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Post by franko on Mar 10, 2015 11:17:21 GMT -5
can you blame Josh for refusing to go there? at least with Barfalo there's future hope.
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Post by blny on Mar 11, 2015 11:28:40 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 11, 2015 13:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 11, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
We had those party animals in our house for a while ... it's easy for the organization to point fingers, but what have they done to bring him around ... Gainey hired a watchdog, but that really didn't do anything to detour behavior ... Bergevin started a billeting/mentoring kind of approach that other teams use ... Gallagher was billeted under Josh Gorges ... I don't know if they did this with Galchenyuk, but the problems the club was having only a few years back don't seem to be there now ... in short, I don't know if it's all Kadri's fault ... sounds like the Leafs may be suffering from a lack of leadership ... hey, we're qualified to say that ... we went through years of it ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Mar 11, 2015 16:56:33 GMT -5
It's easy to forget these are kids getting paid A LOT of money. The friends they had growing up can leech, new 'friends' can drag them out and be distractions. It's easy to wanna soak up 'the life'. Even people on a regular pay check can get caught up in that when they're young, working, and out on their own. You either wear it thin or burn out.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 11, 2015 21:04:07 GMT -5
Good points, guys.....further to it....
Met up with an old Leafs' fan buddy tonight in a local pub. The Toronto-Buffalo game was on.
He said he couldn't believe that Shanahan held a PC to point out that the problem was bigger than just sleeping-in.
His point was that Kadri could've learned the same lesson behind closed doors.
I said that the extra two games needed some kind of explanation. Maybe Shanahan is placating the fans...showing them that the Leafs' brass is now no-nonsense and on top of things.
My buddy said, "Yeah, but that doesn't do Kadri any favours with the fans. Now everybody thinks he's an immature punk."
What a circus.
And like Dis said...we went through it for many years....the Kostitsyns....Kovalev....Riberio....Theodore....Dagenais..
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Post by Skilly on Mar 12, 2015 10:00:22 GMT -5
I really do NOT like how the Toronto Maple Leafs handled this, and more specifically how Brendan Shanahan handled this.
It's fine to suspend Kadri, I have no problem with that. It's the sequencing.
Kadri shows up late for a team meeting (I believe Shanahan said it was 15 minutes late?). We then hear that he is benched for the next game; all the tickers that I saw reported Horachek told Kadri he is benched for one game for being late. Nazem Kadri then publically apologizes for being late and for letting his teammates down. The day after he apologizes, and the day after he was benched, Shanahan calls an impromptu news conference to tell everyone that Kadri is suspended (not BENCHED) for 2 extra games because "there is a history here".
I call BS on all that. If there was a history, why wasnt it addressed earlier? Why wait until after his originally reported punishment was served? Why not call him in to the office after the incident and tell him then that he was going to miss three games, and then inform the media. Better yet, why inform the media at all??
This was Mickey Mouse from top to bottom ... from Kadri's unprofessionalism, to Shanahan's management style.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 12, 2015 10:46:16 GMT -5
This was Mickey Mouse from top to bottom ... from Kadri's unprofessionalism, to Shanahan's management style. Kind of reminds me of the Scheiße Sturm under Gauthier ... always about the drama ... never went away ... the team kept losing ... we're looking better nowadays, I dare say ... Cheers. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 12, 2015 11:08:32 GMT -5
I really do NOT like how the Toronto Maple Leafs handled this, and more specifically how Brendan Shanahan handled this. It's fine to suspend Kadri, I have no problem with that. It's the sequencing. Kadri shows up late for a team meeting (I believe Shanahan said it was 15 minutes late?). We then hear that he is benched for the next game; all the tickers that I saw reported Horachek told Kadri he is benched for one game for being late. Nazem Kadri then publically apologizes for being late and for letting his teammates down. The day after he apologizes, and the day after he was benched, Shanahan calls an impromptu news conference to tell everyone that Kadri is suspended (not BENCHED) for 2 extra games because "there is a history here". I call BS on all that. If there was a history, why wasnt it addressed earlier? Why wait until after his originally reported punishment was served? Why not call him in to the office after the incident and tell him then that he was going to miss three games, and then inform the media. Better yet, why inform the media at all?? This was Mickey Mouse from top to bottom ... from Kadri's unprofessionalism, to Shanahan's management style. I guess that depends on what happened after the first suspension and apology. Say Kadri apologizes, and then as he's walking past Horacek says something stupid like "there, happy? Eff you, I didn't feel like playing tonight anyways." Or what if he was late for the first practice/meeting after his apology? What if he spent the entire game he was benched complaining about how unfairly he's being treated, being forced to apologize and all that? As for it being addressed earlier, maybe it was? Everybody keeps saying that they shouldn't have gone to the media with it, kept it internal and all that, but maybe that's what Shanahan was trying to say? That there was a history, that they had kept it internal in the past, and Kadri just hasn't learned. Eventually you have no choice. It's hard to say without knowing the whole timeline of things. So... Kadri for Desharnais?  |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 12, 2015 11:14:46 GMT -5
I really do NOT like how the Toronto Maple Leafs handled this, and more specifically how Brendan Shanahan handled this. It's fine to suspend Kadri, I have no problem with that. It's the sequencing. Kadri shows up late for a team meeting (I believe Shanahan said it was 15 minutes late?). We then hear that he is benched for the next game; all the tickers that I saw reported Horachek told Kadri he is benched for one game for being late. Nazem Kadri then publically apologizes for being late and for letting his teammates down. The day after he apologizes, and the day after he was benched, Shanahan calls an impromptu news conference to tell everyone that Kadri is suspended (not BENCHED) for 2 extra games because "there is a history here". I call BS on all that. If there was a history, why wasnt it addressed earlier? Why wait until after his originally reported punishment was served? Why not call him in to the office after the incident and tell him then that he was going to miss three games, and then inform the media. Better yet, why inform the media at all?? This was Mickey Mouse from top to bottom ... from Kadri's unprofessionalism, to Shanahan's management style. If I was Kadri i would be informing the Leafs that I am done for the year...I have a sore knee or my head hurts etc......Then inform them that I will probably be injured next year as well. Maybe you should trade me in the off season. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 12, 2015 11:28:22 GMT -5
I really do NOT like how the Toronto Maple Leafs handled this, and more specifically how Brendan Shanahan handled this. It's fine to suspend Kadri, I have no problem with that. It's the sequencing. Kadri shows up late for a team meeting (I believe Shanahan said it was 15 minutes late?). We then hear that he is benched for the next game; all the tickers that I saw reported Horachek told Kadri he is benched for one game for being late. Nazem Kadri then publically apologizes for being late and for letting his teammates down. The day after he apologizes, and the day after he was benched, Shanahan calls an impromptu news conference to tell everyone that Kadri is suspended (not BENCHED) for 2 extra games because "there is a history here". I call BS on all that. If there was a history, why wasnt it addressed earlier? Why wait until after his originally reported punishment was served? Why not call him in to the office after the incident and tell him then that he was going to miss three games, and then inform the media. Better yet, why inform the media at all?? This was Mickey Mouse from top to bottom ... from Kadri's unprofessionalism, to Shanahan's management style. I guess that depends on what happened after the first suspension and apology. Say Kadri apologizes, and then as he's walking past Horacek says something stupid like "there, happy? Eff you, I didn't feel like playing tonight anyways." Or what if he was late for the first practice/meeting after his apology? What if he spent the entire game he was benched complaining about how unfairly he's being treated, being forced to apologize and all that? As for it being addressed earlier, maybe it was? Everybody keeps saying that they shouldn't have gone to the media with it, kept it internal and all that, but maybe that's what Shanahan was trying to say? That there was a history, that they had kept it internal in the past, and Kadri just hasn't learned. Eventually you have no choice. It's hard to say without knowing the whole timeline of things. So... Kadri for Desharnais? Keeping something like this from the media would be near impossible ... I'm not sure what Shanahan's agenda was by going public with it ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 12, 2015 13:33:28 GMT -5
Kadri's fan-boy Cherry will likely have something to say on Saturday night…. He'd better be not be throwing stones at Shanahan. Cherry has bragged in the past of choking Mike McEwen on the bench (for insubordination/defiance) during a Rockies' game….and he's publicly blamed his goalie, Hardy Astrom, for that failed season in Colorado. Best to not say anything, Don…if you really want to help the Leafs' cause. Although he did tell Kadri to "keep your mouth shut and play hockey" back in December. Starting at the 6:00 mark of the Audio Link that starts playing upon opening the page. |
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Post by frozone on Mar 12, 2015 15:51:35 GMT -5
Considering Toronto has already shut down Robidas and Polak for the year, and now the Kadri benching... I'm led to believe that the Leafs are just using every possible excuse to tank.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2015 15:53:07 GMT -5
That's exactly what I think too frozone ...
I was watching one of the talk shows on Sportsnet and they were going through the sequencing of events , they were all bewildered why one game suddenly, very publically got turned into three.
Everyone seemed to feel that Kadri took the originally punishment very well, and his apology was sincere (I don't know, I never heard it) ... And they all seemed to agree that these extra games are for events earlier in the season.
I'd have no problem if when he missed the meeting, he was told he was sitting for three games. The Leafs could go to the media then and explain or not.
But to back track after the fact, reeks of ulterior motives
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2015 19:00:41 GMT -5
I really do NOT like how the Toronto Maple Leafs handled this, and more specifically how Brendan Shanahan handled this. It's fine to suspend Kadri, I have no problem with that. It's the sequencing. Kadri shows up late for a team meeting (I believe Shanahan said it was 15 minutes late?). We then hear that he is benched for the next game; all the tickers that I saw reported Horachek told Kadri he is benched for one game for being late. Nazem Kadri then publically apologizes for being late and for letting his teammates down. The day after he apologizes, and the day after he was benched, Shanahan calls an impromptu news conference to tell everyone that Kadri is suspended (not BENCHED) for 2 extra games because "there is a history here". I call BS on all that. If there was a history, why wasnt it addressed earlier? Why wait until after his originally reported punishment was served? Why not call him in to the office after the incident and tell him then that he was going to miss three games, and then inform the media. Better yet, why inform the media at all?? This was Mickey Mouse from top to bottom ... from Kadri's unprofessionalism, to Shanahan's management style. If I was Kadri i would be informing the Leafs that I am done for the year...I have a sore knee or my head hurts etc......Then inform them that I will probably be injured next year as well. Maybe you should trade me in the off season. Cherry saying Kadri is gone once he's UFA. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 15, 2015 12:27:30 GMT -5
If I was Kadri i would be informing the Leafs that I am done for the year...I have a sore knee or my head hurts etc......Then inform them that I will probably be injured next year as well. Maybe you should trade me in the off season. Cherry saying Kadri is gone once he's UFA. I wouldn't blame the kid.....I think Shanahan made a bad choice going public like that.... Media eats that stuff up and runs with it...... I've read articles that Shanahan was no angle in the locker room himself during his playing career so maybe he should know better look who is number 15 here in this article......kinda Tabloid stuff but point is the guy shouldnt be hanging their dirty laundry out in public www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-worst-locker-room-cancers-in-nhl-history/?view=all |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 18, 2015 11:26:07 GMT -5
Kadri got 4 games for the elbow!! TSN |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 18, 2015 12:10:01 GMT -5
Kadri got 4 games for the elbow!! TSN(Sorry, Reap. The first time I posted this, I hit EDIT on your post instead of QUOTE. Your post is back to its original state.) I noticed how he tried to make it look accidental afterwards…..and how Romanuk and Millen are full of apologetics. He knew exactly what he was doing. An intentional blindside headshot. The kid's a little messed up right now. Shanahan would be wise to institute a mentoring system for their young guys….or revamp it if they currently have one. |
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Post by Dschens on Mar 18, 2015 13:13:19 GMT -5
Eight pages of Laughs talk on our board?!? Strange. Anyway, I can't see so clearly the intention. Nevertheless if you hurt someone you should always have to face the music.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 18, 2015 14:52:01 GMT -5
Eight pages of Laughs talk on our board?!? Strange. Anyway, I can't see so clearly the intention. Nevertheless if you hurt someone you should always have to face the music. I think 8 pages are representative of the level to which Leafs' Nation is shoved down our throats by our national broadcasters.  In terms of the hit….if you're trying to miss a vulnerable player and squeeze past, you pull your arm in and make yourself narrower. Fraser's head was in sight the whole time. It's not as if he leaned at the last split-second. The blame lies with the hitter in this case. There are opportunities for many such hits in a game. Most players decide to avoid making them...some don't. |
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Post by PTH on Mar 18, 2015 19:16:17 GMT -5
He knew exactly what he was doing. An intentional blindside headshot. I don't know to what extent it was deliberate, I think he just didn't care. Doesn't really matter to me though: he could have avoided doing this, so he should be punished for it. |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 18, 2015 19:47:43 GMT -5
Yeah, could be. I can't ascertain his intent.
I'm just going by his history. He's done several dirty things that didn't get suspensions.
He's got some "Marchand punk" in him, from what I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 2:02:02 GMT -5
How convenient that now that the Laffs have no shot at playoffs and if anything want to increase their draft odds they now have a player suspended. Baloney.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 19, 2015 5:57:49 GMT -5
How convenient that now that the Laffs have no shot at playoffs and if anything want to increase their draft odds they now have a player suspended. Baloney. Welcome to the board, Anonymous ... please take a moment to review our Code of Conduct when you have the chance ... look forward to reading your opinions ... Cheers. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 7:06:23 GMT -5
How convenient that now that the Laffs have no shot at playoffs and if anything want to increase their draft odds they now have a player suspended. Baloney. Welcome to the board, Anonymous ... please take a moment to review our Code of Conduct when you have the chance ... look forward to reading your opinions ... Cheers. Done and doner. |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 27, 2015 10:59:06 GMT -5
A tweet from James Mirtle after the Leafs' 4-1 loss to the Panthers.
Leafs have eight wins in their last 44 games. That's 8-33-3 or 19 of a possible 88 points.
Buffalo has 20 in that span. Edmonton has 35.
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Post by 24in93 on Mar 27, 2015 16:01:40 GMT -5
I actually doubt they'll win another game this year. They've collectively mailed it in.
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Post by franko on Mar 28, 2015 10:54:56 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Mar 28, 2015 10:56:36 GMT -5
When there was no clear victor in the fight, someone quipped that the Leafs can't even beat themselves.
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2015 8:12:59 GMT -5
they come from 2 down in the 3rd to win in OT. Bozak with 3 goals & almost had a 4th in OT( off the post but led to the goal). The 1st line looked like a 1st line with 10 points last night.
Sens blow this one big time & lose a point to Boston.
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