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Post by franko on Sept 24, 2014 18:51:08 GMT -5
Good old Leo. The guy with 5 houses and a jetset lifestyle.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 24, 2014 19:08:04 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Sept 24, 2014 19:12:32 GMT -5
BTW...anybody want the facts about how they utterly re-invent the term "lies, damn lies and global warming statistics"...... "We have the third warmest June on record"....translation...."we need constant attention and cherry picked a time period that we could use from the data we derived to scream our agenda"..... FACT....there is no absolute time period or universal record or single source of data. There are several sources and those sources have changed their method of data manipulation methodology several times. Pick the one you like them most to suit your narrative and you're always right. FACT....what we do not know about cloud and water vapor forcing (between 60% and 85%) far exceeds the theoretical forcing of CO2. BUT then again, there is no money or power in clouds and vapor...... FACT...there are no climate models that predict the future climate. They are ALL based on whatever factors the programmers feed into to them which are ALL based on guesses and suppositions. FACT...the UN single most important agenda is to establish "climate change" as causing world wide harm and creating a wealth redistribution methodology. it's now losing the wealth redistribution angle as China and India are on of the top four emitters. FACT...the THEORY of CO2 forcing on climate has not resulted in higher global temperatures over the last 17 years. In any "science" not named eugenics, this would cause a re-think of the theory. In "climate science", it's simply re-branded as an omnipresent and unprovable "climate change", where any activity by man can be abused as the "culprit" of "climate change". How convenient. It's pretty hard to deny that the earth is warming, though attributing the cause is not so easy. Ice chunks the size of countries aren't falling off the Antarctica ice shelf because of political hot air. I have no idea if we can control it. We might be able to try and mitigate it....or not, depending on the power of the cause. This has happened throughout earth's history, even before humans added carbon dioxide and a weakening ozone layer to the mix. Heck at one time, Greenland was called Greenland for a reason. To the Vikings at least, it was hospitable. And then there were the ice ages, so we've gone through various cycles. I sure am glad I'm not living in Florida or other low lying area and that I'm living in a temperate climate which is getting more temperate  . I should be able to play my own red grapes anytime soon now. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 24, 2014 21:07:33 GMT -5
 Bush is the new go'to for Goodwin's Law. Bah! I thought the kid was hilarious  ... have a good one ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2014 0:40:25 GMT -5
I like that wheel. I have a Bush Poster, but not a Bush wheel. Cool.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 25, 2014 1:23:53 GMT -5
It's pretty hard to deny that the earth is warming, though attributing the cause is not so easy. Ice chunks the size of countries aren't falling off the Antarctica ice shelf because of political hot air. I have no idea if we can control it. We might be able to try and mitigate it....or not, depending on the power of the cause. This has happened throughout earth's history, even before humans added carbon dioxide and a weakening ozone layer to the mix. Heck at one time, Greenland was called Greenland for a reason. To the Vikings at least, it was hospitable. And then there were the ice ages, so we've gone through various cycles. I sure am glad I'm not living in Florida or other low lying area and that I'm living in a temperate climate which is getting more temperate . I should be able to play my own red grapes anytime soon now. Memo to 17, Medieval Warming Period is denier talk. I see re-education camps in your future.... This isn't different from an endless line of doom and gloom bs. From any given bible Apocalypse to modern end-of-oil, to no-food-to-feed-the-billions to Y2K, they come and go, except this one has a lot more $$$$$$ and a lot more political power. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 25, 2014 1:30:05 GMT -5
Good old Leo. The guy with 5 houses and a jetset lifestyle. Given DeCaprios enormous intellectual gravitas pimping the end of times and marching arm to arm with Al Gore, it must be true!! Pseudo intellectual and pseudo righteous of hypocritical do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do liberal elite and Hollywood pimps knows no limits. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 13:09:06 GMT -5
A bit more on saving the planet ... Scientist Confesses:
"Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"Imagine, for a moment, sitting at a prestigious steakhouse in Palm Beach, Florida, a hot spot for some of the most wealthy and famous — Donald Trump, Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey, James Patterson, Rush Limbaugh, and hundreds more. And, imagine dining with a handful of men you’ve only read about. Some of them are worth millions, others published best-selling books, and some have held prominent positions at the White House. In essence, you’re sitting at a five-person table of VIPs. You’re about to take a bite of your New York strip when one of the men, a top U.S. intelligence agent, slams a 164-page document in the middle of the table. This document, you soon find out, contains damning evidence that a network of politicians, corporations, and scientists have conspired together to promote the fear of “global warming” . . . despite evidence clearly stating no such “global warming” exists. The motive: $22 billion per year.
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Post by PTH on Nov 29, 2014 14:28:22 GMT -5
A bit more on saving the planet ... Scientist Confesses:
"Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"Imagine, for a moment, sitting at a prestigious steakhouse in Palm Beach, Florida, a hot spot for some of the most wealthy and famous — Donald Trump, Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey, James Patterson, Rush Limbaugh, and hundreds more. And, imagine dining with a handful of men you’ve only read about. Some of them are worth millions, others published best-selling books, and some have held prominent positions at the White House. In essence, you’re sitting at a five-person table of VIPs. You’re about to take a bite of your New York strip when one of the men, a top U.S. intelligence agent, slams a 164-page document in the middle of the table. This document, you soon find out, contains damning evidence that a network of politicians, corporations, and scientists have conspired together to promote the fear of “global warming” . . . despite evidence clearly stating no such “global warming” exists. The motive: $22 billion per year.
... that's $22 billion of taxpayers' money ... (link) Reading that article, it seems very sensationalist. Few links to hard data, hard science, perr-reviewed publications, anything. And if any kind of a coverup or conspiracy were happening, there would still be plenty of published papers backing up the articles claims. Especially since the article is HUGELY America-centric, an American conspiracy wouldn't stop researchers elsewhere in the world from publishing.... something. And the article mentions various claims that have been substantiated but the article prefers to "I could walk you through all 11, but they are very extensive and heavy on the science." In short, he has no actual documented facts. This kind of article by climate change skeptics/deniers doesn't make me question that climate change is probably happening, and that the main opponents aren't actual scientists, but people whose interests are at stake, so since to them the consequences of climate change would be too hard do seriously deal with, they're just assuming it's a lie. FYI: I know this board clearly has a right-wing, hard-core capitalist, climate-change skeptic slant, and I don't intend to get into a debate about this. |
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Post by franko on Nov 29, 2014 14:56:49 GMT -5
FYI: I know this board clearly has a right-wing, hard-core capitalist, climate-change skeptic slant, and I don't intend to get into a debate about this. not so sure how hard core about right wing capitalist, though there are obviously a few of them here I know you said that you wouldn't debate, but where is the fun in that? yes, you can colour me skeptical. no doubt that climate change is happening; my question is how much is man-made/caused. some? for sure? but my position is that climate is in constant flux. and my problem is that the ones yelling the loudest also have great interest at stake. but other than that . . . |
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Post by PTH on Nov 29, 2014 15:03:58 GMT -5
Well, my way of thinking is that regardless of how much of the climate change is actually man-made, the best course of action is to minimize human actions that have an impact on the environment - I'd rather be cautious and limit ourselves a tad too much (or much too much) rather than risk having humanity deal with a major calamity in 10 to 100 years...
As a general rule, most ecological issues are much cheaper to deal with early on, rather than when the damage is done.
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Post by franko on Nov 29, 2014 16:06:15 GMT -5
no debate  there. caution? no problem. care? you bet! paranoia? uh-uh. and inconsistency and hypocrisy and sensationalism? that's what gets me (on both sides of the discussion!). |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 16:27:04 GMT -5
As a general rule, most ecological issues are much cheaper to deal with early on, rather than when the damage is done. True, but how do we educate Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India, China and the Persian Gulf in general ... (link) ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 16:36:32 GMT -5
This kind of article by climate change skeptics/deniers doesn't make me question that climate change is probably happening, and that the main opponents aren't actual scientists, but people whose interests are at stake, so since to them the consequences of climate change would be too hard do seriously deal with, they're just assuming it's a lie. No actually, it's the opposite. Hard core capitalist simply sell and profit from whatever you want to believe. Count me in on that. (It's not hypocrisy, it's called survival from watching your business get hammered by stuupidly increasing electricity rates.) I doubt that you have ever been in an wind energy industry conference but let me give you a hint. It's not about the latest "green" technology, or even the slightest concern about "climate change", it's about buying influencing and policy for $$$$$$$$. Want to know who is CEO of the largest wind companies in Ontario? Mike Crawley...ex President of the Liberal Party Of Canada en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_CrawleyRead the article. then know this....I dealt with the president of AIM power, trying to buy one of their 10mw projects in southern Ontario BEFORE teh company was sold. The company was subsequently sold to International Power which is a subsidiary....ready for this.....GDF Suez. Where does GDF Suez make it's money? From fossil fuels. So a political party faithful is CEO of a wind turbine company that benefits from massive billion dollar fixed contracts that are controlled by the very same political party and is owned by a fossil fuel company. And that is only one story that I know very well. I have more up close and personal ones with Ontario solar. Look over there.........the $ky i$ falling. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 16:52:20 GMT -5
BTW....the then CEO of AIM generation went out of his way to discourage me from investing in wind turbines. His words....."it's not for small investors or activist, it's big money business".
If people dug deeper into the scam, which very few of those who cling to sky falling do, they will find the who is who of big oil money, big bank and big money schemes. All of them profiting off the backs of working people.
Biggest solar project and massive wind projects in Ontario? ENBRIDGE! That's right, the company that is profiting from your fossil fuel bill is also profiting from you in massive subsidized wind and solar contracts.
Look over there.....the $ky i$ falling.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 16:59:08 GMT -5
As a general rule, most ecological issues are much cheaper to deal with early on, rather than when the damage is done. True, but how do we educate Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India, China and the Persian Gulf in general ... (link) ... Cheers. According to the UN and the climate change believers, you should be taxed to death though carbon taxes and give them the money to play nice. They play, you pay guilt-by-climate-apocalypse-taxes. Case closed. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 17:10:00 GMT -5
I doubt that you have ever been in an wind energy industry conference but let me give you a hint. It's not about the latest "green" technology, or even the slightest concern about "climate change", it's about buying influencing and policy for $$$$$$$$. And they're at $22 billion and counting ... Thanks for sharing ... very informative ... on a much lower scale, I can kind of relate to the money aspect ... I was looking at solar panels for the house ... for $30,000 my 10kw system would be employed in the power grid and I'd be able to eliminate my hydro bills over the next 20 years ... however, I considered it not because it would eliminate my bills, or because I'm going green, but because I stood to clear $60,000 over the 20-year contract with the province ... if I had the capital I'd look at that as a business opportunity (not just an investment) more than an ecological initiative ... why not? ... after all the policy encourages it ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 17:19:51 GMT -5
Well, my way of thinking is that regardless of how much of the climate change is actually man-made, the best course of action is to minimize human actions that have an impact on the environment - I'd rather be cautious and limit ourselves a tad too much (or much too much) rather than risk having humanity deal with a major calamity in 10 to 100 years... As a general rule, most ecological issues are much cheaper to deal with early on, rather than when the damage is done. First of all, we always had an impact on our environment. The very food you eat is from clear cutting forest to grow those crops. The house you live in is from cutting down forest to build your house on what use to be a forest. We are humans, we change our environment to our benefit. We can go on and on with every aspect of every inch of our lives having an "impact" on the environment, yet this one is somehow different because of what? Funny how THIS particular "environmental issue" is so prominent and just happens to have.....trillions of dollars to be made from it. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 17:27:42 GMT -5
I doubt that you have ever been in an wind energy industry conference but let me give you a hint. It's not about the latest "green" technology, or even the slightest concern about "climate change", it's about buying influencing and policy for $$$$$$$$. And they're at $22 billion and counting ... Thanks for sharing ... very informative ... on a much lower scale, I can kind of relate to the money aspect ... I was looking at solar panels for the house ... for $30,000 my 10kw system would be employed in the power grid and I'd be able to eliminate my hydro bills over the next 20 years ... however, I considered it not because it would eliminate my bills, or because I'm going green, but because I stood to clear $60,000 over the 20-year contract with the province ... if I had the capital I'd look at that as a business opportunity (not just an investment) more than an ecological initiative ... why not? ... after all the policy encourages it ... Cheers. Would you like to know a little about your house project? It's worth about $10K in material, $2K in labour.....and the rest pure profit because you don't know the game. Those who do, simply screw you over for S18k. Welcome to the world of greenwa$hing and scams. (I could easily do it for my house, but the damn thing is cornered almost exactly shouthwest.) |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 17:58:34 GMT -5
Would you like to know a little about your house project? It's worth about $10K in material, $2K in labour.....and the rest pure profit because you don't know the game. Those who do, simply screw you over for S18k. My best friend lives in Australia and he told me that Aussies would pay substantially less for the same system ... possibly a little less than what you're estimate, but yes, these companies will profit off you big time ... if you do actually go through one of them to do your work, some will pat on the back for helping save the planet and give you a $5,000 payout either in a personal cheque or as a discount to the $30Gs they charged you for the work ... only the fine print dictates that you agree to give any further profits your system generates, directly to their company ... ... yeah, we're east/west and have a pretty standard roof ... back to the companies, I was receiving about a call a month from both of them since I asked about their services ... as with a lot of other marketers, they've stopped calling ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 29, 2014 18:05:31 GMT -5
Well I've never been confused with a hard core conservative, (I guess I'm more Center left. Center right depending on the issue), but I'll agree that article Dis posted has a definite right leaning slant, and poorly written. I kept waiting for him to ask for my credit card info ... For someone in a hurry to tell us the truth, he sure did ramble on ....but....
I've always been skeptical of Global Warming. But you know something, so were the Global Warming supporters. How do I know? Because when confronted with evidence to explain, they immediately changed the name of their cause from Global Warming to Climate Change. (That inexplicable evidence was why was a year in the 1930's the hottest on record until recently). In my mind there are a few questions that need answers before I jump on the bandwagon.
I guess since Newfoundland really did not experience hotter prolonged temperatures like the heat waves of Center Canada, it was somewhat harder for me to take the new culture shift seriously. But I'd love to sit down with a global warming activist over a few beers and have a chat about
- if the earth is warming, then why over the past 3 winters has "polar vortex" become the new buzz word? And is it just me, or has our summers been shorter the past three years? I golfed in January in 2012, this year it was cold enough to skin ya by October.
- if increase hurricane activity is proof, then why do hurricanes always form in the tropics water (as always) and it takes a LOW pressure to start them?
- if the oceans are warming then wouldn't hurricane formations start further north .... Speaking of hurricanes, wasn't this year suspiciously quiet in hurricanes??
- if the oceans are steadily warming (proof of melting ice caps) then why does DFO data (data my wife collects sometimes) show the waters off Canada's east coast to be warming and cooling cyclically, in 10-15 yr cycles. As a side note, we are currently at the apex of the warming cycle, and DFO is hoping the cooling starts soon to help specific fisheries that are always better in cooler waters (shrimp, crab, etc ..)
- Buffalo .... Explain 300cms of snow in one day if we are warming. Ok thats a funny, but think about that volume of snow
All this being said, it is good practice to do what you can to be environmentally friendly ... Most do, but it'll never be enough for some
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Post by PTH on Nov 29, 2014 18:34:36 GMT -5
All this being said, it is good practice to do what you can to be environmentally friendly ... Most do, but it'll never be enough for some Doing "what you can do" for the planet (ie, whatever is easy enough to do without any substantial lifestyle changes or sacrifices) might not be enough to avoid massive issues within our lifetimes. One day, kids might be asking us if gas for 1,20$ was worth the massive cost it might lead to in the future. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 18:45:07 GMT -5
Would you like to know a little about your house project? It's worth about $10K in material, $2K in labour.....and the rest pure profit because you don't know the game. Those who do, simply screw you over for S18k. My best friend lives in Australia and he told me that Aussies would pay substantially less for the same system ... possibly a little less than what you're estimate, but yes, these companies will profit off you big time ... if you do actually go through one of them to do your work, some will pat on the back for helping save the planet and give you a $5,000 payout either in a personal cheque or as a discount to the $30Gs they charged you for the work ... only the fine print dictates that you agree to give any further profits your system generates, directly to their company ... ... yeah, we're east/west and have a pretty standard roof ... back to the companies, I was receiving about a call a month from both of them since I asked about their services ... as with a lot of other marketers, they've stopped calling ... Cheers. Dis, there is a lot more involved in rooftop projects then sticking solar panels on it. It starts from investigating your roof structure to changing your roof tiles to how the loads are distributed. Not a single one of the scammed will tell you the truth because it's money in the bank for them. I can not even offer the simplest opinion without first crawling in your attic. My best advice....don't do it unless you ply me with kegs of beer..... |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2014 18:59:11 GMT -5
Well I've never been confused with a hard core conservative, (I guess I'm more Center left. Center right depending on the issue), but I'll agree that article Dis posted has a definite right leaning slant, and poorly written. I kept waiting for him to ask for my credit card info ... For someone in a hurry to tell us the truth, he sure did ramble on ....but.... I've always been skeptical of Global Warming. But you know something, so were the Global Warming supporters. How do I know? Because when confronted with evidence to explain, they immediately changed the name of their cause from Global Warming to Climate Change. (That inexplicable evidence was why was a year in the 1930's the hottest on record until recently). In my mind there are a few questions that need answers before I jump on the bandwagon. I guess since Newfoundland really did not experience hotter prolonged temperatures like the heat waves of Center Canada, it was somewhat harder for me to take the new culture shift seriously. But I'd love to sit down with a global warming activist over a few beers and have a chat about - if the earth is warming, then why over the past 3 winters has "polar vortex" become the new buzz word? And is it just me, or has our summers been shorter the past three years? I golfed in January in 2012, this year it was cold enough to skin ya by October. - if increase hurricane activity is proof, then why do hurricanes always form in the tropics water (as always) and it takes a LOW pressure to start them? - if the oceans are warming then wouldn't hurricane formations start further north .... Speaking of hurricanes, wasn't this year suspiciously quiet in hurricanes?? - if the oceans are steadily warming (proof of melting ice caps) then why does DFO data (data my wife collects sometimes) show the waters off Canada's east coast to be warming and cooling cyclically, in 10-15 yr cycles. As a side note, we are currently at the apex of the warming cycle, and DFO is hoping the cooling starts soon to help specific fisheries that are always better in cooler waters (shrimp, crab, etc ..) - Buffalo .... Explain 300cms of snow in one day if we are warming. Ok thats a funny, but think about that volume of snow All this being said, it is good practice to do what you can to be environmentally friendly ... Most do, but it'll never be enough for some It's colder because it's hotter....and the heat is hiding in the oceans (pirates?)....and we have weak walls that are letting the vortex over....and those damn hurricanes are hiding too....and antarctic is warming, wait, now it's freezing....and NYC is going to be swimming any day now....and NOAA needs to revise figures and conjure up new "historic records" 3 times because the damn satellites are not cooperating with the myth......and those emails where so misunderstood....and the climate hysteric limousine liberals are making a killing for your own good....and....and....and every single time the end-of-life sky falling hysterics meme fails, there is a new Alice In Wonderland conjured up explanation. Like all of us, we do our part to be eco responsible without living in climate hysterics. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 19:09:44 GMT -5
My best friend lives in Australia and he told me that Aussies would pay substantially less for the same system ... possibly a little less than what you're estimate, but yes, these companies will profit off you big time ... if you do actually go through one of them to do your work, some will pat on the back for helping save the planet and give you a $5,000 payout either in a personal cheque or as a discount to the $30Gs they charged you for the work ... only the fine print dictates that you agree to give any further profits your system generates, directly to their company ... ... yeah, we're east/west and have a pretty standard roof ... back to the companies, I was receiving about a call a month from both of them since I asked about their services ... as with a lot of other marketers, they've stopped calling ... Cheers. Dis, there is a lot more involved in rooftop projects then sticking solar panels on it. It starts from investigating your roof structure to changing your roof tiles to how the loads are distributed. Not a single one of the scammed will tell you the truth because it's money in the bank for them. I can not even offer the simplest opinion without first crawling in your attic. My best advice....don't do it unless you ply me with kegs of beer..... I was never committed, HA, but thanks ... I did some poking around to see what's what ... I would have used the majority profits as an investment for Dis Jr, not that he would know about it ... would you be good with Moosehead Lager, or Guinness ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2014 15:41:07 GMT -5
I was never committed, HA, but thanks ... I did some poking around to see what's what ... I would have used the majority profits as an investment for Dis Jr, not that he would know about it ... would you be good with Moosehead Lager, or Guinness ... Cheers. Dis, I can do some rudimentary measurements from Google Earth. IF, remember, IF you want to PM me your address, I can tell you if your orientation is suitable and approximately how many square meter and how much theoretical power you will get from it. The entire thing will take me several minutes so it's not putting me out of my way. Of course, this is all contingent that have a clear high resolution satellite view of the roof. I bet a half can of warm Coke that BC welched on that it's going to be lower then what the scammers told you. Panels put out way lower then theoretical because of dirt, snow, age degradation, bird droppings, leaves, etc. That's BESIDES the dc-to-ac conversion losses. You also better have a new, well spec and well built fiberglass tile roof with full stick-on underlayment that has half a chance of lasting 20 years. That alone will cost you at least $5K-$6k on a 2,500 ft roof. No roofer will ever do that on his own unless you know what and how to spec it. Then supervise it to make sure it's done properly. No scammer will ever recommend it because, well, they are scammers. (and that's why I can never make money on these schemes) Anywho, I can still give you an idea if you are comfortable with pm'ing your address. I will also do it for any HabsRus member....as long as you publically denounce Al Gore as a girly man. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 1, 2014 16:32:50 GMT -5
Dis,
Messages and files deleted. Do the same.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 1, 2014 18:38:25 GMT -5
Dis, Messages and files deleted. Do the same. I did it immediately after the last PM earlier this afternoon :-) Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 1, 2014 19:26:25 GMT -5
Obama pushes Global warming because his lies abbout it won't be proven until 2050 after the world has shot up one whole degree celsius.
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Post by franko on Sept 3, 2015 16:39:51 GMT -5
thought of you when I saw this, Cranky . . .  |
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. I should be able to play my own red grapes anytime soon now. 
... have a good one ... 
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