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Post by CentreHice on Mar 12, 2015 21:04:04 GMT -5
What was THAT?
And now Max might be injured, I heard.
It's Bergevin's fault, when it comes right down to it.
I'm not talking about the deadline. He's had three full summers and seasons to secure some strength down the middle. It's only been a glaring hole since the days of Damphousse.
I'm saying this now because BC unearthed evidence that Galchenyuk is not a natural centre...otherwise I would've been on his case the past two seasons.
MB knew about Galchy being a winger, too.
But they may have no choice but to put him at centre, because there's nobody else in the system.
As far as BIG PICTURE goes....speechless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 21:05:42 GMT -5
We are sliding hard, and without some sort of intervention could be in free fall mode.
Two seasons ago, we stumbled going into the playoffs and bowed out in five games. If the same thing happens this season, the result will be no different.
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Post by jkr on Mar 12, 2015 21:07:32 GMT -5
An episode of The Skating Dead?
As Skilly pointed out, how many times have they taken a lead against a non-playoff team using an AHL goalie & just quit? They have nothing, no response. The same sh!tty PP all year never fixed, the goal scoring not addressed. I'm sick & tired of watching them lose to teams so far below them in the standings.
And do they really think Parenteau is the answer. The guy's a disaster. One goal in his last 25 games & they are stuck with one more year of this guy.
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Post by Disp on Mar 12, 2015 21:09:11 GMT -5
Brutal, after the first, they turned their brains off.
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Post by Douper on Mar 12, 2015 21:09:20 GMT -5
The season hangs in the balance in the next 2 weeks. Islanders - Bolts - Panthers - Canes- San Jose - Nashville. We play like the last 2 weeks, I can see 0-6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 21:09:17 GMT -5
Who are the true leaders on this team? I know this is purely hypothetical, but do these lousy games have to do with the fact that there is no named captain?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 21:10:04 GMT -5
The season hangs in the balance in the next 2 weeks. Islanders - Bolts - Panthers - Canes- San Jose - Nashville. We play like the last 2 weeks, I can see 0-6 We're already 1-5 in our last six (including the SO and OT losses here).
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 12, 2015 21:12:48 GMT -5
The only 1 i feel sorry for is Carey. A record breaking season getting pissed down the toilet
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Post by Douper on Mar 12, 2015 21:14:51 GMT -5
Not sure if you guys noticed vs Tampa, The bolts would get the puck, 4 guys would change and the guy with the puck would skate around and then go off. Our team always has someone on them and we dump the puck in the corner and do a change. We ice the puck more this year than I think we have in the last 5 or 6 years. The forwards aren't getting open for outlet passes from the d. No speed in the neutral zone and can't sustain anything in the offensive zone (when we get there). And our PP is attrocious.
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Post by franko on Mar 12, 2015 21:16:45 GMT -5
I think I figured it out: they are saving their goals for use in the playoffs.
that's the only thing I can think of.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 12, 2015 21:18:13 GMT -5
Marinaro tweeted the following
HABS played same system tonight as they have every game this season. But, Carey Price wasn't incredible, so they lost 5-2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 21:28:56 GMT -5
Our goal scoring picked up significantly at the end of last year's deadline. I wonder why that was--oh, right, Thomas Vanek...
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Post by Douper on Mar 12, 2015 21:29:45 GMT -5
The bus is here, MT throwing the group under.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 12, 2015 21:37:09 GMT -5
I wonder what our attitude (we fans') will be in 3 or 4 weeks if the statistical pendulum keeps swinging back to a neutral position?
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Post by blny on Mar 12, 2015 21:39:27 GMT -5
Anyone think Bob Hartley would pick up the phone if Molson called?
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 12, 2015 21:39:51 GMT -5
BIG PICTURE's comments: We didn't compete as a team. We have a young group...and we're facing adversity...everybody is responsible for their actions....how they compete. When asked about the offence: It's not about the offence tonight....we needed 6 goals to win..." What?? We have 7 goals in the last 6 games....and offence isn't the issue.. ? There's your system, Habs' fans. Get 2 goals...and put all the pressure on Price. What about the PP....I hear we had a 4:00 PP in the third. Ha!
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 12, 2015 21:40:45 GMT -5
The bus is here, MT throwing the group under. Our only hope is that this is a slump. But i don't like our odds of getting out. There was a consensus that we needed a top 6 offensive threat (Vanek of last year) but instead MB picks up 3rd and 4th line players from cellar dwellers. And then MT starts playing them! We not only didn't get what we needed, we got lesser players on lesser teams and thought this would improve our team. Not sure what that does for the confidence of our 3rd and 4th line players and know it's not good for team chemistry. MB failed us and now we are in the position of hoping MT can help us. Don't like our chances. It's all unto Carey. But of course, it's always been up to Carey.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 12, 2015 21:42:40 GMT -5
I wonder what our attitude (we fans') will be in 3 or 4 weeks if the statistical pendulum keeps swinging back to a neutral position? Explain.....
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Post by blny on Mar 12, 2015 21:46:09 GMT -5
MB failed us and now we are in the position of hoping MT can help us. Don't like our chances. MB not willing to overpay for the limited options that were out there isn't a fail. Simple matter of fact is there was no "Vanek" this year. I don't have a problem with the people he did acquire. Mitchell and Flynn are Dominic Moore types. Good to have around. The only way MB is going to address the lack of scoring is through a legitimate hockey trade. Those are nearly impossible at the deadline. It's made even harder by the fact that teams are leery about taking on term because of the uncertainty with next year's cap numbers. All that said, adding another 30g man is moot if Therrien tells him to be a grinder. Our square peg, round hole, coach with a goon for a powerplay coach is the biggest problem. Blame for the former certainly lays at Berg's feet. He hired him. Lacroix's inability to do anything of substance with the powerplay is at his feet and Therrien's for hiring him.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 12, 2015 21:50:02 GMT -5
The only way MB is going to address the lack of scoring is through a legitimate hockey trade. Those are nearly impossible at the deadline. It's made even harder by the fact that teams are leery about taking on term because of the uncertainty with next year's cap numbers. Yes. And he's had 3 summers and seasons to address it. Apparently, MB is happy with DD as #1 centre. That's his biggest fail. We remain a joke down the middle. Pleks is Kovalev-capricious...without the skill. Yep....and yep.
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Post by folatre on Mar 12, 2015 21:57:00 GMT -5
Perhaps time will say but for me Mitchell and Flynn look more like average fourth liners or 13th forward type guys than Dominic Moore type guy.
I agree with virtually everything else you said.
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Post by stoat on Mar 12, 2015 23:23:11 GMT -5
We are sliding hard, and without some sort of intervention could be in free fall mode. Two seasons ago, we stumbled going into the playoffs and bowed out in five games. If the same thing happens this season, the result will be no different. IMO the Habs are playing worse since the trades. I've resumed my opinion that MT is not the right coach for this team.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 13, 2015 0:21:49 GMT -5
MB not willing to overpay for the limited options that were out there isn't a fail. Simple matter of fact is there was no "Vanek" this year. I don't have a problem with the people he did acquire. Mitchell and Flynn are Dominic Moore types. Good to have around. The only way MB is going to address the lack of scoring is through a legitimate hockey trade. Those are nearly impossible at the deadline. It's made even harder by the fact that teams are leery about taking on term because of the uncertainty with next year's cap numbers. All that said, adding another 30g man is moot if Therrien tells him to be a grinder. Our square peg, round hole, coach with a goon for a powerplay coach is the biggest problem. Blame for the former certainly lays at Berg's feet. He hired him. Lacroix's inability to do anything of substance with the powerplay is at his feet and Therrien's for hiring him. Jagr was there to be had! He is exactly what we need: size, skill, scorer, winner. 2nd and 3rd round is not too high a price. Why is Lacroix our coach? What is on his resume that suggests he should be a coach for a Cup contender? (Other than meeting all language requirements)
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Post by blny on Mar 13, 2015 0:34:38 GMT -5
I wasn't convinced in the end that Jagr was a good fit 5-on-5, but he may well have helped the PP ... if we had a coach capable of working it.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 13, 2015 0:56:43 GMT -5
Lacroix was assistant coach on the Rangers last year....and they went to the Finals.
But I'd say Vigneault > MT.
Was Lacroix offered more money by the Habs...and lured away last summer? Or did the Rangers deem him expendable and didn't want him to return?
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 13, 2015 1:04:31 GMT -5
Lacroix was assistant coach on the Rangers last year....and they went to the Finals. But I'd say Vigneault > MT. Was Lacroix offered more money by the Habs...and lured away last summer? Or did the Rangers deem him expendable and didn't want him to return? Rags PP was ranked 15th out of 30 last year; marginally better than ours. Glad we went out and got the guy we needed.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 13, 2015 1:15:04 GMT -5
Do MT and Lacroix have a history?
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 13, 2015 1:29:58 GMT -5
Do MT and Lacroix have a history? Not sure, but sure wish they were history for the Habs!
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 13, 2015 1:33:51 GMT -5
Do MT and Lacroix have a history? Can't find any ties to MT or MB. Lacroix was with the Habs' organization before...but under Gauthier...in 2009/10. He was with the Bulldogs...and when Guy Boucher went to Tampa, Lacroix went with him. Then to the Rangers....then the Habs.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 13, 2015 4:25:08 GMT -5
I liked looks of team better before trade deadline. Even in our only win in Phoenix it was ugly. Beaulieu been cut way back and was really coming into his own before. Petry not going to be here long term as he will test the market. I see that trade as setback to Beaulieu and waste of 2 picks in really deep draft. Bournival was as good or better then Flynn or Mitchell. I don't know why he did those moves.
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