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Post by Cranky on May 26, 2013 22:21:52 GMT -5
If my chief of staff advised me to play the victim even if I didn't do something, I would of fired him too...after I punched his face in. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 26, 2013 22:53:57 GMT -5
So where is the video? An awful lot of disappointed lynch mobs left holding the rope. One of the sentiments out there (and it might be "out there") is that there likely is/was a video...because of the length of time Ford went without saying anything more than "It's ridiculous."...and that it was just another personal attack by the Star. That vague comment led to legitimate speculation that he was biding his time until he absolutely knew there was no video. What an embarrassing circus in all respects. |
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Post by franko on May 27, 2013 6:11:09 GMT -5
Ford came up with the 200G first and it was conveniently lost. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2013 9:47:58 GMT -5
Ford came up with the 200G first and it was conveniently lost. So now, if you can't go after the Mayor, you go after his brother. Absolute disgraceful media reporting. Ford's brother sold hashishHonestly, if I were a Torontonian, I'd vote for Ford right now. This turning into the most counterproductive smear campaign in history. Cheers. |
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Post by Polarice on May 27, 2013 10:53:09 GMT -5
Ford came up with the 200G first and it was conveniently lost. So now, if you can't go after the Mayor, you go after his brother. Absolute disgraceful media reporting. Ford's brother sold hashishHonestly, if I were a Torontonian, I'd vote for Ford right now. This turning into the most counterproductive smear campaign in history. Cheers. Its hard to tell if this is real anymore....feels like we are watching something on HBO. |
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Post by Cranky on May 27, 2013 11:09:30 GMT -5
The media looks more like these guys....and really inept at lynching....
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Post by Cranky on May 27, 2013 11:10:45 GMT -5
Ford came up with the 200G first and it was conveniently lost. So now, if you can't go after the Mayor, you go after his brother. Absolute disgraceful media reporting. Ford's brother sold hashishHonestly, if I were a Torontonian, I'd vote for Ford right now. This turning into the most counterproductive smear campaign in history. Cheers. Do you really need anything more then 'our sources" to spin a story? |
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Post by jkr on May 27, 2013 11:11:12 GMT -5
Ford came up with the 200G first and it was conveniently lost. So now, if you can't go after the Mayor, you go after his brother. Absolute disgraceful media reporting. Ford's brother sold hashishHonestly, if I were a Torontonian, I'd vote for Ford right now. This turning into the most counterproductive smear campaign in history. Cheers. I heard the editor of The Globe this morning. They are standing firm behind this story. They have a number of sources who they say are afraid to go public. This isn't a paper at the level of the National Enquirer. This is a newspaper with a national reputation. They are not going to risk that , not to mention lawsuits, for something they feel is fictitious. I know Ford is angry but getting on the radio & calling the media maggots & threatning to call out councillors is not going to get things moving forward. |
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Post by Cranky on May 27, 2013 11:11:53 GMT -5
Ford came up with the 200G first and it was conveniently lost. Are you missing the rolling eyes gif or are you serious? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2013 11:40:37 GMT -5
I know Ford is angry but getting on the radio & calling the media maggots & threatning to call out councillors is not going to get things moving forward. For sure ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on May 27, 2013 11:54:51 GMT -5
A number of sources but are afraid to go public.....makes no sense. Ford is not don Corleone. So "they are afraid" is complete nonsense. More likely the sources are drug dealers or people whose words would not be worth a damn but now, they are "sources". The Star had the video. Big splash. CTV had the Duffy story. Big Splash. Poor Globe and Mail, they had nothing to get attention until they created $ome. Welcome to the news as it's created......Enquirer style. Canadian news direction...........and "secret sources"...  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2013 12:00:23 GMT -5
So now, if you can't go after the Mayor, you go after his brother. Absolute disgraceful media reporting. Ford's brother sold hashishHonestly, if I were a Torontonian, I'd vote for Ford right now. This turning into the most counterproductive smear campaign in history. Cheers. Do you really need anything more then 'our sources" to spin a story? Sounds like the plot for another bad CBC movie. Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on May 27, 2013 17:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on May 27, 2013 20:47:35 GMT -5
A number of sources but are afraid to go public.....makes no sense. Ford is not don Corleone. So "they are afraid" is complete nonsense. More likely the sources are drug dealers or people whose words would not be worth a damn but now, they are "sources". The Star had the video. Big splash. CTV had the Duffy story. Big Splash. Poor Globe and Mail, they had nothing to get attention until they created $ome. Welcome to the news as it's created......Enquirer style. Canadian news direction...........and "secret sources"... It does make sense that they are afraid to go public now that the police are investigating a murder that "sources" say is linked to that video. |
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