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Post by franko on Nov 20, 2014 8:33:46 GMT -5
Rather than keep the Pens-Habs thread going I figured may as well move the discussion to a thread of its own . . . it may actually rival the Dyment thread in length!
anyway, I say "good on them" -- as in Leaf fans -- for expressing frustration. as much as I revel in their pain and in the team's futility, the team is an embarrassment to the league. only in Toronto would such ineffectiveness over the years be tolerated. however, it seems that fans have been pushed past the boiling point (that's all I can stands, I can't stands no more; I'm mad as he** and I'm not goig to take it any more).
I'm cheap -- I would never throw a jersey on to the ice. however, I would refuse to go to the games (and I might even lower a flag to half mast) should my team be that bad terrible absolutely appalling. Looks like days of guaranteed ticket sales "just because it's the Leafs" may be ending . . .
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Post by jkr on Nov 20, 2014 8:47:12 GMT -5
Damian Cox was making fun of the jersey throwers about a month ago - says it's not even an original protest. This is true as they took this idea from Oilers fans. These things cost 100-200 dollars so throwing it away is stupid. But if it gets me a lifetime ban on watching the Leafs then it's a good thing.  |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 20, 2014 9:19:18 GMT -5
I hope they're struck many times by Lightning bolts.
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Post by franko on Nov 20, 2014 11:58:31 GMT -5
headline:
Toronto Maple Leafs GM Dave Nonis preaching patience amid panic
maybe he's right . . . it's only been 45 years. well, 46 going on 47 . . . but why quibble? just take it easy (. . . oohm . . .) it'll be OK.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 20, 2014 12:12:35 GMT -5
I hope they're struck many times by Lightning bolts. Much better for us if TO wins so I'm hoping for them. Go Leafs. (Did I mention I dislike Tampa?). |
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Post by franko on Nov 20, 2014 12:45:04 GMT -5
I hope they're struck many times by Lightning bolts. Much better for us if TO wins so I'm hoping for them. Go Leafs. (Did I mention I dislike Tampa?). as much as it pains me . . . yes. TO wins, gets hopes up, still doesn't make playoffs. TB wins, gets 2 points, we continue the back and forth with them. I won't actively cheer for the Leafs but I won't cry if they win. (this tape will self destruct in 10 seconds). and I'll deny it if anyone brings this up again. |
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Post by 24in93 on Nov 20, 2014 16:13:19 GMT -5
I usually prefer the Leafs to be in that sweet spot where the wool is pulled sufficiently over the fanbases eyes. Where they're just missing the playoffs but giving their fans faint hope all year only to blow it in the end. Status quo in other words. A regime change usually reinvigorates them to the point of nauseum. Although it's been decades of regime changes failing as bad as the previous one, I'm always nervous the next one might actually get it right.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 20, 2014 18:04:57 GMT -5
I have tickets for February 7 , Edmonton at Toronto. The McDavid Bowl?
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Post by franko on Nov 21, 2014 11:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by 24in93 on Nov 21, 2014 14:34:16 GMT -5
So the Leafs pull out a win last night. Usually that would settle things down a bit in the media and with the fans. But these are the Leafs we're talking about. They collectively decided that last night was a good time to stop the fan salute after a win. Big issue in the media down here. I find the salute thing a bit corny and forced myself, but the issue is that after two horrible losses the leadership group of the Leafs decided that it was a good idea to make this change. In a town like this they obviously have no clue.
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Post by franko on Nov 21, 2014 14:39:20 GMT -5
cracked me up when I heard that. wonder what they were thinking: "that'll teach them that we don't care about them!".
good idea -- show those fans that they mean nothing.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 21, 2014 15:25:13 GMT -5
Let's do the math.
Maybe half the fans boo a loss.
Maybe 2 people throw merch on the ice.
So, when we win, let's give a big one-finger salute to EVERYBODY….for the rest of the year.
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I don't mind the salute at all….it's the team saying thank you for cheering us on to victory, and for spending your hard-earned money to support a league which allows us to become multi-millionaires.
Once you start recognizing the contribution of the crowd after a victory, it's silly to take it away….especially on vindictive grounds. Phaneuf and JVR said it wasn't a snub….just "changing the routine".
What other courtesies are they going to stop doing?
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Post by franko on Nov 21, 2014 15:35:05 GMT -5
What other courtesies are they going to stop doing? well, they've already stopped playing hockey. methinks that not ca$hing the paycheque isn't in the cards, though. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 21, 2014 15:38:23 GMT -5
Let's do the math. Maybe half the fans boo a loss. Maybe 2 people throw merch on the ice. So, when we win, let's give a big one-finger salute to EVERYBODY….for the rest of the year. ================================================ I don't mind the salute at all….it's the team saying thank you for cheering us on to victory, and for spending your hard-earned money to support a league which allows us to become multi-millionaires. Once you start recognizing the contribution of the crowd after a victory, it's silly to take it away….especially on vindictive grounds. Phaneuf and JVR said it wasn't a snub….just "changing the routine". What other courtesies are they going to stop doing? Childish. Hard to believe we are talking about adults here. Phaneuf,as captain, should have put a stop to this. Shows that there is no leadership here from top to bottom, on and off the ice. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 21, 2014 17:04:48 GMT -5
I like the turmoil...mostly my friends who are Leafs fans are the biggest blow hards when they win.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 8, 2014 14:19:11 GMT -5
Anybody else hear about this??
Jonathan Bernier clueless about Nelson Mandela at Nelson Mandela event
By Greg Wyshynski
The Toronto Raptors honored the late Nelson Mandela on Friday night at an event called “The Giant of Africa.”On the first anniversary of his death, the South African president and human rights icon was celebrated throughout their game against the Cavaliers, from the team wearing special warm-up gear to videos throughout the night.
Perhaps Toronto Maple Leafs goaltender Jonathan Bernier caught a few of those vignettes on the Jumbotron. Perhaps he then thought, “Holy [crap], I guess Nelson Mandela wasn’t a star athlete after all…”
Bernier was interviewed at the event, wearing a nice suit and supporting … well, someone he thought was a tremendous athlete he watched growing up.
The video was on the Raptors’ YouTube on Saturday before it was removed; Reddit user TeroTheTerror on r/Hockey provides a transcript:
Reporter1 (SportsNet mic): Alright Jonathan, how important is, uh, the legacy of Nelson Mandela to you?
JB: Well obviously he’s been, uh, a tremendous, uh, athlete and you know obviously what, uh, he means to all the sports you know when you know the worl- the world can uh be changed by the sports it’s pretty amazing. And I think he’s definitely uh got a lot of respect in every sports and uh he’s definitely one of the athletes I watched growing up as well.
Reporter1’s mic disappears from frame
Reporter2: Why is it important for you to come show support tonight?
JB: Well I think any good cause is, uh, sorry (he’s apologizing to someone to the left of the screen, not sure who/why), it’s always, uh, you know I love supporting, uh, any kind of cause obviously it’s for the Afri-, in Africa it’s obviously it’s, uh, a great cause, and enjoying, I guess, the basketball game.
Reporter2: Thanks.
Now, it’s possible that Bernier brain-farted and thought that the question was about one of the star athletes attending the event, like Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley. Although the question clearly asked about Nelson Mandela.
And in fairness, Mandela was a tremendous athlete: an amateur boxer who ran two hours a day. And he did believe the world could change thanks to sports.
But, um, we’re pretty sure Bernier didn’t grow up watching Nelson Mandela play sports. Then again, he was only 70 years old when Bernier was born. And, like Jagr’s still playing, so anything’s possible.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 13, 2014 0:05:58 GMT -5
Of course…. Babcock Watching Leafs CarefullySo, the Sportsnet headline reads. Ron MacLean actually said… "“I think he’s probably watching Toronto as carefully as anything,” MacLean told Brady & Walker Friday on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. Raising hopes on nothing but speculation. MacLean doesn't have a clue what Babcock is going to do. But don't tell that to Leafs' fans. What Babcock should watch carefully is the list of people who have been heralded as Toronto saviours, only to fail to bring back the glory of a time when Adam West was running around in purple tights….or when 90-year-old Johnny Bower was 42. Burke, Gustavsson, Phaneuf, Giguere, Kessel, Clarkson…now Shanahan (too early to tell)….I'm sure there have been more. The last quote from MacLean made me laugh out loud: “He’s in the catbird seat,” MacLean said. “He’s in a good spot. It’s not about money. It’s about him wanting that challenge of a dynasty (with the) Toronto Maple Leafs. If he sees a team he thinks he can win with then he’ll be here.” Not just a Cup….a dynasty! |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 13, 2014 12:08:02 GMT -5
Posted this in the off-season when things were slow ... sorry ... call it a weakness ... edit: mind you they're scoring the odd goal now ...
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2014 12:25:25 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2014 12:27:16 GMT -5
Of course…. Babcock Watching Leafs CarefullySo, the Sportsnet headline reads. Ron MacLean actually said… "“I think he’s probably watching Toronto as carefully as anything,” MacLean told Brady & Walker Friday on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. Raising hopes on nothing but speculation. MacLean doesn't have a clue what Babcock is going to do. But don't tell that to Leafs' fans. What Babcock should watch carefully is the list of people who have been heralded as Toronto saviours, only to fail to bring back the glory of a time when Adam West was running around in purple tights….or when 90-year-old Johnny Bower was 42. Burke, Gustavsson, Phaneuf, Giguere, Kessel, Clarkson…now Shanahan (too early to tell)….I'm sure there have been more. The last quote from MacLean made me laugh out loud: “He’s in the catbird seat,” MacLean said. “He’s in a good spot. It’s not about money. It’s about him wanting that challenge of a dynasty (with the) Toronto Maple Leafs. If he sees a team he thinks he can win with then he’ll be here.” Not just a Cup….a dynasty! What a tool. No wonder Mclean is relegated to Hometown hockey. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 13, 2014 13:08:16 GMT -5
That's the safe bet…and it makes sense. If Ilitch thinks he's got the essence of another perennial contender in development, then he'll open the wallet so his coach stays. Oh, I forgot, he'll go to Toronto because money doesn't matter…it's all about the opportunity for a "dynasty". What a joke….the ONLY thing the Leafs have that could persuade Babcock is money. I would presume negotiating with another team's coach-under-contract is tampering…as it is with players. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 13, 2014 14:19:42 GMT -5
No matter who he signs with he'll do fine money wise. I don't think that will be the criteria on which he bases his decision. I think family factors will play a role balanced with a team that can give him good material to work with and supportive ownership. I don't think that will be Detroit. Nyquist and Tatar are not Datsyuk and Zetterberg.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 13, 2014 16:42:46 GMT -5
No matter who he signs with he'll do fine money wise. I don't think that will be the criteria on which he bases his decision. I think family factors will play a role balanced with a team that can give him good material to work with and supportive ownership. I don't think that will be Detroit. Nyquist and Tatar are not Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I read it somewhere but the columnist I was reading suggested it might be the richest coaching contract ever and that he'd be re-signing with Detroit ... I don't know why he'd want to leave Motor City ... he's built a mini dynasty there ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 13, 2014 16:57:43 GMT -5
Of course…. Babcock Watching Leafs CarefullySo, the Sportsnet headline reads. Ron MacLean actually said… "“I think he’s probably watching Toronto as carefully as anything,” MacLean told Brady & Walker Friday on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. Raising hopes on nothing but speculation. MacLean doesn't have a clue what Babcock is going to do. But don't tell that to Leafs' fans. What Babcock should watch carefully is the list of people who have been heralded as Toronto saviours, only to fail to bring back the glory of a time when Adam West was running around in purple tights….or when 90-year-old Johnny Bower was 42. Burke, Gustavsson, Phaneuf, Giguere, Kessel, Clarkson…now Shanahan (too early to tell)….I'm sure there have been more. The last quote from MacLean made me laugh out loud: “He’s in the catbird seat,” MacLean said. “He’s in a good spot. It’s not about money. It’s about him wanting that challenge of a dynasty (with the) Toronto Maple Leafs. If he sees a team he thinks he can win with then he’ll be here.” Not just a Cup….a dynasty! What a tool. No wonder Mclean is relegated to Hometown hockey. I'm very disappointed with Ron MacLean's comments ... you just don't do that to the fans ... it's like the media starting the Brian-Burke-to-Toronto tripe as early as two years before he got there ... and they were there to hold the door for him when he was canned ... he made a difference in the (very) short term, but in the end he couldn't get out of town fast enough ... honestly, though, if they want to punch their ticket to the final I think Paul MacLean would be able to get them there and if he can't do it with the lineup the Leafs have, then it's definitely not the coach ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 13, 2014 17:25:24 GMT -5
Right on, Dis….talk about hype for Burke. They rolled out the red carpet…opened the vault….gave him the keys to the city….made him THE FACE/STAR of the team…even to the point of overpriced concessions…  In my experience, the Leafs have a very high percentage of ignorance in their fan base. I overheard a female colleague the other day….a "diehard" (so she says) Leaf fan. She was going on and on about the play of "Kaveroff….Koverlev….Komilev"….. I said, "You mean Komarov?" She said, "Whatever his name is…he's awesome!" |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 20, 2015 8:21:56 GMT -5
Apparently, another 4 jerseys on the ice in losing 4-1 to Carolina.
Toronto Sun headline this morning: "
LEAFS HIT ROCK BOTTOM...AGAIN. But they scored a goal!"
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 20, 2015 10:21:01 GMT -5
Apparently, another 4 jerseys on the ice in losing 4-1 to Carolina. Toronto Sun headline this morning: " LEAFS HIT ROCK BOTTOM...AGAIN. But they scored a goal!" Apparently several fans have been charged with public mischief for throwing their jerseys on the ice ... I've also heard some announcers say that it's a waste of money to throw an expensive jersey on the ice ... well, they're right but at the same time it's a lot cheaper than wasting money on tickets to see a product like that, more so when you're a seasons ticket holder ... I grew up in Ottawa during the 60's and 70's and Ottawa fans did it right ... the Rough Riders kept losing year after year to the point where people simply stopped going to the games ... eventually that decades-old franchise just folded up ... the Renegades emerged but they were victims of the same shotty ownership group that killed the Rough Riders and once they started losing the same thing happened to them ... people just won't support a losing franchise ... IMHO, they can throw as many jerseys on the ice as they want, but until there are unpaid empty seats in the ACC the powers that be may not care ... and, as an outsider looking in, they're going to have to move Kessel and dismantle that core ... not that I really know one way or the other ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 20, 2015 11:03:45 GMT -5
Apparently, another 4 jerseys on the ice in losing 4-1 to Carolina. Toronto Sun headline this morning: " LEAFS HIT ROCK BOTTOM...AGAIN. But they scored a goal!" Apparently several fans have been charged with public mischief for throwing their jerseys on the ice ... I've also heard some announcers say that it's a waste of money to throw an expensive jersey on the ice ... well, they're right but at the same time it's a lot cheaper than wasting money on tickets to see a product like that, more so when you're a seasons ticket holder ... I grew up in Ottawa during the 60's and 70's and Ottawa fans did it right ... the Rough Riders kept losing year after year to the point where people simply stopped going to the games ... eventually that decades-old franchise just folded up ... the Renegades emerged but they were victims of the same shotty ownership group that killed the Rough Riders and once they started losing the same thing happened to them ... people just won't support a losing franchise ... IMHO, they can throw as many jerseys on the ice as they want, but until there are unpaid empty seats in the ACC the powers that be may not care ... and, as an outsider looking in, they're going to have to move Kessel and dismantle that core ... not that I really know one way or the other ... Cheers. I heard the people were charged because the jerseys were thrown while play was going on. If that's true then they should be charged. There is risk there. If you don't want the jersey, give it away. I'm sure some kids would love to have them. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 20, 2015 12:17:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I could use some rags to clean the car!
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 20, 2015 13:11:10 GMT -5
The "ice-jersey" is a powerful in-arena gesture. Completely inappropriate during play, of course, but I can understand why it's done. You're looking at a lot of frustration. 4 collapses in a row...and there appears to be little hope on the horizon. The basic sentiment I've heard is, "We gotta rebuild...and it's gonna be at least another 5 years before we're contenders."
Staying away won't do it....because the crowds won't stay away. Ha! Nobody's going to cancel their season's tickets, and even if they did, there's a waiting list a mile long.
It has to be a visual protest. Perhaps picketing outside the ACC....have fans ever done that?
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