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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 25, 2013 15:00:08 GMT -5
MB and a Big SplashWe would have to absorb salary for a first line player and not sure if we can, unless Gio is going the other way.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 25, 2013 15:41:41 GMT -5
The East looked soft last year and we did nothing ... I expect the same this year.
The Fourth Period is hardly ever right
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Post by Polarice on Nov 25, 2013 15:45:09 GMT -5
The East looked soft last year and we did nothing ... I expect the same this year. The Fourth Period is hardly ever right Actually they are quoting Hockey Central. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 25, 2013 16:55:01 GMT -5
The East looked soft last year and we did nothing ... I expect the same this year. The Fourth Period is hardly ever right They are late too. Vanek & Moulson are gone. And without Taveres to set him up Moulson has just 2 goals in 12 games with the Sabres. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 25, 2013 17:43:50 GMT -5
I'd be more focused on the back end.
How about Gionta or Rene Bourque and maybe a prospect to Columbus for James Wisniewski? The Jackets have solid depth on D with Murray, Johnson, and Tyutin, but they need offense. Either Gionta or Bourque would help them until Horton gets back. I liked Wisniewski when he was here and would have liked to keep him. He's 29 years old and has 3+ years at $5.5 million a year.
Markov/Subban
Emelin/Wisniewski
That's a playoff worthy top 4.
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2013 18:26:22 GMT -5
I'd be more focused on the back end. How about Gionta or Rene Bourque and maybe a prospect to Columbus for James Wisniewski? The Jackets have solid depth on D with Murray, Johnson, and Tyutin, but they need offense. Either Gionta or Bourque would help them until Horton gets back. I liked Wisniewski when he was here and would have liked to keep him. He's 29 years old and has 3+ years at $5.5 million a year. Markov/Subban Emelin/Wisniewski That's a playoff worthy top 4. Where is Gorges? I don't think we can add a defender that expensive without moving Gorges. Bourque is going to be tough to move. The only way I see it is if he's part of a deal bringing us an overpaid underachieving player (kinda like the deal with Cammy). I think Gionta has the greatest value at the deadline. Leader, proven playoff winner, etc. He's a guy you move for the best return when the playoff teams have been more or less sorted out and the top tier are looking for complimentary guys that could put them over. |
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2013 18:34:09 GMT -5
The East looked soft last year and we did nothing ... I expect the same this year. The Fourth Period is hardly ever right They are late too. Vanek & Moulson are gone. And without Taveres to set him up Moulson has just 2 goals in 12 games with the Sabres. IMO they're only late if they were at all interested in either player. Moulson's a good player - very Ryder like. Did he benefit from Tavares? Sure. Who's he got to set up plays in Buffalo? *insert sound of crickets here* All that being said, he's got 18 points in 23 games. Nine points for each club. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 25, 2013 18:38:50 GMT -5
I'd be more focused on the back end. How about Gionta or Rene Bourque and maybe a prospect to Columbus for James Wisniewski? The Jackets have solid depth on D with Murray, Johnson, and Tyutin, but they need offense. Either Gionta or Bourque would help them until Horton gets back. I liked Wisniewski when he was here and would have liked to keep him. He's 29 years old and has 3+ years at $5.5 million a year. Markov/Subban Emelin/Wisniewski That's a playoff worthy top 4. I wish we had never let that guy go |
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2013 18:44:46 GMT -5
I'd be more focused on the back end. How about Gionta or Rene Bourque and maybe a prospect to Columbus for James Wisniewski? The Jackets have solid depth on D with Murray, Johnson, and Tyutin, but they need offense. Either Gionta or Bourque would help them until Horton gets back. I liked Wisniewski when he was here and would have liked to keep him. He's 29 years old and has 3+ years at $5.5 million a year. Markov/Subban Emelin/Wisniewski That's a playoff worthy top 4. I wish we had never let that guy go Wiz is a good player, but I don't think he's a $5 million defender. Columbus overpaid to get him, and if it was going to take that much from Montreal, I don't mind passing. IMO he's a $4 million player tops. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 25, 2013 20:27:55 GMT -5
They are late too. Vanek & Moulson are gone. And without Taveres to set him up Moulson has just 2 goals in 12 games with the Sabres. IMO they're only late if they were at all interested in either player. Moulson's a good player - very Ryder like. Did he benefit from Tavares? Sure. Who's he got to set up plays in Buffalo? *insert sound of crickets here* All that being said, he's got 18 points in 23 games. Nine points for each club. I wouldn't mind Moulson on a line with chuky and larry. Then when chuky is moved to centre moulson goes with him. |
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2013 20:46:24 GMT -5
IMO they're only late if they were at all interested in either player. Moulson's a good player - very Ryder like. Did he benefit from Tavares? Sure. Who's he got to set up plays in Buffalo? *insert sound of crickets here* All that being said, he's got 18 points in 23 games. Nine points for each club. I wouldn't mind Moulson on a line with chuky and larry. Then when chuky is moved to centre moulson goes with him. I like him as well. He's likely looking at a 5 year $25-30 million contract offer from at least one team this summer. I think we'd have to shed some salary and make room. Presuming Bourque could be part of the deal, what else would it take? His two years remaining could be considered something of a curse. Still, his cap hit isn't huge and his actual salary drops quite a bit next year. I just feel like we'd have to add too much to make it worth while. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 26, 2013 0:22:40 GMT -5
A big splash is not always a good thing. Ask Greg Louganis. We can improve by getting rid of overpaid aging veterans. Keep the young talent that is producing, bring up Tinordi and Beaulieu and whichever young forward is filling the nets, lots to choose from. Our best players are the young guys, hustling to get to loose pucks, fighting for position and producing results. I am tired of watching Moen and Briere shooting from the perimeter.
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Post by blny on Nov 26, 2013 6:47:41 GMT -5
A big splash is not always a good thing. Ask Greg Louganis. We can improve by getting rid of overpaid aging veterans. It's a good thing I read that with a glass of OJ handy. Suddenly, I'm very thirsty.  lol I don't think anyone is saying sacrifice the youth. If you can find a club looking to shed an expiring contract, who's willing to take some salary back, maybe you accomplish what you're looking for (shed dead weight and upgrade talent). |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 26, 2013 15:18:11 GMT -5
A big splash is not always a good thing. Ask Greg Louganis. We can improve by getting rid of overpaid aging veterans. Keep the young talent that is producing, bring up Tinordi and Beaulieu and whichever young forward is filling the nets, lots to choose from. Our best players are the young guys, hustling to get to loose pucks, fighting for position and producing results. I am tired of watching Moen and Briere shooting from the perimeter. I'd like to think there are other teams, in addition to Montreal, who are looking for big, impact wingers. If so, then it's a sellers market. I like the idea of shedding some salary. According to nhlnumbers.com there are a few salaries I'd consider moving. I always respected what Brian Gionta brings to the table. However, I never really accepted him as our captain. I know Rene Bourque's name has already been mentioned and I wouldn't have a problem moving him either. I'd also entertain moving DD's contract out, as well. What causes me a bit of concern is, just how much removing these guys would affect the team's chemistry? I suspect all three of these guys are well respected in the dressing room. Still, if it's the cost of moving forward ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 26, 2013 16:14:48 GMT -5
I wish we had never let that guy go Wiz is a good player, but I don't think he's a $5 million defender. Columbus overpaid to get him, and if it was going to take that much from Montreal, I don't mind passing. IMO he's a $4 million player tops. is having an outstanding year in Columbus, but at $5.5 million I don't know if there'd be any (fiscal) room for him. One scenario might mean to drop Markov's salary and replacing it with Wiz's. I really don't like that idea because, despite his moderate numbers (when compared to Wiz), I feel Markov brings a lot more to the table. The biggest thing, for me anyway, is that we tend to win a lot more when he's in the lineup than when he's not there. He's also the one of two d-men on the current roster who would know how to properly tutor young defenceman. Now, I'm not saying Wiz isn't a good mentor, I just don't see where the room would be for him in Montreal. The other scenario would be to retain Markov and add Wiz's $5.5 million to the current payroll. The problem there would be to make enough room for Subban's deal, which might just be the most lucrative in le club's history. Adding Wiz's salary to the payroll just makes things more complicated, IMHO. Columbus is getting their money's worth out of Wiz but I just don't see the fit in Montreal at this time. Has everything to do with numbers. Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 26, 2013 18:28:25 GMT -5
Wiz is a good player, but I don't think he's a $5 million defender. Columbus overpaid to get him, and if it was going to take that much from Montreal, I don't mind passing. IMO he's a $4 million player tops. is having an outstanding year in Columbus, but at $5.5 million I don't know if there'd be any (fiscal) room for him. One scenario might mean to drop Markov's salary and replacing it with Wiz's. I really don't like that idea because, despite his moderate numbers (when compared to Wiz), I feel Markov brings a lot more to the table. The biggest thing, for me anyway, is that we tend to win a lot more when he's in the lineup than when he's not there. He's also the one of two d-men on the current roster who would know how to properly tutor young defenceman. Now, I'm not saying Wiz isn't a good mentor, I just don't see where the room would be for him in Montreal. The other scenario would be to retain Markov and add Wiz's $5.5 million to the current payroll. The problem there would be to make enough room for Subban's deal, which might just be the most lucrative in le club's history. Adding Wiz's salary to the payroll just makes things more complicated, IMHO. Columbus is getting their money's worth out of Wiz but I just don't see the fit in Montreal at this time. Has everything to do with numbers. Cheers. I must be an optimist, but here is my depth chart. Forwards Pacioretty Galchenyuk Plekanec Eller Desharnais Gionta Gallagher Prust Bournival Parros -plus- Hudon, Reway, Bozon, Leblanc, Andrighetto, Fournier, McCarron and a surprise Defense Subban, Markov, Gorges, Emelin -plus- Diaz, Murray, Boullion, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Thrower and a surprise Nets Price, Budaj -plus- Tokarski and Fucale At this point we don't need old guys acting as roadblocks to the development of the up and comers. Some of the above are role players who fill a specific need but the team can't give everyone 24 minutes a game and specialists are needed. I like that we have a lot of offensively gifted players. It's something we have needed for a long time. I would reware ice time to any young player that outworks Gallagher. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 26, 2013 21:24:54 GMT -5
690 said tonight teams are calling about Pacioretty.
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2013 21:37:34 GMT -5
690 said tonight teams are calling about Pacioretty. Figures. Nobody calla about the guys you don't want.  |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 26, 2013 21:39:29 GMT -5
690 said tonight teams are calling about Pacioretty. Figures. Nobody calla about the guys you don't want. They said Habs aren't shopping him but are listening. Didn't he just fire his agent? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 26, 2013 22:29:52 GMT -5
At this point we don't need old guys acting as roadblocks to the development of the up and comers. Some of the above are role players who fill a specific need but the team can't give everyone 24 minutes a game and specialists are needed. I like that we have a lot of offensively gifted players. It's something we have needed for a long time. I would reware ice time to any young player that outworks Gallagher. There are only a few veterans I'd move. And the youth movement seems to be well under way in the organization, as well. I'd like to see a bit more offensive potential in our prospects, though. The need for defensemen started under Gainey and Gauthier kept it going. Now, we're looking for big, offensive help ... like most organizations, I like to think. Bergevin brought in Parros and drafted McCarron. Is he finished for the year? Dunno ... As for Gallagher, I can see a letter on his jersey eventually. Probably not in the near future, but in the future nonetheless. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Nov 26, 2013 22:33:01 GMT -5
Never hurts to listen, but I don't see Max leaving unless it's for a huge return. A guy like Kane is a lateral move at best. For me, the only way it makes sense to move Max is in a deal that brings us in a massive talent.
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Post by PTH on Nov 26, 2013 23:42:28 GMT -5
I'm very open to Pacioretty getting traded. Doesn't play his size, and too often/easily injured.
Not saying I'd give him away, but he's less than the sum of his parts.
Still, we're weak on the wing, so we'd need to get back a similar caliber winger, and we can't be adding (much) salary either.
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Post by blny on Nov 27, 2013 9:09:09 GMT -5
I'm very open to Pacioretty getting traded. Doesn't play his size, and too often/easily injured. Not saying I'd give him away, but he's less than the sum of his parts. Still, we're weak on the wing, so we'd need to get back a similar caliber winger, and we can't be adding (much) salary either. Something to keep in mind, that imo ups Max's value in trade, is his very attractive contract. He's locked in for 6 years at $4.5 million. He'll continue to be a 60-70pt player imo. I still believe he can be more, and as he's just entering his prime we'll see if he can. Imagine if the Sharks got their teeth in him and he got to play with Couture, or the Pens and Crosby. That kind of salary amount and his production are why teams are calling. Kane's never produced as much, though he might in a Habs uniform. His cap hit is 750k more though. Add in that Evander has demonstrated something of an attitude, and you just keep ticking boxes in Max's favor. Sure Max, could be more physical. I do think his physical play is linked to how well he's producing. Meaning, if he's scoring he's hitting more. Still, he's a top level power forward in the NHL and he's on a bargain contract. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 27, 2013 9:40:02 GMT -5
Habs obviously badly help on the RW. They have Gallagher as a productive player there and that’s it. Depending where Therrien puts him, the line he leaves become cold and the line he arrives on becomes hot…
I don’t see much scenarios where dealing Pacioretty could benefit the team. He’s big, has been for 3 years our best offensive player, obviously has leadership upsides and is on an amazingly affordable long contract… nobody is untouchable in my book but a deal including Pacioretty would have to give us one heck of an amazing return…
…personally one guy I’d sent feelers for is Lars Eller: after a good start of 4 goals, 6 points in 3 games, he only has 3 goals, 7 points in the last 19 and that includes a 1 goals, 3 points game… meaning in the other 18 games he got 2 goals 4 points… if we talk about a guy who’s less than the sum of his parts… I’m thinking his value is probably at a peak right now. He could probably fetch us a top 6 winger.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 27, 2013 9:57:04 GMT -5
I'd be inclined to keep Pacioretty myself, but if he is dealt I would expect it to be a blockbuster along the lines of what Colorado and St. Louis pulled off a couple of years ago:
Traded from Colorado Avalanche Chris Stewart with Kevin Shattenkirk and round 2 pick in the 2011 draft (Ty Rattie) to St. Louis Blues for Jay McClement, Erik Johnson and round 1 pick in the 2011 draft (Duncan Siemens).
I don't know what the exact comparables would be, but I'm guessing it would have to be something like Pacioretty, Beaulieu and a 2nd round pick to Buffalo for say Tyler Myers, Ville Leino and a say a 2nd round (Buffalo's first will be too high).
I don't know if that would fly with either fan-base.
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Post by blny on Nov 27, 2013 10:30:12 GMT -5
Habs obviously badly help on the RW. They have Gallagher as a productive player there and that’s it. Depending where Therrien puts him, the line he leaves become cold and the line he arrives on becomes hot… I don’t see much scenarios where dealing Pacioretty could benefit the team. He’s big, has been for 3 years our best offensive player, obviously has leadership upsides and is on an amazingly affordable long contract… nobody is untouchable in my book but a deal including Pacioretty would have to give us one heck of an amazing return… …personally one guy I’d sent feelers for is Lars Eller: after a good start of 4 goals, 6 points in 3 games, he only has 3 goals, 7 points in the last 19 and that includes a 1 goals, 3 points game… meaning in the other 18 games he got 2 goals 4 points… if we talk about a guy who’s less than the sum of his parts… I’m thinking his value is probably at a peak right now. He could probably fetch us a top 6 winger. Eller's line has definitely been out of sync. IMO it started when Therrien started tinkering. Gallagher leaving that line didn't help. While we might have numbers at center we don't have a lot of bigger body depth. I agree that Eller's value is quite high though. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 27, 2013 10:57:32 GMT -5
Imagine if the Sharks got their teeth in him and he got to play with Couture, or the Pens and Crosby. This is what concerns me. Depending which centre he ends up with we could be giving away another John LeClair. Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 27, 2013 11:10:57 GMT -5
I'd be inclined to keep Pacioretty myself, but if he is dealt I would expect it to be a blockbuster along the lines of what Colorado and St. Louis pulled off a couple of years ago: Traded from Colorado Avalanche Chris Stewart with Kevin Shattenkirk and round 2 pick in the 2011 draft (Ty Rattie) to St. Louis Blues for Jay McClement, Erik Johnson and round 1 pick in the 2011 draft (Duncan Siemens).
I don't know what the exact comparables would be, but I'm guessing it would have to be something like Pacioretty, Beaulieu and a 2nd round pick to Buffalo for say Tyler Myers, Ville Leino and a say a 2nd round (Buffalo's first will be too high). I don't know if that would fly with either fan-base. I'd pass on the trade. Can't see Habs dealing Patches unless more to it than we know about |
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Post by franko on Nov 27, 2013 11:12:27 GMT -5
Imagine if the Sharks got their teeth in him and he got to play with Couture, or the Pens and Crosby. This is what concerns me. Depending which centre he ends up with we could be giving away another John LeClair. except John LeClair only became John LeClair when he left he Habs. we don't have the resources to make him one. an ongoing problem. this is a meatloaf team: too many bread crumbs and not enough meat. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 27, 2013 11:17:18 GMT -5
Teams are calling MB and asking about his availability Patches AvailabilityIMO, MB needs to focus on moving Bourque, Gio, BooBoo and Diaz before the deadline or sooner. Patches, with his relatively cheap contract is a bargain for any team. If he gets moved, we better get something really good back for him... not draft picks but a something that can join the big in a short time frame. And they better have size and skill. Would MB have traded Patches for Bobby Ryan? |
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