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Post by Yeti on Feb 29, 2004 8:32:22 GMT -5
From the Washington Post of this morning (29-02-04)
Montreal, also seeking defensive help, has been following the Capitals closely as well, with scouts present at the team's last four games. New Jersey, which lost another star defenseman to injury Saturday night, Dallas, Vancouver and Los Angeles are also competing for Witt's services.
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Post by jkr on Feb 29, 2004 8:47:26 GMT -5
From the Washington Post of this morning (29-02-04) Montreal, also seeking defensive help, has been following the Capitals closely as well, with scouts present at the team's last four games. New Jersey, which lost another star defenseman to injury Saturday night, Dallas, Vancouver and Los Angeles are also competing for Witt's services. With Rafalski(broken leg) & Stevens(concussion) both out indefinitely I would put Jersey at the front of this line. They have lost probably their no1 & no 3 defensemen and have to make a quality acquisition to defend their Cup. |
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Post by StevePenny on Feb 29, 2004 10:51:39 GMT -5
How about this ...Gonchar,Witt to habs for Sundstrom,Hainsey,Rivet.
Caps get 2 NhLers and a prospect.
Habs get Conghar and his scoring touch and Wit for his Physical presence.
Habs Blueline would consist of these players.
Witt-Gonchar
Souray,Brisbois
Quintal,Markov
Komi and Boullion.
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Post by jkr on Feb 29, 2004 11:05:31 GMT -5
How about this ...Gonchar,Witt to habs for Sundstrom,Hainsey,Rivet. Caps get 2 NhLers and a prospect. Habs get Conghar and his scoring touch and Wit for his Physical presence. Habs Blueline would consist of these players. Witt-Gonchar Souray,Brisbois Quintal,Markov Komi and Boullion. I like it from the Habs perspective but I think that package may get you into the Gonchar auction. I don't think it will get you both players. |
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Post by ethan on Feb 29, 2004 19:39:59 GMT -5
I like it as long as the pick isn't very high (i'm talking 4th or 5th round).
Witt looks like a solid D-man that could be useful for a few years... Maybe getting here and going on a run in these playoffs would motivate him to stay here for a few years, Montreal being a great city for hockey (as long as you can handle the scrutiny of course), and then we get to sign him under the new CBA. The impression I get is that salaries are going to either stay put or go down, they ain't going up.
But I wouldn't do it if the pick they want is a second or third this year or in the future.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 1, 2004 9:08:36 GMT -5
Plekanec, a 1st, and a 2nd for Witt and Zubrus.
Caps save another $3 million, and get three good prospects in return. Montreal gets a rugged defensive presence, and a big, right-handed center for the checking line, who can also fill in on the wing.
As an aside, if the Caps really fire-sale everyone, they could end up with 4-5 first round picks this year. If there is a lockout next year, that would give their picks and acquired prospects another year or two to develope, meaning that when hockey is replayed again, they could have a very young, exciting team to play with.
Think:
Fleishman, Colacoivo, Plekanec, Hahl
Detroit's 1st
Colorado's 1st (say for Kolzig, with Riku Hahl)
Toronto's 1st (for Gonchar, with Coliacovo)
Washington's 1st
Montreal's 1st (hypothetical)
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 1, 2004 9:27:39 GMT -5
Plekanec, a 1st, and a 2nd for Witt and Zubrus. I think they would be interested more in defensive prospects. they are thin in that area both with the big team and on the farm so my guess is they would like either Hainsey or a cheap dman who can play right away (Bouillon?) in addition to someone like Plekanec. R. |
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Post by Bob on Mar 1, 2004 9:39:55 GMT -5
Plekanec, a 1st, and a 2nd for Witt and Zubrus. Caps save another $3 million, and get three good prospects in return. Montreal gets a rugged defensive presence, and a big, right-handed center for the checking line, who can also fill in on the wing. When did Zubrus start shooting right? And when did he become a center... I thought he played either LW or RW. Nevertheless, I still wouldn't mind having him back. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 1, 2004 10:03:48 GMT -5
When did Zubrus start shooting right? And when did he become a center... I thought he played either LW or RW. Nevertheless, I still wouldn't mind having him back. Whoops! My mistake on the right-shooting thing! Must have been thinking of him as a RW here in Montreal. He has been playing center in Washington for a couple of years though. In fact, he has the second most number of faceoffs taken on the team, behind Jeff Halpern. Statistically, he ain’t great, at 48%, but he has been getting better. He was brutal last year on them, if I remember correctly. Which, as my right-handed reference would indicate, probably isn’t the case… |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 1, 2004 10:59:02 GMT -5
Plekanec, a 1st, and a 2nd for Witt and Zubrus. I rather we go after two of Nylander, Carter and Witt for that package. Throw in Hainsey, keep our 1st round pick and toss in a third and see if we can get all three. Plekanec, Hainsey, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick for Witt, Carter, and Nylander |
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Post by rhabdo on Mar 1, 2004 11:04:15 GMT -5
I rather we go after two of Nylander, Carter and Witt for that package. Throw in Hainsey, keep our 1st round pick and toss in a third and see if we can get all three. Plekanec, Hainsey, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick for Witt, Carter, and Nylander That would never be enough. The Caps could get much more. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2004 15:01:19 GMT -5
That would never be enough. The Caps could get much more. Like they did with Bondra? Lang? Jagr? The only trade they made this year where they got any value was Konowalchuck. Yes they got Carter for Jagr, but could they have got more? Carter is not a 10 Million dollar man, so they theoretically should have gotten more, but didn't. If a team is fire selling, they aren't going to be asking to take on salary. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2004 15:03:06 GMT -5
That would never be enough. The Caps could get much more. And even if we get only 2 of the guys .... I think it is better than bringing back Zubrus. Doesn't improve us size wise, doesn't improve us grit wise, and doesn't improve us energy wise. |
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Post by AH on Mar 2, 2004 15:12:26 GMT -5
There are 3 players that would interest me form Washington (that would fit our budget and needs). Witt, Grier, Halpern.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 2, 2004 16:22:01 GMT -5
And even if we get only 2 of the guys .... I think it is better than bringing back Zubrus. Doesn't improve us size wise, doesn't improve us grit wise, and doesn't improve us energy wise. At 6'4" and 231 lbs, Zubrus would improve the Habs immensely size-wise. He is also known to not shy away from the physical game. |
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Post by blaise on Mar 2, 2004 17:11:13 GMT -5
Like they did with Bondra? Lang? Jagr? A modest salary makes you that much more attractive on the trade market. Those three guys were well above Witt's pay grade. In the case of Lang and especially Jagr, the contracts went on for a few years, and the trades were largely to dump payroll. Witt will never make as much as they did. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2004 20:35:20 GMT -5
At 6'4" and 231 lbs, Zubrus would improve the Habs immensely size-wise. He is also known to not shy away from the physical game. Seems to me we danced to this tune before, and this isn't musical chairs. Corson, Zubrus, Odelien, etc. Been there done that .... recycling is good, recycling hockey players. No thank you. Zubrus is nothing more than a 30-40 point man (in his best year). If he can't hit those numbers surrounded by the likes of Jagr, Bondra, Lang, Gonchar, etc. then he has no chance doing it in Montreal. And the last time I checked he was 6 foot 3 and 212lbs. Carter is 6 foot 1 and 190lbs. And he uses it unlike Zubrus. Plus he would immediately move unto our first line and the last time he played on a first line he netted 60 points with Edmonton. He would give Koivu and Zednik tons of room where Zubrus, Bulis, and Perreault can not. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2004 22:16:28 GMT -5
Seems to me we danced to this tune before, and this isn't musical chairs. Corson, Zubrus, Odelien, etc. Been there done that .... recycling is good, recycling hockey players. No thank you. Zubrus is nothing more than a 30-40 point man (in his best year). If he can't hit those numbers surrounded by the likes of Jagr, Bondra, Lang, Gonchar, etc. then he has no chance doing it in Montreal. And the last time I checked he was 6 foot 3 and 212lbs. Carter is 6 foot 1 and 190lbs. And he uses it unlike Zubrus. Plus he would immediately move unto our first line and the last time he played on a first line he netted 60 points with Edmonton. He would give Koivu and Zednik tons of room where Zubrus, Bulis, and Perreault can not. I think you are remembering too much the Zubrus of Montreal years, when he was younger than our "breaking out" Mike Ribeiro and Michael Ryder. The difference between him, and Corson or Odelein, or any of the other musical chair guys, is 10 years. Zubrus is younger than Jan Bulis. I get the Hockey News, and everytime they have their little "unsung players" awards, or "hardest working" or whatever, Zubrus always gets mentioned for the Capitals. He plays about 20 minutes a game there (24-25 of late), kills penalties, and, contrary to popular belief, has become a gritty, physical player. And you might want to check your stats again, because currently he his listed at the aforementioned 6'4, 231lbs. tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?1733Zubrus perhaps will never be the offensive force people originally thought he was going to be, but he is developing into a fine two-way hockey player. A tougher Bulis, and that would be fine for me, as a 3rd line duo. You may not have a high opinion of Zubrus, but Caps fans do (as, apparently, does George McPhee). Check out some Washington boards, to see... From a Washington Post article, in January, after Zubrus was injured: Washington's hopes of turning around its season in the new year were dealt a serious blow yesterday when the team learned its best two-way forward, center Dainius Zubrus, will miss the next two to four weeks with a broken bone in his right foot.
Zubrus suffered the injury when he dropped to the ice to block a shot six minutes into the Capitals' 7-1 loss in Buffalo on Wednesday night. The puck struck Zubrus hard just beneath his ankle. He did not return to the game.
Although Zubrus is an immensely talented offensive player, his absence may be felt most in the defensive end. Because of his size (6 feet 4, 226 pounds) and skating ability, Zubrus is often called upon to keep the opposing team's top center in check. In 38 games, Zubrus has 11 goals and 12 assists.
"It's always a concern when you lose a player like him," Coach Glen Hanlon said. "He's played some wonderful hockey for us this season. He plays more minutes than any [forward] on our team including [ Jaromir] Jagr and [ Robert] Lang." |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 3, 2004 10:51:18 GMT -5
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