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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 19, 2015 11:15:51 GMT -5
Not really a trade rumor but a rumor nonetheless:
Pierre Houde said on a Montreal Radio Station (CHOM) that the league will announce in may an expansion to Vegas for next season. As well they have a plan in place to relocate an existing team to Quebec city which will be announced at the same time next year.
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Post by blny on Mar 19, 2015 11:22:35 GMT -5
Non-Habs related Hockey?
No doubt the league has been working hard, and not very quietly, to get a team in Vegas. I personally think they should be getting a relocated team.
Waiting another year for any 'announcement' about Quebec gives them a chance to continue to watch the dollar. If it dips much more, things get even harder for small markets. Selling out your building isn't enough to offset if it dips to 70 cents.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 19, 2015 11:32:30 GMT -5
Winnipeg is doing very well in a smaller arena than Quebec. It is still a highly gate revenue driven league but contrary to the days when Quebec left, there is now a cap, a big broadcasting contract and revenue sharing among teams...
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Post by franko on Mar 19, 2015 11:34:34 GMT -5
No doubt the league has been working hard, and not very quietly, to get a team in Vegas. I personally think they should be getting a relocated team. there's no money in that odd number of teams . . . just mess up the schedule even more
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Post by blny on Mar 19, 2015 11:42:57 GMT -5
Winnipeg is doing very well in a smaller arena than Quebec. It is still a highly gate revenue driven league but contrary to the days when Quebec left, there is now a cap, a big broadcasting contract and revenue sharing among teams... Both those help, but we've yet to see the cap world in a scenario with long term difference in the dollars. The Jets are planning to add seats are they not?
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Post by blny on Mar 19, 2015 11:44:02 GMT -5
No doubt the league has been working hard, and not very quietly, to get a team in Vegas. I personally think they should be getting a relocated team. there's no money in that odd number of teams . . . just mess up the schedule even more No doubt in that, just my opinion. I'm in the camp that the house should be in good working order before you add on. There's 'structure' that needs fixing. "Make it right", as the man says.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 19, 2015 11:52:32 GMT -5
For sure the long term effects remain to be seen but at least a weak Canadian dollar puts a drag on the cap as next year's cap number is rumored to remain pretty much the same because of that.
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Post by blny on Mar 19, 2015 11:55:47 GMT -5
For sure the long term effects remain to be seen but at least a weak Canadian dollar puts a drag on the cap as next year's cap number is rumored to remain pretty much the same because of that. I believe Louis Jean reported it will be $71 million next year.
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Post by jkr on Mar 19, 2015 13:07:07 GMT -5
Find this surprising as their advance ticket sale drive didn't go very well. Didn't appear to be much interest.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 19, 2015 13:17:39 GMT -5
Find this surprising as their advance ticket sale drive didn't go very well. Didn't appear to be much interest. Bettman & Co. will spin it that ticket sales are through the roof and everyone in Vegas loves hockey. I wouldn't mind doing a west coast habs trip, SJ, LA, ANA, PHX, VGS... That is a bucket list trip.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 19, 2015 17:45:11 GMT -5
It seems that where there's money there's sports ... I have a feeling Vegas will work just on the tourist dollars ... we have relations in Calgary who head to Vegas 2/3 times a year and it would be interesting to see just what kind of packages would be offered ... "Return flight, hotel with a $25 casino voucher and a ticket to the game" ... casinos may offer dinner and game packages ... wonder where Quebec and Seattle rank as far as expansion goes ...
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 19, 2015 21:13:57 GMT -5
Not really a trade rumor but a rumor nonetheless: Pierre Houde said on a Montreal Radio Station (CHOM) that the league will announce in may an expansion to Vegas for next season. As well they have a plan in place to relocate an existing team to Quebec city which will be announced at the same time next year. By next season you mean 2016-17 right.
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Post by blny on Mar 19, 2015 22:05:07 GMT -5
It seems that where there's money there's sports ... I have a feeling Vegas will work just on the tourist dollars ... we have relations in Calgary who head to Vegas 2/3 times a year and it would be interesting to see just what kind of packages would be offered ... "Return flight, hotel with a $25 casino voucher and a ticket to the game" ... casinos may offer dinner and game packages ... wonder where Quebec and Seattle rank as far as expansion goes ... Cheers. I think that will be exactly the angle for a lot the seats. Wonder how much room that leaves for a core group of real fans.
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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2015 23:36:36 GMT -5
And I think a team needs a core of local fans to make it work, tourists can give a team a boost, but I don't think they can be 60% of your revenue base.
As to Quebec City, I have to wonder who might be coming here. Florida seems like the team with the biggest gate issues. I don't see the point in waiting a year with the new arena being ready soon... (maybe not in time to start the season in 6 months though !!)
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Post by franko on Mar 20, 2015 6:01:59 GMT -5
I think that will be exactly the angle for a lot the seats. Wonder how much room that leaves for a core group of real fans. ummm . . . you do realize that you are talking about the NHL, in Las Vegas, right? lotsa comped tickets, I imagine. but there will be no, I repeat, NO, betting on the games!
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Post by blny on Mar 20, 2015 6:03:43 GMT -5
I think that will be exactly the angle for a lot the seats. Wonder how much room that leaves for a core group of real fans. ummm . . . you do realize that you are talking about the NHL, in Las Vegas, right? lotsa comped tickets, I imagine. but there will be no, I repeat, NO, betting on the games! Gotta come to Canada to do that. Do people still play Proline?
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Post by Skilly on Mar 20, 2015 9:08:10 GMT -5
This report flys in the face of what Gary Bettman told George Strombolopolous this week in Boca Raton.
In their interview, Strmbo asked if there is plans to put a team in Vegas. Bettman said that they are listening, but they have no intention of putting a team there just yet. He mentioned they'd have to weigh Vegas against other cities interested in a team ... he listed Quebec, Kansas City, and Seattle. Strombo asked about Toronto having a second team, and Gary dismissed it, and it came across to me that they have no intention of looking at Markham. Bettman also said, that having balanced conferences is not a concern.
Strombo asked him if when a team does go to Vegas will it be an expansion process or will they prefer to relocate a weaker team. Bettman's answer was that the teams in the NHL are as strong as they have ever been, and the league has absolutely no appetite to look at relocating any team in the near future.
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Post by jkr on Mar 20, 2015 9:27:01 GMT -5
Has Bettman been to a game in Florida?
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Post by duster on Mar 20, 2015 18:35:06 GMT -5
Has Bettman been to a game in Florida? Has Bettman seen a game in Toronto? They need a new team there... Seattle or Quebec would be a natural fit, imo. Then again, this is the league that put a team in Arizona.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 16:23:52 GMT -5
Vegas baby Vegas. I'd love to see the Habs play there, and I'm sure the rink would be state of the art.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 25, 2015 11:48:07 GMT -5
I don't want another team in Quebec city because of so much political upheaval. Another separatist movement lowers the dollar and cripples province economy. They not big enough to financially withstand. Heck, even Habs were in dire straits last one when George Gillete purchased team for peanuts. Expos folded, Alouettes folded twice, not good here during that time
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 27, 2015 11:43:32 GMT -5
I think it is inevitable now....Vegas is coming. Elliot Friedman is predicting the NHL Awards ceremony when it will be made official. My guess is if Seattle could ever get their arena deal sorted out, they would be next. That leaves the possibility of Florida or Phoenix moving to QC city.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 27, 2015 14:13:12 GMT -5
I think it is inevitable now....Vegas is coming. Elliot Friedman is predicting the NHL Awards ceremony when it will be made official. My guess is if Seattle could ever get their arena deal sorted out, they would be next. That leaves the possibility of Florida or Phoenix moving to QC city. I can't see the Yotes moving, they have a good team in the making. A good goalie in Smith, a potential stud Dman in Ekman-Larsson along with Domi, Duclair, Boedker, Gormley, Reider and if they get either Eichel or McDavid, they will be very good in a few years. They also have a good coach in Dave Tippet.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 28, 2015 21:36:53 GMT -5
Normally I would agree but the new owners negotiated andbout clause if the lost 50 million within 5 years. I think they are at 37 in two years now.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 30, 2015 20:19:44 GMT -5
So looks like the coyotes moving to Las Vegas is close to being done t.co/jR5H3R5795Also the unnamed source mentioned the NHL is eyeing new franchises in Seattle and Toronto area for 2017-2018
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2015 20:55:02 GMT -5
I don't see it working long term in Vegas, but at least this way the billionaire wouldn't have to fork out 500 million for an expansion team. In Vegas, I see hotels and casinos buying up a lot of seats and comping them to guests. In my view, that means while the seats are paid for actual attendance may well end up being less. Add in all the other distractions that people go to Vegas for, and I just don't see it.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2015 21:59:32 GMT -5
Everyone and their dogs are denying the story. Must be true.
Chuckle.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 20, 2015 16:51:59 GMT -5
The deadline for expansion bids past. Vegas and Quebec have been confirmed. Still no word on Seattle yet.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 21, 2015 11:57:22 GMT -5
I keep thinking any Vegas bid is Phoenix 2.0. Lots of hoopla and eventually no one goes to the games. It would only be just if the NHL had to takeover the team, and the owners lost more money in the process than they gained in expansion fees. It's a city of gamblers, not people who like to watch hockey. You don't need to go to the game to bet on it.
Such greed.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 21, 2015 14:17:16 GMT -5
I keep thinking any Vegas bid is Phoenix 2.0. Lots of hoopla and eventually no one goes to the games. It would only be just if the NHL had to takeover the team, and the owners lost more money in the process than they gained in expansion fees. It's a city of gamblers, not people who like to watch hockey. You don't need to go to the game to bet on it. Such greed. No one goes to Leaf games but technically they are sold out. As long as the seats are sold, and they will be in Vegas, no one cares how many actually show up.
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