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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 8, 2014 11:46:43 GMT -5
...rumor all over the net right now.
What do you think ?
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Post by blny on Nov 8, 2014 12:13:31 GMT -5
Interesting. Yak has struggled mightily to start his career. He's shown himself to not be much of a 200 ft player. Petry is a reasonably big, RHD. He's considered a puck mover and not a stay at home guy. Where would he fit? Is the Gilbert experiment over? forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5701 - Petry forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7209 - Yakupov Here's another question: We've all seen how Therrien treats young players who make the slightest of mistakes. I do not think he's the coach to have if your eye is on Yakupov. Salaries moving in the deal: Yakupov $0.925 million (last year of ELC) Petry $3.075 million (last year of deal, then UFA) Eller $3.5 million for 4 years Beaulieu $0.925 million (last year of ELC) It's a wash numbers-wise, but you've got a pending UFA coming in and no idea where to put him. This is where the pro scouts make their money. Yakupov is the most talented player in the deal. No question. I just question whether he's going to put it together and whether Montreal and Therrien are the right fit. I think Montreal and another coach could be, but you still have to wonder whether Nail can handle playing in Montreal. I'd pay more for Kane. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 8, 2014 12:53:00 GMT -5
This first thing I thought of was reuniting Yakupov with Galchenyuk from their days in Sarnia ... Galchenyuk would then move to centre with Eller gone, Yak on his right wing ... we'd get a tad smaller up front but a tad bigger on the defence corps ...
Cheers.
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Post by Gogie on Nov 8, 2014 13:05:54 GMT -5
I'd do it in a flash. It would be a gamble, but as Dis mentioned, reuniting Galchenyuk and Yakupov might lead to some pretty magical stuff.
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Post by franko on Nov 8, 2014 14:09:49 GMT -5
I was trying to figure out line combos and gave up.
but c'mon . . . do you really think Yak will make a difference to Bourque's game?
honest reaction to the suggestion . . . no. 'cause MT will play Petry 26 minutes a game and ignore Tinordi. bring up Drewski. and then want MB to sign Kaberle next season so that we have veteran depth.
and I have no faith in Yak. He'll draw Gally down rather than Gally pulling him out of his doldrums.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 8, 2014 14:25:43 GMT -5
... and I have no faith in Yak. He'll draw Gally down rather than Gally pulling him out of his doldrums. Like the Kostitsyns? Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 8, 2014 14:30:54 GMT -5
honest reaction to the suggestion . . . no. 'cause MT will play Petry 26 minutes a game and ignore Tinordi. May I suggest a new nickname, based on your description of Jarred's development under MT? "IGNORDI" |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 8, 2014 15:00:30 GMT -5
I'll do it in a minute. Former first overall pick, worth the chance.
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Post by franko on Nov 8, 2014 15:07:56 GMT -5
I'll do it in a minute. Former first overall pick, worth the chance. Wickenheiser, Daigle, Stephan, Lawton, Falloon (OK, a #2) . . . depends, I guess, if you think Beaulieu will stick around. Petry for Eller becomes a salary dump after this season unless a miracle happens. MB is no MM(illbruy) |
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 8, 2014 15:10:02 GMT -5
I tend to ignore any rumor that include actual names. Even more so if there are multiple players involved.
Having said that the Habs have recalled Drayson Bowman.
I'd do the trade. Yakupov has way more upside than Eller does even if it is unrealized. Eller's upside has also been largely unrealized. Petry is a very underrated defenseman in my opinion and he's only 26.
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Post by christrpn on Nov 8, 2014 15:45:24 GMT -5
IDK, I've looked Petry up on youtube and all I see are players hitting him, he scored an own goal and had a night to forget. As far as Yakupov is concerned, when we played the Oilers out west he had a good game. Leveled Emelin along the boards and, if I'm not mistaken' had a goal and an assist. He's a fairly big body with a natural talent. I'd make a move for him.
As for Drayson Bowman: seems odd. Especially with all the trade rumors going around. Freidman said in his 30 thoughts that MB was lookking for a NHL caliber defendman and a RW for DD and Patches. So much so that Freidman would not have been surprised to see a trade before the Sabres game. Only time will tell. MB has a knack for pulling off a trade out of nowhere.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 8, 2014 16:03:38 GMT -5
IDK, I've looked Petry up on youtube and all I see are players hitting him, he scored an own goal and had a night to forget. As far as Yakupov is concerned, when we played the Oilers out west he had a good game. Leveled Emelin along the boards and, if I'm not mistaken' had a goal and an assist. He's a fairly big body with a natural talent. I'd make a move for him. As for Drayson Bowman: seems odd. Especially with all the trade rumors going around. Freidman said in his 30 thoughts that MB was lookking for a NHL caliber defendman and a RW for DD and Patches. So much so that Freidman would not have been surprised to see a trade before the Sabres game. Only time will tell. MB has a knack for pulling off a trade out of nowhere. IDK, about Petry. If he plays left side try pairing with Subban. He is not same without Gorges. Elemin not working out. He is more physical style than defensive defenseman |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 8, 2014 16:35:17 GMT -5
Frankly, I look at this move and ignore Petry. Maybe that's just me thinking who needs another meh defenseman. I would have hesitated 5 months ago. Eller had had the good playoff and was more the type of player I thought he could be. Beaulieu also had a decent playoff and was looking like the upside was high. Now, I would pull the trigger. I don't know if it's Therrien or Eller, but Lars just can't seem to involve the other players on his line the way he used to and Beaulieu doesn't seem to have improved in his own end. They're both still good prospects, but time is running out on Lars in that sense. He can definitely be a good 3rd line centre and possibly a good 2nd line centre with some good coaching. He's a big boy who can really skate and is a decent stickhandler. His shot needs to get better, but that's not the most difficult thing to do. So anyway, it's not like we're giving up chump change. I was also really hesitant about Yakupov because I wasn't sure of his attitude. It's gotten better. He's finishing his checks and he's better in his own end. There may still be a ways to go there, but I don't want to turn him into Bob Gainey. At the other end, he's a pure scorer and guess what we need? The Oilers are having their troubles, so the deal makes sense for them too. More offense from the back end and a good overall centre who doesn't have to be THE primary defensive centre on the team. Put him with Teddy Purcell and I think they'd work well together. It's a deal that makes sense for both team, but if it's an internet rumour, I'm not sold on it. Have there been any other internet rumours that became fact? It would be good to know. I'd love to have Yakupov on the team though. He wasn't a consensus #1 for nothing. Explosive skater and he can score. I'll take some of that. Petry has improved, from what I've read and he was a 2nd round pick. But....he's 26 (almost 27) so most of his development should have taken place and he's kind of lanky at 6' 3" and 198 lbs. Maybe his possession stats are good  ). I wouldn't want him holding back Tinordi, but he shoots right. maybe we can even throw Bourque into the trade. Anyway, yes, I'd do that trade. Galchy finally learning his centre spot and more strength at right wing (where we are weak offensively). Sekac -Galchenyuk - Yakupov Patches -DD - Parenteau (Weise or Prust) - Pleks - Gallagher Moen - Malhotra - (Prust or Weise) |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 8, 2014 17:28:04 GMT -5
I would be all over this trade. Yakupov is the best player in the trade. No disrespect to the other three guys as the are all very talented but Yakupov is what they call uber-talented. Oilers are in a tough position with him..... Imo they will regret trading him in the future, yet he does not fit there.i really think he's ready to takeoff but needs that change of scenery. Sucks for the oilers really...can't win here.
Petry has struggled from what I read. I think he's in the mold of a Tom Gilbert. Nice sized blueliner( who doesn't use it) and very mobile. Breakout specialist.
Eller had his ups and downs here. Great size and defensive game. Offensive game never really developed. I think he would do well in Edmonton though....good fit there. Getting away from Therrien would a blessing...... He played with more fourth liners the any of our other centres and playing left wing has not helped his development either. Breakout candidate here too.
Beaulieau has the most upside after yakupov. I never loved him but many think highly of his skill and more so of his skating...... But I really don't think he will become a mcdonagh after we trade him as many worry about...who knows lol
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 8, 2014 18:05:54 GMT -5
Sekac -Galchenyuk - Yakupov This is what I was looking at ... and looking at the remaining lines ... ... works for me ... just a sec ... where's Bourque ...  ... I don't know Petry's game all that well (like, not at all, actually), but he'd be a big defensive presence that keeps Bergevin's vision of a bigger team going in the right direction ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Nov 8, 2014 19:08:44 GMT -5
Frankly, I look at this move and ignore Petry. TSN690 was talking about the rumor and it was Yak for Eller and Beau; Petry not involved. |
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Post by blny on Nov 8, 2014 23:14:13 GMT -5
Yak isn't that big. He's listed 5'11 and is sub 190.
Petry is RHD, and he's not a stay at home guy, so he doesn't make sense as a partner for Subban.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 8, 2014 23:53:01 GMT -5
Meh ... I'd prefer Eller. Eller works hard, and we can build around Eller and know he will succeed. Not so Yakupov. Yak may have been drafted #1, but the Habs got the best player in that draft.
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Post by christrpn on Nov 9, 2014 8:32:12 GMT -5
Performance against Minnesota not withstanding, Habs need a puck shooter. Gallaghers goal and Ellers goal were a reminder that we don't have these types of players in the lineup. Eller is a better playmaker than he is shooter, Gallagher crashes the net and picks up the garbage and Patches sits in the slot. Yakupov would be a welcome addition to the offense. I don't want my first two lines to have to worry about defense. Score the goals. Problem is, without Eller, Plekaanec falls back to his two way role. I think we all agree that we don't think that is what's best
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Post by Disp on Nov 9, 2014 8:55:59 GMT -5
Trading Eller would be a mistake. Yakupov would be nice to have, but at this point, a trade like this would make us worse. We could use a sniper for sure, however I think we need big bodies that can win puck battles more.
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Post by PTH on Nov 10, 2014 7:16:22 GMT -5
If I had Yakupov, I wouldn't give him for a big 3d line center who can't produce 7 years after being drafted, and an offensive defenseman prospect who isn't in a rush to make an impact...
Add a 1st, and it's still thin. If the Oilers deal a talented asset to get depth, they'll want more than Eller and Beaulieu.
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Post by Disp on Nov 10, 2014 7:34:33 GMT -5
If I had Yakupov, I wouldn't give him for a big 3d line center who can't produce 7 years after being drafted, and an offensive defenseman prospect who isn't in a rush to make an impact... Add a 1st, and it's still thin. If the Oilers deal a talented asset to get depth, they'll want more than Eller and Beaulieu. Sure, but the team that gets him will give up some great assets for someone who may turn out to be sergei berezin reincarnated.  |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 10, 2014 7:46:04 GMT -5
Performance against Minnesota not withstanding, Habs need a puck shooter. Gallaghers goal and Ellers goal were a reminder that we don't have these types of players in the lineup. Eller is a better playmaker than he is shooter, Gallagher crashes the net and picks up the garbage and Patches sits in the slot. Yakupov would be a welcome addition to the offense. I don't want my first two lines to have to worry about defense. Score the goals. Problem is, without Eller, Plekaanec falls back to his two way role. I think we all agree that we don't think that is what's best Little doubt Habs will add a goal scorer by trade deadline. However, I doubt it will be Yakupov. Still too early for Oilers to give up on him. Somewhere in distant future he likely will be here, given his past success with Galchenyuk. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 10, 2014 15:11:30 GMT -5
If I had Yakupov, I wouldn't give him for a big 3d line center who can't produce 7 years after being drafted, and an offensive defenseman prospect who isn't in a rush to make an impact... Add a 1st, and it's still thin. If the Oilers deal a talented asset to get depth, they'll want more than Eller and Beaulieu. Keep Sekac with Eller for a few games more and Eller will become a 20 goal, 40 assist man. We may not want to give him up. And Beaulieu has just shown he's another John Ferguson. Not too shabby for a 21 year old dman. One game later and we're giving up a lot more than we were 3 days ago. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 10, 2014 17:10:52 GMT -5
I'd have to spend more time watching Yakupov, but my quick read of the advanced stats tell me "nyet".
Yakupov is a negative possession player across the board. Corsi, Fenwick, whatever. And he gets some of the easiest assignments and zone starts on the team, taking about 80% of his draws in the offensive zone. And it's not because Edmonton is a bad team - Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Perron are all positive possession players that drive play to the offensive zone. Of course stats aren't everything, how does the player actually LOOK?? I don't know, but my gut tells me that Yakupov hasn't worked out all that great and there's a reason the Oilers might be dangling him. And doesn't he have the reputation for being a floater and not a great work ethic?
And to give up both Eller and Beaulieu? No thanks. I'd rather target a guy like David Perron where we might only need to give up Beaulieu or Tinordi plus maybe a roster player like Moen or Parenteau to send back some salary. You only do that deal if you are sold on Yakupov and I'm not. We've seen plenty of #1 picks flame out to believe his draft status and skill level alone are worth the price.
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Post by blny on Nov 10, 2014 17:33:10 GMT -5
I'd have to spend more time watching Yakupov, but my quick read of the advanced stats tell me "nyet". Yakupov is a negative possession player across the board. Corsi, Fenwick, whatever. And he gets some of the easiest assignments and zone starts on the team, taking about 80% of his draws in the offensive zone. And it's not because Edmonton is a bad team - Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Perron are all positive possession players that drive play to the offensive zone. Of course stats aren't everything, how does the player actually LOOK?? I don't know, but my gut tells me that Yakupov hasn't worked out all that great and there's a reason the Oilers might be dangling him. And doesn't he have the reputation for being a floater and not a great work ethic? And to give up both Eller and Beaulieu? No thanks. I'd rather target a guy like David Perron where we might only need to give up Beaulieu or Tinordi plus maybe a roster player like Moen or Parenteau to send back some salary. You only do that deal if you are sold on Yakupov and I'm not. We've seen plenty of #1 picks flame out to believe his draft status and skill level alone are worth the price. This is how I feel. Sky's the limit with Yak, but I'm afraid he might not get off the ground. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 12, 2014 17:28:08 GMT -5
Beaulieu is a super player with lots of untapped potential, skates well, shoots, dekes, carries the puck, offensive skills.
Yakupov has tons of speed, quickness, scoring and potential.
Neither has ever produced.
Yakupov has been given the opportunity to produce while Beaulieu has not.
We need a sniper but we need young "D" men too as we now have an ageing corps.
Two years ago it was a no brainer.... Grab Yakupov.
Today I still prefer the potential of Yak but Beaulieu has proved better than I thought and Yak has underperformed.
Edge to Yakupov but by a slim margin.
Size matters on this team so go with the smaller player???
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 14, 2014 11:15:29 GMT -5
Beaulieu is a super player with lots of untapped potential, skates well, shoots, dekes, carries the puck, offensive skills. I might be unpopular with this opinion but Beaulieu has proven a lot more than Tinordi to this point ... I keep hearing about Tinordi being a beast and his potential and .... he can drop them, there's no doubting that, but Beaulieu is now establishing himself on the Montreal blue line and if he's part of a trade for anyone it would have to be for a can't-miss home run kinda player ... the kid had two fights recently and he dropped both guys like a pair of bad habits ... I can't remember McDonagh ever doing that ... he'll lose a couple of fights in the future, sure, but what player doesn't ... I'm really impressed with this kid ... a Gauthier/Gainey selection to boot ... as is Tinordi ... I'd just like to see more from him ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 14, 2014 15:40:01 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that Yakupov is not worth Eller or Beau.
How many times have we heard of the player with all the tools.....and no tool box? It's not like Yakupov brings in intangible benefits.
BGal is and probably will be in a different league from Yakupov. His drafting position doesn't impress me much.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 15, 2014 6:40:11 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that Yakupov is not worth Eller or Beau. How many times have we heard of the player with all the tools.....and no tool box? It's not like Yakupov brings in intangible benefits. BGal is and probably will be in a different league from Yakupov. His drafting position doesn't impress me much. Eller is a big, fast third liner with a little scoring touch. He has peaked. He is in his prime and has reached his potential. Beaulieu still has tons of upside, skill and potential. I rank him way above Eller. Tinordi could be a fixture on our defense for a long time. You can't teach size. He is our fighter who also plays regular minutes, clears the slot and adds physicality and some emerging offensive skills. Yakupov has tons of speed, QUICKNESS, and a scorers touch. He could become our best player ( that includes Pacioretty and Subban) or our next disgruntled enigmatic psychology 101 coaches problem. He too can be back "to Russia with love!" We stand no chance of drafting a Crosby, Perry, McDavid or Drouin any time in the next 10 years. Yak could be that guy. I remember Dionne looking great right away while Lafleur took a few years on the bench to reach his potential. Subban, Tinordi and Beaulieu will be here long after Markov and Gonchar are in assisted living quarters in Russia. Yakupov is a risk, but I still buy lottery tickets with much longer odds. This all an exercise in fantasy. Bottom line, hate to lose Beaulieu most of all but you have to give to get. |
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). I wouldn't want him holding back Tinordi, but he shoots right. maybe we can even throw Bourque into the trade. Anyway, yes, I'd do that trade. Galchy finally learning his centre spot and more strength at right wing (where we are weak offensively). 
... I don't know Petry's game all that well (like, not at all, actually), but he'd be a big defensive presence that keeps Bergevin's vision of a bigger team going in the right direction ... 
