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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2013 11:19:59 GMT -5
www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/06/30-thoughts-nhl-buyouts-no-sure-thing.htmlPer Elliot Friedman. Apparently Yzerman is willing to throw in a pick in the deal as compensation. Malone has two years left on his deal. Cap hit is $4.5 million, but actual salary is $2.5 million per for the last two years of the deal. If Clowe and Clarkson are two pricey, how about Malone? 33 years old. Capable of 20g in a season. Age and injuries would be something of a concern, but he can still play a strong physical game. Commitment is much less than it would be for Clarkson or Clowe. Malone is the type of player teams would have interest in at the deadline if things don't work.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2013 12:57:03 GMT -5
Tampa is also considering using a compliance buy-out on Lecavalier ... I can't shake these eerie feelings that we end up with him on the cheap (say 2 million) and we don't leave the draft with three second round selections ...
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2013 13:18:07 GMT -5
Tampa is also considering using a compliance buy-out on Lecavalier ... I can't shake these eerie feelings that we end up with him on the cheap (say 2 million) and we don't leave the draft with three second round selections ... Apparently the Leafs and Bolts attempted to do a run around of the cap, and it's been quickly vetoed. Leafs were going to take Vinny in trade, buy him out, and the Bolts were going to re-sign him on the cheap. Compensation would have been in picks, though it's unclear what. Next years first perhaps. It's an awful sum of money to pay for a pick. The league has amended the CBA to stipulate that any player bought out cannot sign their next contract with the team that bought them out. Re Malone, I'd be interested if the price were right. Would they take Moen back? Less actual salary by 700k and $2.7 million less in cap space. I'd want a 3rd rounder or better back as compensation for the cap relief. Maybe Berg could work RFA Weber into the deal? Bolts are old on the blue line. |
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 26, 2013 13:18:51 GMT -5
Malone has 2 years left at $4.5 per, so i dont think anyone is going to trade for him. If he is bought out and we can sign him for about half that price then i'd consider it.
I don't see Lecavalier being bought out...not this year. But if he is he won't sign for $2 million per. He's still a productive player and could easily get $4+ per season...he's just not worth $7.7 million for another half dozen years.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2013 13:37:20 GMT -5
That's his cap hit, but his actual salary is $2.5 million. If the Bolts are truly willing to throw in a decent pick to move him it could be worth looking at.
Clarkson and Clowe aren't going to sign anywhere for less than 4 years. Both are likely going to get big bucks because of the slim market. $5 million a year for each isn't out of the question. Imagine a 6 year $30 million commitment to either player. With Malone, you get a player near the end of that deal. You could even get a solid pick out of it. Malone and a third for .... ? Remember, this is a salary dump for the Bolts. They're not looking for big return. Meanwhile, if things doing go really well, you've got a player that would attract interest at a deadline for sure.
Malone has a LNMC, but it ends on Jul 1.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2013 14:03:53 GMT -5
Re Malone, I'd be interested if the price were right. Would they take Moen back? Less actual salary by 700k and $2.7 million less in cap space. I'd want a 3rd rounder or better back as compensation for the cap relief. Maybe Berg could work RFA Weber into the deal? Bolts are old on the blue line. I think that could work. Have always hated Malone because of what he has done to Hab players, but would love to have him on the team. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 26, 2013 14:39:29 GMT -5
Tampa is also considering using a compliance buy-out on Lecavalier ... I can't shake these eerie feelings that we end up with him on the cheap (say 2 million) and we don't leave the draft with three second round selections ... Apparently the Leafs and Bolts attempted to do a run around of the cap, and it's been quickly vetoed. Leafs were going to take Vinny in trade, buy him out, and the Bolts were going to re-sign him on the cheap. Compensation would have been in picks, though it's unclear what. Next years first perhaps. It's an awful sum of money to pay for a pick. The league has amended the CBA to stipulate that any player bought out cannot sign their next contract with the team that bought them out. Re Malone, I'd be interested if the price were right. Would they take Moen back? Less actual salary by 700k and $2.7 million less in cap space. I'd want a 3rd rounder or better back as compensation for the cap relief. Maybe Berg could work RFA Weber into the deal? Bolts are old on the blue line. I don't pretend to understand the buyout stuff but this seems really onerous - 30 million over 14 years. Here is capgeek's numbers to buyout VL: capgeek.com/buyout-calculator/?player_id=884&buyout_y=2013&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=27Would the Leafs be dumb enough to take that on for picks? |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2013 16:13:49 GMT -5
I don't really get it either jkr. I mean, we know Rogers and Bell have deep pockets. But, is a high pick worth $30 million over 14 years? Who's to say what that pick would be too. I can't see the Bolts eager to part with Drouin, for example, just to be free of Lecavalier.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2013 17:07:57 GMT -5
Tampa is also considering using a compliance buy-out on Lecavalier ... I can't shake these eerie feelings that we end up with him on the cheap (say 2 million) and we don't leave the draft with three second round selections ...
The league has amended the CBA to stipulate that any player bought out cannot sign their next contract with the team that bought them out. Re Malone, I'd be interested if the price were right. Would they take Moen back? Less actual salary by 700k and $2.7 million less in cap space. I'd want a 3rd rounder or better back as compensation for the cap relief. Maybe Berg could work RFA Weber into the deal? Bolts are old on the blue line. lol...GMs will think of every trick in the book. If they want to buy out Vinny that bad perhaps Habs can throw them a player for Vinny and get third overall pick? |
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 26, 2013 17:55:30 GMT -5
That's his cap hit, but his actual salary is $2.5 million. If the Bolts are truly willing to throw in a decent pick to move him it could be worth looking at. That could potentially make him more attractive to a cap floor team, but to the Habs i dont think it means anything. Somebody suggested Moen for Malone and i think that makes some sense. We add a little over $2.5 to our cap but get someone who is a little more suited to playing a top 9 role and like you say the commitment is only 2 years with Malone. Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Bourque Malone-Eller-Gionta Prust-UFA 4th C-White |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 26, 2013 18:34:40 GMT -5
Malone is 33 years old now, so two years might be the right term. He has a history of injuries, but those are mainly due to the way he plays. If he could get Pacioretty to play a bigger game it would be worth it just on that.
If the draft pick is decent, then I suspect a lot of teams would be interested.
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2013 18:38:19 GMT -5
Malone is 33 years old now, so two years might be the right term. He has a history of injuries, but those are mainly due to the way he plays. If he could get Pacioretty to play a bigger game it would be worth it just on that. If the draft pick is decent, then I suspect a lot of teams would be interested. Cheers. Looks like he is slower too. Pass on this one. 4.5 million cap hit should bring us good player |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2013 18:40:24 GMT -5
That's his cap hit, but his actual salary is $2.5 million. If the Bolts are truly willing to throw in a decent pick to move him it could be worth looking at. That could potentially make him more attractive to a cap floor team, but to the Habs i dont think it means anything. Somebody suggested Moen for Malone and i think that makes some sense. We add a little over $2.5 to our cap but get someone who is a little more suited to playing a top 9 role and like you say the commitment is only 2 years with Malone. Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Bourque Malone-Eller-Gionta Prust-UFA 4th C-White The Moen idea was me. It all depends on what Tampa wants in return. Malone can contribute some offensively. He won't likely play 82 games, given his track record, but he should be able to put up in the area of 20 goals. Add in his physical play, and it's a pretty well rounded addition imo. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2013 18:44:03 GMT -5
Moen has no-trade clause. Insisted on it when he signed here. Didn't want to move
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2013 19:02:57 GMT -5
Moen has no-trade clause. Insisted on it when he signed here. Didn't want to move Crap. lol |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2013 21:04:26 GMT -5
Moen has a Modified NTC .... Which means he has submitted a list a teams (up to 7 I think) he wont accept a trade to
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Post by Cranky on Jun 26, 2013 22:46:54 GMT -5
Malone.....adds sandpaper but at 33, I don't want well used sandpaper. The kind of game he plays, he's 21 in dog years so I really don't want to bring him here.
Unless the sweetener rotted teeth on contact.....pass.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 27, 2013 6:05:43 GMT -5
Moen has a Modified NTC .... Which means he has submitted a list a teams (up to 7 I think) he wont accept a trade to Am I the only one that wants to keep Moen? Sure, he was somewhat disappointing last year, but that happens. One year does not a career make. Surround him with some other big guys and I still think he can be a very useful player. Part of the bigger picture, as it were. Its not always measured in fights or crushing hits. Sometimes just having to go against wave after wave of 215lbs players leaning on you in the corner or in front of the net is tiring enough. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 27, 2013 8:08:08 GMT -5
Moen has a Modified NTC .... Which means he has submitted a list a teams (up to 7 I think) he wont accept a trade to Am I the only one that wants to keep Moen? Sure, he was somewhat disappointing last year, but that happens. One year does not a career make. Surround him with some other big guys and I still think he can be a very useful player. Part of the bigger picture, as it were. Its not always measured in fights or crushing hits. Sometimes just having to go against wave after wave of 215lbs players leaning on you in the corner or in front of the net is tiring enough. At 1.8 million, good playoff performer...he's alright on my team |
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