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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 23, 2014 12:34:15 GMT -5
Can't believe MT scratched Tinordi. It is so predictable and so stupid! So he messed up last game - I get that. But to put Murray in for Tinordi is just dumb. We were in trouble in our end every time Murray was out there. And does MT really think this helps tinordi's confidence. MT is such a moron. Amen to that. Every time I start to feel good about this team I take a look behind the bench and get depressed. Tinordi, I thought, was getting better every game, he was reacting better, the game seemed to be slowing down for him. Then he makes that mistake against Columbus (that was really Eller's fault!!) and he gets benched in favor of Doug Freaking Murray. My worst Corsi nightmare. Bergevin needs to have the stones to walk into MT's office and tell him to cut it with that nonsense. Tinordi has been playing outstanding hockey. He always was good defensively but now has an added dimension of offense. He brings size and nasty to a defense that lacks it. I also like Murray and Boo Boo. A race between Markov and Murray would be an interesting show between periods. Markov is a very smart defenseman who passed his best before data. Even a fraction of what he was is still good. I wasn't that impressed with Bourque. I give an assist to Reimer on the goal and his play leveled off after his goal. It should have propelled him to a great game. He ie sticking around to collect his paycheques, not the fire of a Gallagher. Moen won't score for another two months. bring on Bournival, Tinordi, Beaulieu. Vanek shows us that the skill level of our other forwards is well below his. We don't have a skilled forward like Kessel or a skilled top line like Toronto does. (I really hate to admit that, but it's true)
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 23, 2014 13:05:40 GMT -5
I always laugh when people say our team is better than your team and you only won because your goalie played better. Last time i checked the goalie is part of the team - in fact a critical part. If we chose to draft a top end goalie and pay him $6 million and the other team decides to trade away draft picks, sign average defenceman to $8 million contracts, and sign mediocre goaltenders at a minimum salary then that's each team's strategy. Live with it!
Speaking of goaltending, who starts the next 2 game(s)? Don't see Carey playing both back to back. i think we should aim at securing 2 points. That means loading up against Buff at home and starting Carey. Let Budaj play against the bs. If we win in beantown, unlikely given how they're playing, great but really can't afford to lose to the Bs and have Budaj stink out the joint against Buff. Must get 2 points!
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Post by christrpn on Mar 27, 2014 6:36:40 GMT -5
I think, if MB is not successful in signing Vanek in the off-season, he should trade Vaneks' negotiating right to Minnesota for Moulsons'. If Minnesota doesn't sign Moulson instead. If rumours are to be believed, it's practically a slam dunk that Vanek will sign with the Wild. So why would Minny give up any assets if all they have to do is wait until July 1, and break out the checkbook? Because they won't be able to afford both Moulson and Vanek. By giving them the right to negotiate before july 1st, they don't have to worry that a team gives him an offer he can't refuse. If Moulson believes that Vanek will go to Minnesota, he knows they can't afford him. He signs a deal elswhere, Vanek gets a crazy offer from a team like Edmonton(remember, he accepted that offer from Edmonton while he was a RFA in Buffalo). Now Minnesota is left with nothing. By giving Minnesota 3 extra weeks of negotiating by themselves, there is no chance of a bidding war.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 27, 2014 7:33:41 GMT -5
If rumours are to be believed, it's practically a slam dunk that Vanek will sign with the Wild. So why would Minny give up any assets if all they have to do is wait until July 1, and break out the checkbook? Because they won't be able to afford both Moulson and Vanek. By giving them the right to negotiate before july 1st, they don't have to worry that a team gives him an offer he can't refuse. If Moulson believes that Vanek will go to Minnesota, he knows they can't afford him. He signs a deal elswhere, Vanek gets a crazy offer from a team like Edmonton(remember, he accepted that offer from Edmonton while he was a RFA in Buffalo). Now Minnesota is left with nothing. By giving Minnesota 3 extra weeks of negotiating by themselves, there is no chance of a bidding war. I'm not sure Minny will sign Vanek. Moulson is working really well there. It is Vanek who has said he wanted to go there, I have not heard anything from the Wild (no tampering). If they can't sign both, why would they take Vanek when they have a proven commodity in Moulson.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 27, 2014 10:21:18 GMT -5
Perhaps a deal whereby we let Minn talk to Vanek and they let us talk to moulson. Do we want Moulson?
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 27, 2014 10:56:12 GMT -5
Perhaps a deal whereby we let Minn talk to Vanek and they let us talk to moulson. Do we want Moulson? How could he turn down a chance to be a Moulson Canadien? And... CUE
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 11:23:28 GMT -5
LOL. Funny stuff CH.
In reality, with the right moves, Berg could sign both.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 27, 2014 12:34:52 GMT -5
LOL. Funny stuff CH. In reality, with the right moves, Berg could sign both. I think that would mean both Gio (who I think should go) and Markov would have to walk. I think with PK, Vanek and Moulson, we would be over 20 mill in cap hit. The cap is going up 7, Makov and Gio bring 10. we would have to move Bourque (3.3) to come close to that goal.
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 12:52:01 GMT -5
LOL. Funny stuff CH. In reality, with the right moves, Berg could sign both. I think that would mean both Gio (who I think should go) and Markov would have to walk. I think with PK, Vanek and Moulson, we would be over 20 mill in cap hit. The cap is going up 7, Makov and Gio bring 10. we would have to move Bourque (3.3) to come close to that goal. Gio is definitely gone. I think Bournival can do what he does. Markov can be kept. Bourque gets buried. Not bought out if he can't get traded. Buried in the minors. They'd have to do something with Briere too. I laid out the plan to sign both somewhere on here. Can't remember where.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 27, 2014 13:40:53 GMT -5
I think that would mean both Gio (who I think should go) and Markov would have to walk. I think with PK, Vanek and Moulson, we would be over 20 mill in cap hit. The cap is going up 7, Makov and Gio bring 10. we would have to move Bourque (3.3) to come close to that goal. Gio is definitely gone. I think Bournival can do what he does. Markov can be kept. Bourque gets buried. Not bought out if he can't get traded. Buried in the minors. They'd have to do something with Briere too. I laid out the plan to sign both somewhere on here. Can't remember where. Bourque could be traded (he has a modified NTC). His cap hit is 3.3 over each of the next 2 years but his salary is 2.5, therefore he is an attractive option, financially, for a floor team, I can see florida taking him while their youth develop... hell they took Gomer. I would take a pick for him and be happy. If they buy him out (I can't see that happening though): SEASON CAP HIT 2014-15 $1,666,667 2015-16 $1,666,667 2016-17 $833,333 2017-18 $833,333
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Post by franko on Mar 27, 2014 13:57:26 GMT -5
They'd have to do something with Briere too. if Briere does is "come alive in the playoffs"t hing he'll be back next year.
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 14:13:06 GMT -5
Gio is definitely gone. I think Bournival can do what he does. Markov can be kept. Bourque gets buried. Not bought out if he can't get traded. Buried in the minors. They'd have to do something with Briere too. I laid out the plan to sign both somewhere on here. Can't remember where. Bourque could be traded (he has a modified NTC). His cap hit is 3.3 over each of the next 2 years but his salary is 2.5, therefore he is an attractive option, financially, for a floor team, I can see florida taking him while their youth develop... hell they took Gomer. I would take a pick for him and be happy. If they buy him out (I can't see that happening though): SEASON CAP HIT 2014-15 $1,666,667 2015-16 $1,666,667 2016-17 $833,333 2017-18 $833,333 I'd sooner bury him than buy him out. Make as much cap room as possible. Waive him, let him rot in Hamilton.
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 14:14:07 GMT -5
They'd have to do something with Briere too. if Briere does is "come alive in the playoffs"t hing he'll be back next year. Hard to say. He shows flashes now and then, but he just won't sacrifice for a play. We're gonna need that from everyone in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 27, 2014 14:37:33 GMT -5
Bourque could be traded (he has a modified NTC). His cap hit is 3.3 over each of the next 2 years but his salary is 2.5, therefore he is an attractive option, financially, for a floor team, I can see florida taking him while their youth develop... hell they took Gomer. I would take a pick for him and be happy. If they buy him out (I can't see that happening though): SEASON CAP HIT 2014-15 $1,666,667 2015-16 $1,666,667 2016-17 $833,333 2017-18 $833,333 I'd sooner bury him than buy him out. Make as much cap room as possible. Waive him, let him rot in Hamilton. Buying him out would be cheaper. If we bury him in the minors, his cap hit would be: 2014-15 = $2,408,333 2015-16 = $2,383,333 You only save $925,000 next year and $950,000 the following year on one way contracts
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 14:44:11 GMT -5
I'd sooner bury him than buy him out. Make as much cap room as possible. Waive him, let him rot in Hamilton. Buying him out would be cheaper. If we bury him in the minors, his cap hit would be: 2014-15 = $2,408,333 2015-16 = $2,383,333 You only save $925,000 next year and $950,000 the following year on one way contracts Bourque? He's not 35. They can still bury him without anything showing on the cap, can't they?
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Post by franko on Mar 27, 2014 14:46:08 GMT -5
if Briere does is "come alive in the playoffs"t hing he'll be back next year. Hard to say. He shows flashes now and then, but he just won't sacrifice for a play. We're gonna need that from everyone in a couple of weeks. all I've heard since he signing is that he's a playoff performer, explodes after the regular season. I'm anxious to have it proves. want to know why he doesn't do as well in the regular season if this is indeed so.
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 15:09:53 GMT -5
Hard to say. He shows flashes now and then, but he just won't sacrifice for a play. We're gonna need that from everyone in a couple of weeks. all I've heard since he signing is that he's a playoff performer, explodes after the regular season. I'm anxious to have it proves. want to know why he doesn't do as well in the regular season if this is indeed so. Concussion history and being 5'8 is a big part of it.
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Post by franko on Mar 27, 2014 15:11:39 GMT -5
all I've heard since he signing is that he's a playoff performer, explodes after the regular season. I'm anxious to have it proves. want to know why he doesn't do as well in the regular season if this is indeed so. Concussion history and being 5'8 is a big part of it. so he only gets hit in the regular season?
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 15:25:44 GMT -5
Concussion history and being 5'8 is a big part of it. so he only gets hit in the regular season? Opposite. When's the last time you saw him take legit contact this season?
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Post by jkr on Mar 27, 2014 15:50:26 GMT -5
all I've heard since he signing is that he's a playoff performer, explodes after the regular season. I'm anxious to have it proves. want to know why he doesn't do as well in the regular season if this is indeed so. Concussion history and being 5'8 is a big part of it. I looked at hockeydb.com and espn.com and both of those sites have him at 5'10"/ 180lb. Maybe he's not as small as we think.
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 16:20:07 GMT -5
Concussion history and being 5'8 is a big part of it. I looked at hockeydb.com and espn.com and both of those sites have him at 5'10"/ 180lb. Maybe he's not as small as we think. Hard to say. I think the numbers they get from the teams, especially for the smaller players, are inflated. I forget which broadcasters were talking about Weaver being listed at 5'10, and they joked that that is his height in skates. I dare say the same goes for Briere.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 27, 2014 20:04:28 GMT -5
Buying him out would be cheaper. If we bury him in the minors, his cap hit would be: 2014-15 = $2,408,333 2015-16 = $2,383,333 You only save $925,000 next year and $950,000 the following year on one way contracts Bourque? He's not 35. They can still bury him without anything showing on the cap, can't they? Under the new CBA, it doesn't matter. You can not hide contracts in the minors anymore. The over 35 rule remains the same as before, except that teams now would get $100,000 cap relief by sending someone 35+ to the minors. MINIMUM NHL SALARY 2012-13: $525,000 2013-14: $550,000 2014-15: $550,000 2015-16: $575,000 2016-17: $575,000 2017-18: $650,000 2018-19: $650,000 2019-20: $700,000 2020-21: $700,000 2021-22: $750,000
BURIED CONTRACTS (Wade Redden Rule) Money paid to players outside of the NHL counts against the cap.
A one-way contract counts against the cap as follows: cap hit – [ minimum salary + $375,000 ]
Example: If Player A with cap hit $6.5M plays in the minors in 2013-14, he counts as follows. $6.5M – [ $550,000 + $375,000 ] = $5.575M
A two-way contract counts as follows: minor-league salary – [ minimum salary + $375,000 ]
Example: Player B’s two-way contract pays $3M/$1M in 2013-14 and counts as follows in the minors. $1M – [ $550,000 + $375,000 ] = $75,000
No mention of age there
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2014 22:20:30 GMT -5
Thanks Skilly.
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