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Post by blny on Mar 2, 2015 16:35:17 GMT -5
There's no doubt that Mitchell and Flynn add offense to the bottom 3. Enough so, I think, that they can be interchanged around that bottom 6 easily. Malhotra should continue to take a lot of key draws, and we can mix in a number of pieces around him and Prust.
If we look back to the 93 team, Demers played with the bottom half of the forward roster a lot that year. Ronan played some. Leeman played some. etc. By limiting the affect of the grind, and working certain types in against certain opponents, Demers did a really good job maximizing what he got out of them. I'm not saying this is entirely the same, as we didn't acquire a guy who'd once scored 50 goals. But, we've brought in parts that can be moved around, play different spots, and fill in where needed. It's a good flexibility to have.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 2, 2015 16:36:15 GMT -5
Yeah. Well, we're certainly protected if any of our bottom 6 get hurt. We have them coming out of our ying yang. Are they really going to make that much of a difference? Yes, you need depth in your bottom 6 for the playoffs, but that's assuming you have a good enough top 6, and I think there's real question marks there.
I didn't expect to resolve our centre issues, but Desharnais is simply not a satisfactory solution at the #1 centre spot, which is where he is right now. In the playoffs, he'll be picking himself off the ice even more than he is now. Pleks is a perfectly find #2 and if DLR finds some offense, he'd be a good #3. Flynn sounds like he'd make a fine #4, except that he's only so-so on face-offs.
That leaves me wondering why the heck did we deal for Mitchell? We have a whole whack of people back there. Are we looking at a Flynn, Mitchell and Weise 4th line? Lots of speed, for sure. That's the one area I think we did get better. Petry's a good skater adn puck mover. Mitchell is supposed to be very fast. I don't know about Flynn. Speed?
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Post by HFTO on Mar 2, 2015 16:38:06 GMT -5
Habs are better on the bottom 6 and on D so today was a good day....for it to be great they needed that scorer did they do enough to get over the hump?  .... That's in the hands of the Gally's and Co. ...the D although not physical can move that puck even better today.We have the best goalie so can this team get him the support to win the Cup? The Habs window is open for the next several years so without that hockey deal at least they kept enough picks to keep feeding the machine,with at least 10 plus worthyNHL D - men and the added depth Cup or no Cup the Habs are on the yellow brick road and that's exciting. |
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Post by blny on Mar 2, 2015 16:39:26 GMT -5
Flynn's a good skater. I don't think we necessarily see both Sabres' acquisitions play everyday. Could be a rotation.
Here's Apron Basu's take on the day:
So, Bergevin trades a 2nd rd pick, a pick that can be a 3rd to 5th, another 5th, a 7th and Nevins for Petry, Mitchell and Flynn. Not bad.
Grand scheme, it's a productive if not spectacular day. Addressing any needs at center, and another scoring winger proved too costly for now.
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Post by Disp on Mar 2, 2015 16:40:34 GMT -5
Our bottom 6 just doesn't score very much. It would help if they could chip in a bit. I think MB is just hoping something will click with the new guys.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 2, 2015 16:47:55 GMT -5
Maybe Flynn and Mitchell can also tell MT how Buffalo was able to beat us this year.  Reinforce the wall. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2015 16:52:17 GMT -5
I guess there just wasn't a scorer to be found. A couple of *maybes* in Cole and Jagr, but other than that not much high quality talent moved. So Bergevin did the next best thing, which was to add depth throughout the lineup.
I don't think you can say that we "just" added depth in case of injuries to the 4th line though. If we have injuries to the top two we can move some of those bottom guys up *cough Weise cough* and not be forced to go with guys like Thomas or even Bournival in the bottom six.
As for giving up picks, better that then roster players or top prospects I suppose. And besides, Bergevin has a habit of getting other teams to throw those in anyways. Cole, Briere, Gorges, even Vanek - always a pick coming back. I'm sure that if he is so inclined this summer he'll be able to deal guys like Parenteau, Gilbert, or heck even the rights to Petry for mid-to-late picks. Not too worried about that.
Obviously the prize is Petry. He was much sought after, and while he's obviously not a put-you-over-the-top kind of guy none of those were dealt today. So good on Bergevin for getting one of the top "next guys".
Depth is always a good thing. To win the Cup we're going to have to play a minimum of 16 bone-crushing, intense, physical games. And probably something closer to 24-25. That's like a quarter of a season. You can never have too many bodies for that kind of grind.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 16:52:56 GMT -5
Hearing that the prices for a top forward were way too high for teams, nobody wanted to bite. Hab fans can't complain we picked up 3 bodies that cost us nothing really. Chris Stewart went for a second rounder ... Eller or Stewart on the second line? |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 2, 2015 16:56:34 GMT -5
Chris Stewart is a 3rd line guy and is injury prone big pass on him.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2015 16:58:05 GMT -5
Hearing that the prices for a top forward were way too high for teams, nobody wanted to bite. Hab fans can't complain we picked up 3 bodies that cost us nothing really. Chris Stewart went for a second rounder ... Eller or Stewart on the second line? Eller 9 goals this year, 12 last year, and another 5 in the playoffs. Stewart 11 goals this year, 15 last year, has a CAREER total of 5 playoff goals. I think the idea of a Stewart is worth a lot more than Stewart himself. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 17:04:38 GMT -5
Stewart has 126 career goals .... More than DSP, Mitchell, Flynn, Weise and Prust combined
If the thought is they can move up, ..., well Stewart is a second liner (4th in scoring on a very bad Buffalo team)
The arguement was the price was too high for top 6 guys ... I'm not saying I would like Stewart, but the price wasn't too high for all top six forwards
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Post by HFTO on Mar 2, 2015 17:04:48 GMT -5
Without a home run on a hockey deal and not giving up valuable picks today was a decent day you need depth as much as you can get....it's up to what we have to step up!
We trust they will eventually this year or within the next 2 so to add bodies and not give away players or 1st round picks the Habs stay on the steady path.
In the short term it's "In Price we Trust" and that's a damn good place to start.
you never know boys ....not convinced we are there yet but with the goaler you have a fighters chance.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 17:09:46 GMT -5
We have a good chance with what we have .... But one injury to the top six (unless it's Eller) and we are done like dinner.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2015 17:11:26 GMT -5
Stewart has 126 career goals .... More than DSP, Mitchell, Flynn, Weise and Prust combined If the thought is they can move up, ..., well Stewart is a second liner (4th in scoring on a very bad Buffalo team) The arguement was the price was too high for top 6 guys ... I'm not saying I would like Stewart, but the price wasn't too high for all top six forwards That's the thing though, Stewart ISN'T a second liner. Not on a good team anyways. 11 goals. Is that worth De La Rose or Fucale? Because those are second round picks. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 17:20:17 GMT -5
Stewart has 126 career goals .... More than DSP, Mitchell, Flynn, Weise and Prust combined If the thought is they can move up, ..., well Stewart is a second liner (4th in scoring on a very bad Buffalo team) The arguement was the price was too high for top 6 guys ... I'm not saying I would like Stewart, but the price wasn't too high for all top six forwards That's the thing though, Stewart ISN'T a second liner. Not on a good team anyways. 11 goals. Is that worth De La Rose or Fucale? Because those are second round picks. So were Dalton Thrower, Sebastian Collberg and Danny Kristo .... Not sure what that proves. There are more second round misses than hits statistically. A second round pick is worth it IMO. Was Stewart a good fit in Montreal? That's another question, and Id say probably not. But the question I was answering was that the price, IMO, was not too high for a top six forward. You may feel he isn't a second liner, but right now we have Eller, Weise, Prust, et al on that second line and they are most assuredly not second liners. Eller could be, but will he adapt to the wing? And is the playoffs the right time to learn? |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 2, 2015 17:21:50 GMT -5
Stewart has 126 career goals .... More than DSP, Mitchell, Flynn, Weise and Prust combined If the thought is they can move up, ..., well Stewart is a second liner (4th in scoring on a very bad Buffalo team) The arguement was the price was too high for top 6 guys ... I'm not saying I would like Stewart, but the price wasn't too high for all top six forwards They showed an interesting set of stats about Stewart today. He tends to have good years when his team has good years and he tends to not have good years when his team is suffering. I guess you could read that two ways, but my take is that his play is a symptom rather than a cause. He might be living off the efforts of others. I've watched him play (in past years, not recently) and I liked a lot about his game, but I'm not sure he's the same Chris Stewart. The drive seems to be gone and I've had enough of that experience with Rene Bourque, thank you. Competitiveness is really big in Berg's world and I don't think Stewart fits that model. Anyway, I wouldn't have jumped off a bridge if we had gotten Stewart, but I'm not disappointed at all that we passed on him. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 2, 2015 17:24:07 GMT -5
So were Dalton Thrower, Sebastian Collberg and Danny Kristo .... Not sure what that proves. There are more second round misses than hits statistically. Of course, but occasionally one of those second rounders turns into a PK Subban. That would hurt, especially for a Chris Stewart. Also, its a bit early to be judging either Collberg or Thrower, especially Thrower as a defenceman who has been injured in recent years. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 17:25:29 GMT -5
I'm not upset either way either seventeen ....
... For the record though, the odds of a second rounder making it to the NHL and playing 100 games is around 30%
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Post by seventeen on Mar 2, 2015 17:28:26 GMT -5
I'm not upset either way either seventeen .... ... For the record though, the odds of a second rounder making it to the NHL and playing 100 games is around 30% It gets even worse if you're looking at players you'd class as average at least. One hundred games covers a lot of mediocre players. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2015 17:47:13 GMT -5
That's the thing though, Stewart ISN'T a second liner. Not on a good team anyways. 11 goals. Is that worth De La Rose or Fucale? Because those are second round picks. A second round pick is worth it IMO. Was Stewart a good fit in Montreal? That's another question, and Id say probably not. But the question I was answering was that the price, IMO, was not too high for a top six forward. You may feel he isn't a second liner, but right now we have Eller, Weise, Prust, et al on that second line and they are most assuredly not second liners. Eller could be, but will he adapt to the wing? And is the playoffs the right time to learn? I don't understand your argument here. The original assertion was that there was little to no high quality offensive talent available. You replied with Stewart for a 2nd, but are now saying Stewart isn't worth it. For sure a 2nd rounder is a fair price to pay for a top six forward, but the question still remains; which of those was available today for a second, especially if you remove Stewart as not a good fit? |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 18:05:53 GMT -5
A second round pick is worth it IMO. Was Stewart a good fit in Montreal? That's another question, and Id say probably not. But the question I was answering was that the price, IMO, was not too high for a top six forward. You may feel he isn't a second liner, but right now we have Eller, Weise, Prust, et al on that second line and they are most assuredly not second liners. Eller could be, but will he adapt to the wing? And is the playoffs the right time to learn? I don't understand your argument here. The original assertion was that there was little to no high quality offensive talent available. You replied with Stewart for a 2nd, but are now saying Stewart isn't worth it. For sure a 2nd rounder is a fair price to pay for a top six forward, but the question still remains; which of those was available today for a second, especially if you remove Stewart as not a good fit? The original assertion was that the prices for a top 6 were too high ... Or that's the part I was referring to. (Sorry for the confusion) Would I take Stewart for a second rounder? Yep. Especially seeing how he is UFA. If he wasn't a good fit, no big loss. You sit him, you go with what we have. I believe it was a 2017 second rounder too I can see an arguement either way, and like seventeen said, I'm not upset either way ... But IMO, getting him for a seconded rounder was worth the risk |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 2, 2015 18:14:21 GMT -5
We got Vanek for a 2nd and Collburg....so basically a 2nd and you think Stewart is worth a 2nd?
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Post by Douper on Mar 2, 2015 18:18:31 GMT -5
We have a good chance with what we have .... But one injury to the top six (unless it's Eller) and we are done like dinner. If NYR lose Nash or McDonaugh If TB loses Stamkos or Hedman If Det loses Datsyuk or Zetterberg If Pitt loses Malkin or Crosby If Was loses Ovy or Backstrom If NYI loses Tavares or Leddy If Bos loses....right they already did All teams would be hurting if injuries arrise. BUT I think we have more depth than any of those teams. If you noticed, I did not mention any of their Goalies because all of these teams are screwed if their #1 goes down. |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 2, 2015 18:46:50 GMT -5
You can prepare only so much for injuries. #31 is our main concern. As is the #1 goalie for every team, as Douper mentions.
I think Bergevin is expecting to get some support scoring from the bottom 6 now. More grit, speed....catch a few teams off guard.
A whole lotta Weise goin' on now.
The bottom 6 is not to be sneezed at when it comes to playoff runs.
I think MB did a fine job today, considering who was available.
Sure, Eberle or Kessel would've been nice....but the asking price was apparently a 4-pack going the other way.
It appears no one was ready to help the Leafs to that extent. And I'm 100% fine with that. Still wish Columbus didn't give Nonis the out on the albatross Clarkson.
Anyone know if any offers were tabled for Iginla?
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Post by seventeen on Mar 2, 2015 19:01:11 GMT -5
We will need to put up a Kreider Proof fence around Carey.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2015 19:01:57 GMT -5
We got Vanek for a 2nd and Collburg....so basically a 2nd and you think Stewart is worth a 2nd? Yep. We are prepared to give a second and a third for a defenseman who is going yo be UFA, and we really didn't need a defenseman. Sure depth is good, but our problem is scoring, and not relying on Price in 2-1 games. So yeah, I'd be willing to part with a second for Stewart. I think it was worth the gamble. Our top six Is thin. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 2, 2015 19:03:06 GMT -5
Anyone know if any offers were tabled for Iginla? Funny you should mention this on tsn690 around 3pm they said that there was an iginla page on Canadiens website but i never heard anything after that. |
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Post by Disp on Mar 2, 2015 19:26:56 GMT -5
We got Vanek for a 2nd and Collburg....so basically a 2nd and you think Stewart is worth a 2nd? Yep. We are prepared to give a second and a third for a defenseman who is going yo be UFA, and we really didn't need a defenseman. Sure depth is good, but our problem is scoring, and not relying on Price in 2-1 games. So yeah, I'd be willing to part with a second for Stewart. I think it was worth the gamble. Our top six Is thin. Having better dmen can help our scoring. So can adding grittier forwards like DSP. Doesn't have to be them scoring or putting up the points either. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 2, 2015 21:05:27 GMT -5
Am intersting article on MB and how he did at the trade deadline. It shows that whoever Petry's D partner was did worse after not being paired with him. How MB did. |
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Post by habsask on Mar 2, 2015 22:27:03 GMT -5
We have a good chance with what we have .... But one injury to the top six (unless it's Eller) and we are done like dinner. If NYR lose Nash or McDonaugh If TB loses Stamkos or Hedman If Det loses Datsyuk or Zetterberg If Pitt loses Malkin or Crosby If Was loses Ovy or Backstrom If NYI loses Tavares or Leddy If Bos loses....right they already did All teams would be hurting if injuries arrise. BUT I think we have more depth than any of those teams. If you noticed, I did not mention any of their Goalies because all of these teams are screwed if their #1 goes down. Good post douper- it would be a real luxury to have a bona fide top 6 "Hot Spare" on a team in today's NHL. Same with the goalies. And as Bad Co. pointed out we do have * cough * Weise (a hot...err...'substitute'?) and maybe even....looks at ceiling & rolls his eyes....Smith-Pelly... I mean S-P was thought to be a legit power forward prospect on his draft day. Just saying... |
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.... That's in the hands of the Gally's and Co. ...the D although not physical can move that puck even better today.We have the best goalie so can this team get him the support to win the Cup?
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