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Post by GNick99 on Jul 1, 2014 12:31:54 GMT -5
Kevin Oklobzija @kevinodandc 1m Brian Gionta signs a 3-year deal with a $4.25 AAV (average annual value) with the #Sabres.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 12:34:18 GMT -5
May as well put this here. Who's the next captain of Canadiens?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2014 12:44:03 GMT -5
It's not about the money...except it was about the money. Wasn't he offered 3 million a year here? Good luck Brian.
Is our team any better now than 2 months ago?
Out: Briere Gionta (Captain) Gorges (Assistant Captain) Murray Parros White Vanek
In Gilbert Parenteau Malhotra
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Post by PTH on Jul 1, 2014 12:51:51 GMT -5
Just too much money and too much term for what he could contribute.
I think we'll wish we had him around for a season, but years 2 and 3 will be expensive for little return.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 13:29:46 GMT -5
It's not about the money...except it was about the money. Wasn't he offered 3 million a year here? Good luck Brian. Is our team any better now than 2 months ago? Out: Briere Gionta (Captain) Gorges (Assistant Captain) Murray Parros White Vanek In Gilbert Parenteau Malhotra Nope Right now, this team is going to struggle to score. Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Price, and Subban may be the core .... But they aren't going to score enough.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 13:33:59 GMT -5
I think Parenteau comes in and is a 50pt player. Gilbert will fit in with the transition style offense of the club. He's a significantly better passer than Josh. Weaver and Emelin can provide many of the things that Gorges does for less money. Malhotra takes pk role away from upper centers. The glut is still there, which tells me Berg plans to make other alterations via trade. I really don't think Galchenyuk plays the wing next year.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 13:41:56 GMT -5
I think Parenteau comes in and is a 50pt player. Gilbert will fit in with the transition style offense of the club. He's a significantly better passer than Josh. Weaver and Emelin can provide many of the things that Gorges does for less money. Malhotra takes pk role away from upper centers. The glut is still there, which tells me Berg plans to make other alterations via trade. I really don't think Galchenyuk plays the wing next year. As of right now, PAPpy and Sekac will have to out score Briere, Gionta AND Vanek just to meet last years production. Sekac was cut from his OHL team, played decent in the USHL, and played good in the KHL. He isn't coming over to play in Hamilton. This unknown will play and god help us if he doesn't produce. PAP-Pleky-Sekac .... Nice potential, but Bourque now has no place and we need another top 6 forward with only 13 million. After signing Subban and Eller, we won't have much left. Will Subban take a million less?
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 13:44:47 GMT -5
Replacing the Vanek from the regular season is one thing, the playoffs another.
I'm aware that Sekac likely plays in the NHL given the nature of who and what. To that end, given the unknown, I don't think Berg is done. Done for today? Perhaps.
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 1, 2014 13:46:13 GMT -5
Crazy money for a declining player.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 13:46:41 GMT -5
No reason to break the bank on Eller. Subban and Eller could effectively come in under $10 million. I'm reluctant to give Eller more than $2 million.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 1, 2014 13:48:24 GMT -5
May as well put this here. Who's the next captain of Canadiens? I started a thread dedicated to that topic just now…just so it wouldn't get lost amid the Gionta talk, etc.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2014 13:49:54 GMT -5
It's not about the money...except it was about the money. Wasn't he offered 3 million a year here? Good luck Brian. Is our team any better now than 2 months ago? Out: Briere Gionta (Captain) Gorges (Assistant Captain) Murray Parros White Vanek In Gilbert Parenteau Malhotra Nope Right now, this team is going to struggle to score. Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Price, and Subban may be the core .... But they aren't going to score enough. I agree. Our top 6 is scary...as in scary bad. We're turning into a gulp *grinding* team.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2014 13:59:19 GMT -5
We could have got Pouliot for 5 years at $20. What is Edm thinking? Not only is he not the kind of player they need, are they not going to be in need of cap space in a few years? Worst deal of the day by far. One thing about Edm - they are consistent.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 1, 2014 14:04:27 GMT -5
A bunch of stuff kind of washed out, but it was at lower levels and doesn't solve the fundamental problem of a lack of scoring. Vanek really made us a dangerous team last year and his production (25-30 goals, 65-70 points) hasn't been replaced.
Overall I'm OK with the moves as marginal upgrades:
Parenteau > Gionta Gilbert > Gorges Malhotra > Briere
Throw in the better contracts and it' even better. But we're really talking about a 2nd/3rd line winger in Parenteau, a 2nd/3rd pair dman in Gilbert, and a 4th line C in Malhotra. And that's fine. You can't always swing for the fences with UFAs if you don't want to overpay. Filling holes and tweaking the roster is good.
So the grade for Bergevin is still "INCOMPLETE". He decided to let Vanek walk and he still has no replacement for him.
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 1, 2014 14:08:41 GMT -5
We could have got Pouliot for 5 years at $20. What is Edm thinking? Not only is he not the kind of player they need, are they not going to be in need of cap space in a few years? Worst deal of the day by far. One thing about Edm - they are consistent. It's so bad that it elicits pity.
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Post by Disp on Jul 1, 2014 14:11:47 GMT -5
Crazy money for a declining player. I agree. Didn't want him at 3.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 14:19:29 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 14:47:32 GMT -5
A bunch of stuff kind of washed out, but it was at lower levels and doesn't solve the fundamental problem of a lack of scoring. Vanek really made us a dangerous team last year and his production (25-30 goals, 65-70 points) hasn't been replaced. Overall I'm OK with the moves as marginal upgrades: Parenteau > Gionta Gilbert > Gorges Malhotra > Briere Throw in the better contracts and it' even better. But we're really talking about a 2nd/3rd line winger in Parenteau, a 2nd/3rd pair dman in Gilbert, and a 4th line C in Malhotra. And that's fine. You can't always swing for the fences with UFAs if you don't want to overpay. Filling holes and tweaking the roster is good. So the grade for Bergevin is still "INCOMPLETE". He decided to let Vanek walk and he still has no replacement for him. I don't blame MB for not resigning Vanek. I am sure MB would have given Vanek the money he got in Minny. Vanek wanted to be in Minny. I'm happy he's in the west and not in the East.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 15:05:08 GMT -5
Nope Right now, this team is going to struggle to score. Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Price, and Subban may be the core .... But they aren't going to score enough. I agree. Our top 6 is scary...as in scary bad. We're turning into a gulp *grinding* team. We didn't draft Alex Galchenyuk at #3 to get us 15 goals and 25 assists per year. I think this is the year that MT lets Alex go. We need 35 goals and 40 assists from him, numbers that I think are totally achievable, if he gets the time and the linemates. I think it will help if we move the puck better and spend less time in our end and more time in their end. Perhaps Gilbert will help there as Berg seems to think so. I could see Gorges have more trouble making that good pass out of our end and sometimes putting his partner into some awkward predicaments with his passes (not to mention the senseless icings that happened too often). Between the kids and Gilbert and a full year of Weaver, we have to spend less time in our end. But the key is that Galchy has to raise his game to another level and become the scorer we always expected him to be, whether at centre or at wing.
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Post by HFTO on Jul 1, 2014 15:43:42 GMT -5
Time for everyone to step up and potential is there better than what we let go in Briere Gionta and Gorges all aging overpaid and certainly declining with no upside...the torch has been passed and that means real minutes for the new core and MB certainly brought in vets with leadership as insulation at much cheaper dollars.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 15:47:49 GMT -5
The only question for me is how long before Agally gets to play center. He's shown, like Eller, that he's better when he's playing up the middle. Gotta make that permanent. The points will come imo.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 18:12:12 GMT -5
I agree. Our top 6 is scary...as in scary bad. We're turning into a gulp *grinding* team. We didn't draft Alex Galchenyuk at #3 to get us 15 goals and 25 assists per year. I think this is the year that MT lets Alex go. We need 35 goals and 40 assists from him, numbers that I think are totally achievable, if he gets the time and the linemates. I think it will help if we move the puck better and spend less time in our end and more time in their end. Perhaps Gilbert will help there as Berg seems to think so. I could see Gorges have more trouble making that good pass out of our end and sometimes putting his partner into some awkward predicaments with his passes (not to mention the senseless icings that happened too often). Between the kids and Gilbert and a full year of Weaver, we have to spend less time in our end. But the key is that Galchy has to raise his game to another level and become the scorer we always expected him to be, whether at centre or at wing. I like the optimism and I agree that Galchenyuk is the key to a more productive offense. But how do we tap that potential? The fourth line is set I guess ... Some combination of Weise, Malholtra, Prust and Bournival Since we still have Pleky AND Desharnais , that makes Plekanec the now de-facto third line centre. He has to be, if we want greater production from Galchenyuk, he has to be on the second line. So our third line will be Sekac-Plekanec-Parenteau. While Parenteau is big , he isn't a first liber and our second line is set Second line: Gallagher-Eller-Galchenyuk Now the first line. MT likes his pairings, so he isn't breaking up Pacioretty-Desharnais. So guess who that leaves as our first line right winger? Even if he is switched up with Parenteau, that first line is VERY weak without a bona-fide top 6 forward, or a crease crashed power forward ....so do we put Gallagher there? I wouldn't. It scares the bejezus out of me to think our first line right winger is one of Parenteau or Rene Bourque!! Today's acquisitions have stunted Bournival, Galchenyuk, and two of Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn ...... I can't see how today made us any better.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2014 20:11:31 GMT -5
We didn't draft Alex Galchenyuk at #3 to get us 15 goals and 25 assists per year. I think this is the year that MT lets Alex go. We need 35 goals and 40 assists from him, numbers that I think are totally achievable, if he gets the time and the linemates. I think it will help if we move the puck better and spend less time in our end and more time in their end. Perhaps Gilbert will help there as Berg seems to think so. I could see Gorges have more trouble making that good pass out of our end and sometimes putting his partner into some awkward predicaments with his passes (not to mention the senseless icings that happened too often). Between the kids and Gilbert and a full year of Weaver, we have to spend less time in our end. But the key is that Galchy has to raise his game to another level and become the scorer we always expected him to be, whether at centre or at wing. I like the optimism and I agree that Galchenyuk is the key to a more productive offense. But how do we tap that potential? The fourth line is set I guess ... Some combination of Weise, Malholtra, Prust and Bournival Since we still have Pleky AND Desharnais , that makes Plekanec the now de-facto third line centre. He has to be, if we want greater production from Galchenyuk, he has to be on the second line. So our third line will be Sekac-Plekanec-Parenteau. While Parenteau is big , he isn't a first liber and our second line is set Second line: Gallagher-Eller-Galchenyuk Now the first line. MT likes his pairings, so he isn't breaking up Pacioretty-Desharnais. So guess who that leaves as our first line right winger? Even if he is switched up with Parenteau, that first line is VERY weak without a bona-fide top 6 forward, or a crease crashed power forward ....so do we put Gallagher there? I wouldn't. It scares the bejezus out of me to think our first line right winger is one of Parenteau or Rene Bourque!! Today's acquisitions have stunted Bournival, Galchenyuk, and two of Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn ...... I can't see how today made us any better. +1 Couldn't have said it any better.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 20:31:12 GMT -5
If Galchy is given 2nd line minutes at a minimum and time on the PP, he will create his own line. He'll make anyone on his line better. The key is giving him the ice time, especially on the PP. I'm not even sure this is the line-up that comes to training camp or what surprises there will be in training camp, so I'm not going to speculate on potential lines as that can change fairly quickly.
It all depends on how Therrien handles it. Let's see if he can turn my opinion around by playing galchy more and sticking with one of the defense kids even when they make mistakes. Coach them through it, Mike. That's what you're paid to do.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 22:45:40 GMT -5
If Galchy is given 2nd line minutes at a minimum and time on the PP, he will create his own line. He'll make anyone on his line better. The key is giving him the ice time, especially on the PP. I'm not even sure this is the line-up that comes to training camp or what surprises there will be in training camp, so I'm not going to speculate on potential lines as that can change fairly quickly. It all depends on how Therrien handles it. Let's see if he can turn my opinion around by playing galchy more and sticking with one of the defense kids even when they make mistakes. Coach them through it, Mike. That's what you're paid to do. There may be room for one of those kids Emelin-Subban Markov-Gilbert Weaver-
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Post by habsask on Jul 2, 2014 11:09:57 GMT -5
If Galchy is given 2nd line minutes at a minimum and time on the PP, he will create his own line. He'll make anyone on his line better. The key is giving him the ice time, especially on the PP. I'm not even sure this is the line-up that comes to training camp or what surprises there will be in training camp, so I'm not going to speculate on potential lines as that can change fairly quickly. It all depends on how Therrien handles it. Let's see if he can turn my opinion around by playing galchy more and sticking with one of the defense kids even when they make mistakes. Coach them through it, Mike. That's what you're paid to do. There may be room for one of those kids Emelin-Subban Markov-Gilbert Weaver- I agree Skilly and with the possibility (likelihood?) of injuries a couple may get to play a fair amount. I'm with Bad Co- can never have enough good defenceman with an 82 game season + the playoffs. (assuming the Habs make them) And since Bergevin said flat out in his press conference that they needed to make room for the young defencemen (plural) to play it would seem to me that the message has been sent to MT that he has to find a way to play them.
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Post by franko on Jul 2, 2014 11:19:13 GMT -5
There may be room for one of those kids Emelin-Subban Markov-Gilbert Weaver- And since Bergevin said flat out in his press conference that they needed to make room for the young defencemen (plural) to play it would seem to me that the message has been sent to MT that he has to find a way to play them. except, of course, that rumor that he's trying to sign Boo-Boo.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 3, 2014 21:55:10 GMT -5
The kids have to be played regularly, not platooned. You saw this year how MT did not trust the rookies, because he felt they didn't get enough game time
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 4, 2014 7:49:53 GMT -5
The kids have to be played regularly, not platooned. You saw this year how MT did not trust the rookies, because he felt they didn't get enough game time That's MTs fault they didn't get enough game time because he didn't play them and he didnt trust them because they didnt play enough... it's the chicken egg thing.
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Post by jkr on Jul 4, 2014 8:15:01 GMT -5
And since Bergevin said flat out in his press conference that they needed to make room for the young defencemen (plural) to play it would seem to me that the message has been sent to MT that he has to find a way to play them. except, of course, that rumor that he's trying to sign Boo-Boo. How hard would he have to try. Way off topic - but as I was posting I saw a pop up for an upcoming Bad Company cocert.
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