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Post by CentreHice on Dec 8, 2014 16:18:40 GMT -5
Late on getting this thread started…
Evander Kane seeks and destroys Stoner. Suspension upcoming, no doubt.
The more I see of this side of Kane's game, the more I'm glad he's not a Bruin. He fits that BS to a tee…and he'd likely get away with it to a large degree..a la Lucic.
What the heck, might as well put the Bartkowski hit on Gionta here, too….as an example of the Bruins' influence with Campbell ruling the roost.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 8, 2014 18:48:03 GMT -5
Kane gets 2 games
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Post by jkr on Dec 10, 2014 12:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2014 8:16:22 GMT -5
Two slew-foot moves in the same game.
Yet, Garbutt gets neither a penalty nor a review after concussing Weaver with a dirty forearm to the head...from behind, no less.
Bias against the Habs? Nah! We're all divers, you know….Weaver smashed his own head into the glass.
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Post by jkr on Dec 12, 2014 9:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 12, 2014 9:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Dec 24, 2014 11:42:11 GMT -5
twitterverse is going absolutely wild re: John Scott's phone hearing / Willie Mitchell's helmet swinging / the non-call re: Gio.
common theme: NHLPlayerSafety is a joke.
(duh)
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 24, 2014 12:59:26 GMT -5
John Scott on Tim Jackman. One-handed, glove with butt end of stick, smack to the side of the jaw. Must've hit Jackman in the sweet spot. Seeing as Scott has been suspended before (once for 7 games), a phone hearing is a bit ludicrous. What's next? A text? A tweet?
Mitchell helmet-swing on Letang. Yes, Letang could've injured Luongo with that stick jam in the crease….but the intent of Mitchell was to bounce the helmet off Letang's head.
What the heck…might as put the Bartkowski-Gionta incident here as well….as an example of the Bruins' influence with Campbell STILL at the helm after the travesty of 2011.
Someone's gonna die right in front of 17,000 plus….okay 3.000 in Florida….but you get the picture.
And Bettman will be saying how "unfortunate" the play was…and that nobody could've predicted it, etc.
I understand it's a fast game and there are cheap shot artists who deserve frontier justice if the officials won't do anything about it. ….but the suspensions not only MUST be dealt out in these situations, but increased in duration.
1 game, 2 games, fines…..slaps on the wrist. Hardly a deterrent to millionaires.
Let's face it, some of this garbage is outright assault.
If I'm being provoked on the street and I smack somebody in self-defense….if he gets the right lawyer, I could be screwed. If only our justice system was based on that of the hockey culture, I'd be ordered simply to open my wallet and give him $20.
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Post by franko on Dec 24, 2014 14:00:30 GMT -5
the ridiculous thing is that the PA stands up for the perpetrator so that suspensions and fines stay low, rather than protecting the non-(aggressor?).
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 24, 2014 14:56:21 GMT -5
Didn't a family or two bring a lawsuit against the NHL for its complicity in allowing/not severely punishing acts which lead directly to CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy)? I wonder how that's going/turned out. Ha! The NHL has lawyers who will beat the figurative heads of the accusers as hard as it has allowed its culture to beat the inflicted loved ones. In that light…how's Steve Moore doing? So far off to the sidelines….I didn't even know they'd reached a settlement back in September. Took only 10 years….and no fanfare/spotlight in the interim. No doubt Bettman's lawyers were hard at work to keep it that way. Not sure what the settlement was in monetary terms. The settlement marks the end of a 10-year saga through the Canadian justice system and pre-empts what could have been an invasive foray into the courts for the NHL.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman faced the prospect of testifying and being cross-examined under oath.
Danson may have grilled Bettman about what some see as an unspoken revenge culture in the NHL that may have led to the end of Moore's hockey career and changed his life beyond the game.
Moore, now 35, said in a March interview just a day before the 10th anniversary of the incident that the lawsuit was not so much about the money as being compensated for the loss of his dreams.
"I lost my entire career in my rookie year," Moore said. "I think any player put in that situation would do the same thing.
"I can't recover anything else. I can't recover my career, the experience of living out my dream from the time I was 2½ years old, of playing in the NHL."
His $68-million suit included a demand for $38 million in lost hockey wages and punitive and compensatory damages, plus $30 million for lost wages from a post-hockey career. Moore has a Harvard University degree, but claimed his post-concussion syndrome prevented him from getting work commensurate with an Ivy League education.Statement from Steve Moore
The legal case for the loss of my NHL career is over. I have accepted a settlement agreement which has now been finalized and signed by all the parties. This day comes with mixed emotions. I am extremely thankful for the compassion and encouragement of so many people over the past decade. These years have been very difficult for me and my family. The injuries I sustained in my rookie year, the years I spent trying to return to my NHL career, and dealing with the loss of my career and the ensuing legal case, have been long and trying experiences. While nothing replaces the loss of one's dream, I am happy my family will no longer be burdened by an unresolved legal case, and I am grateful to be able to move forward. I thank the fans and the public who have supported me so passionately and tirelessly, not just across Canada, and the U.S., but around the world – your support has meant more than you can imagine. I thank the people who supported me in this legal case; your courage, and integrity are an inspiration. I thank former Chief Justice of Ontario Warren Winkler for helping with this settlement. Finally, I thank my friends, and especially my family, for your unwavering love and devotion which kept me going over these last ten years. I look forward to continuing to bring more attention and resources to the prevention and treatment of concussions and other head and neck injuries in sport, through The Steve Moore Foundation. While my own hockey career was cut short, my love for the game has never diminished. Thank you. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 30, 2014 13:10:00 GMT -5
I have no clip, but last week Jack Edwards had a conniption when a Bruins shot was deflected into the mesh, and fell back into play .. The opposition (Columbus I think) didn't hear a whistle, skated up ice and scored. Jack Edwards said something to the tune of "it is despicable that the NHL can allow this to happen" ... The Bruins lost by 4, and Edwards acts like thus cost them the game.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 30, 2014 13:19:10 GMT -5
I've always had mixed emotions about the Steve Moore legal proceedings. While I disagree with the initial hit on Naslund, and the hunting down of Moore, ... For Moore to value his NHL career and his post NHL career at $68 million, is just crazy.
The average NHL career is about 5 yrs. Moore was not that great a player that he was looking at $4-5 million a year. He was making under $1 million at the time of the incident and was a rookie at 25 yrs old. He was looking at, based on averages (which is all the court could look at, just like they do in civil death litigations) about 8-10million NHL career if he stuck for 5 yrs. (his brother Mark didn't). And then to suggest his environmental science degree from Harvard, at age 30, was worth 30 million... That's laughable, He is saying it's worth one million a year. Yeah, right.
I think Steve Moore has an awful inflated ego of his abilities ...
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Post by franko on Dec 30, 2014 13:22:33 GMT -5
I've always had mixed emotions about the Steve Moore legal proceedings. While I disagree with the initial hit on Naslund, and the hunting down of Moore, ... For Moore to value his NHL career and his post NHL career at $68 million, is just crazy. The average NHL career is about 5 yrs. Moore was not that great a player that he was looking at $4-5 million a year. He was making under $1 million at the time of the incident and was a rookie at 25 yrs old. He was looking at, based on averages (which is all the court could look at, just like they do in civil death litigations) about 8-10million NHL career if he stuck for 5 yrs. (his brother Mark didn't). And then to suggest his environmental science degree from Harvard, at age 30, was was 30 million... That's laughable, He is saying it's worth one million a year. Yeah, right. I think Steve Moore has an awful inflated ego of his abilities ... or his lawyer is looking at the payoff. he'll get what, 50-60%? |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 2, 2015 13:23:17 GMT -5
I have no clip, but last week Jack Edwards had a conniption when a Bruins shot was deflected into the mesh, and fell back into play .. The opposition (Columbus I think) didn't hear a whistle, skated up ice and scored. Jack Edwards said something to the tune of "it is despicable that the NHL can allow this to happen" ... The Bruins lost by 4, and Edwards acts like thus cost them the game. RE: Edwards. The topic (with clip) is discussed in the Out of Town thread. RE: Moore. I don't know what he settled for....but wouldn't anyone ask for the moon in a case like that? Here's his hit on Naslund....and Crawford's reaction. (I don't recall Martin or Gauthier being anywhere near that outspoken about the Chara-Pacioretty incident.) Naslund missed only 3 games. Moore eventually paid for it by losing his hockey career and suffering chronic cognitive problems. I'd have asked for a lot, too. It could be argued that the NHL's behind-the-times rules/officiating were to blame for the whole thing. Headshots like that weren't front and centre in 2004....not only was Moore's hit not called on the ice, but the league reviewed it and said it was okay. Had Moore received a major and a 3-game suspension (what he likely would've gotten now, considering who he hit)...perhaps the frontier-justice froth wouldn't have spewed from Brian Burke, Marc Crawford, Brad May (who publicly put a bounty on Moore's head) and Todd Bertuzzi, to name just 4. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 2, 2015 18:04:12 GMT -5
Moore was seeking $68 million in damages from Bertuzzi ... the article says that the actual settlement was protected by a nondisclosure agreement ... 10 years in the courts, can you imagine ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 3, 2015 16:38:41 GMT -5
I have no clip, but last week Jack Edwards had a conniption when a Bruins shot was deflected into the mesh, and fell back into play .. The opposition (Columbus I think) didn't hear a whistle, skated up ice and scored. Jack Edwards said something to the tune of "it is despicable that the NHL can allow this to happen" ... The Bruins lost by 4, and Edwards acts like thus cost them the game. RE: Edwards. The topic (with clip) is discussed in the Out of Town thread. RE: Moore. I don't know what he settled for....but wouldn't anyone ask for the moon in a case like that? Here's his hit on Naslund....and Crawford's reaction. (I don't recall Martin or Gauthier being anywhere near that outspoken about the Chara-Pacioretty incident.) Naslund missed only 3 games. Moore eventually paid for it by losing his hockey career and suffering chronic cognitive problems. I'd have asked for a lot, too. It could be argued that the NHL's behind-the-times rules/officiating were to blame for the whole thing. Headshots like that weren't front and centre in 2004....not only was Moore's hit not called on the ice, but the league reviewed it and said it was okay. Had Moore received a major and a 3-game suspension (what he likely would've gotten now, considering who he hit)...perhaps the frontier-justice froth wouldn't have spewed from Brian Burke, Marc Crawford, Brad May (who publicly put a bounty on Moore's head) and Todd Bertuzzi, to name just 4. My only point on Moore was the amount he was seeking was incredulous .... The math doesn't work out. He likely got in the 10 million area, is my guess. I'm not going to rehash the arguments from 10 years ago On Edwards, I was filing the play under "Questionable Officiating" in the Questionable Officiating thread. Obviously there is lots of cross thread analysis on here |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 17, 2015 21:01:59 GMT -5
I know it takes a different headspace than mine to play pro hockey....but this crosscheck by Carcillo on Perreault is flat-out assault. Elbow ligament damage is reported.
In-person hearing for Carcillo. With his history, I'd give him 20 games for something like that. It has NO place. He's like a Matt Cooke.
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Post by jkr on Jan 19, 2015 9:59:30 GMT -5
I know it takes a different headspace than mine to play pro hockey....but this crosscheck by Carcillo on Perreault is flat-out assault. Elbow ligament damage is reported. In-person hearing for Carcillo. With his history, I'd give him 20 games for something like that. It has NO place. He's like a Matt Cooke. Why does Chicago even need a douchebag like this in their lineup. He adds nothing to nay team he's on. |
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Post by franko on Jan 19, 2015 10:02:01 GMT -5
I know it takes a different headspace than mine to play pro hockey....but this crosscheck by Carcillo on Perreault is flat-out assault. Elbow ligament damage is reported. In-person hearing for Carcillo. With his history, I'd give him 20 games for something like that. It has NO place. He's like a Matt Cooke. what's his Boston connection? |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 19, 2015 15:29:36 GMT -5
I mentioned Matt Cooke because, like him, Carcillo can claim to be a different/changed player....but they're both like pit bulls...you just never know when they're going to turn.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 19, 2015 16:32:09 GMT -5
Carcillo gets 6 games .... This is his 9th suspension
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 19, 2015 17:36:05 GMT -5
Carcillo gets 6 games .... This is his 9th suspension One more and he'll get a freebie. What a joke. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 19, 2015 19:09:14 GMT -5
Carcillo gets 6 games .... This is his 9th suspension It reminds me of the sentences handed out to drunk drivers. The crime is not taken seriously by the judicial system. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 22, 2015 18:58:04 GMT -5
Rinaldo's brutal hit on Letang.
5:00 and a game for boarding.
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Post by blny on Jan 26, 2015 20:49:54 GMT -5
He got 8 games for that ridiculous hit on Letang.
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Post by Gogie on Jan 27, 2015 9:14:24 GMT -5
He got 8 games for that ridiculous hit on Letang. They could have given him more and I wouldn't argue. Here's what he had to say about the hit: "I changed the whole game, man," he said. "Who knows what the game would have been like if I didn't do what I did?" (For those who don't remember, the Flyers beat the Pens 3-2. They were up 1-0 when Rinaldo hit Letang late in the 1st period.) Sounds like someone who was truly remorseful, don't you think?  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 27, 2015 9:55:47 GMT -5
He got 8 games for that ridiculous hit on Letang. They could have given him more and I wouldn't argue. Here's what he had to say about the hit: "I changed the whole game, man," he said. "Who knows what the game would have been like if I didn't do what I did?" (For those who don't remember, the Flyers beat the Pens 3-2. They were up 1-0 when Rinaldo hit Letang late in the 1st period.) Sounds like someone who was truly remorseful, don't you think? Sounds like he was doing his team a favour and they owe him a debt of gratitude ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 27, 2015 10:08:39 GMT -5
Rinaldo's salary is 750K so an 8 gamer will cost him about $75,000.00 I saw that clip & it doesn't look like it has sunk in yet - or if it ever will.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 11, 2015 12:02:00 GMT -5
LINK TO STORYSTARS SEGUIN, BENN DISRESPECT SEDINS ON RADIO SHOWThere was a time when one could argue that Daniel and Henrik Sedin were the most dynamic and dominant duo in the Western Conference. That time is probably over, mind you, what with the Sedins aging, and their speed of attack and point totals dropping in what one suspects is a correlative relationship.
Meanwhile, as they get older, the young stars of the game stay the same age. These days, one could probably point to, say, Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn of the Dallas Stars as the most dangerous one-two punch in the West. They’re faster, more dynamic, and younger.
Of course, with age comes maturity, so while you might take Benn and Seguin on the ice right now, in a broadcast studio, I’ll take the veteran, intelligent Sedins and their ability to know when a conversation is veering into dumb and offensive territory and either steer it back towards reason or shut it down. This is a skill that Benn and Seguin have yet to master, as evidenced by a recent appearance on The Bob and Dan Show (which is also aptly called BaD Radio).
During a conversation about the ignominy of road roommates, the Sedins come up, with one of the hosts suggesting, “I bet you the Sedins room together.” And that’s when it gets dumb and offensive, with Benn quipping, “Who knows what else they do together?” More stupidity follows. Here’s the full clip.
“And in no way am I implying that you have a Sedin-type vibe going about you.”
*churlish giggling*
“Don’t they shave the exact same…”
“Dude, it’s creepy. In fact, it’s a good example to future brothers in the NHL on how not to do things. In my opinion.”
“Are they weird?”
“They look weird.”
The clip cuts off before Seguin gets in the last word, according to Jason Botchford: “They’re odd as [doodoo].”
In defence of Seguin, the Sedins are pretty odd, in the sense that identical twins who play on the same line together and occasionally drink from their water bottles in perfect sync are odd. That’s fine. That’s a truism. But as for the stuff that precedes it, which is full of offensive implications about the Sedins’ masculinity and sexuality, that can go.
I don’t think this needs to become a thinkpiece. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows this is over the line. One doesn’t even need to defend the Sedins’ hockey abilities here, or their character, as you’ll see many do online. Yes, they’ve made all sorts of charitable contributions and whatnot, but let’s be clear: even if the twins were bad hockey players and worse people, selfish jerks who kicked puppies and smoked cigars on the SkyTrain, it doesn’t justify this schoolyard-level “lol they’re gay together” disrespectful nonsense.
And two fellow NHLPA members should know better than to play along with it.
One suspects an apology is forthcoming. It’s deserved.
What's missing in the above, is that after Benn says "I wonder what else they do together?" Seguin is heard saying "Seriously" ... as in the hipster version of confirming what someone has said, not questioningly. So, will the NHL now put it's money where its mouth is and suspend the two of them. If not, then their "If You Can Play" marketing ploy was just wind ... The NHL must also remember anti-gay comments were posted on Seguin's Twitter account and then he claimed his account was hacked ... To Henrik Sedin's credit, when he was asked to comment on the above comments, Henrik said "Those comments say more about them, than they do about us"
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2015 12:22:04 GMT -5
Benn & Seguin should just shut up until Dallas is in a playoff spot. Van is in a playoff spot while Dallas is languishing in 11th place. I think we just got a taste of why the Bruins dumped Seguin. |
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