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Post by HFTO on Apr 3, 2015 20:45:42 GMT -5
Brutal
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 3, 2015 20:46:35 GMT -5
What was Toker doing on Elias's attempt? Minor league goaltending.
DD's try was terrible.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2015 20:46:44 GMT -5
Game Over .... I think Tokarski is something like 0 for 7 in his last three shootouts when the puck is on net
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 3, 2015 20:47:02 GMT -5
Sigh....
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 20:47:14 GMT -5
brutal - he looked like a beached whale - completely clueless. Tokarski now has one win since he beat the Isles on Jan 17.
More points thrown away on a bottom feeder.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 20:48:03 GMT -5
DD with the worst move he ever made His move must be know by the entire league now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 20:48:09 GMT -5
Fix the freakin' powerplay. This game shouldn't have gone past 60 minutes.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 3, 2015 20:49:04 GMT -5
You know, I think I miss Budaj. At least the team won with him during the season and the guy was good in shoot outs.
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Post by HFTO on Apr 3, 2015 20:49:21 GMT -5
Yes I meant to say 6 W in the last 16 now 6 in the last 17 pretty sad timing
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Post by folatre on Apr 3, 2015 20:49:50 GMT -5
If this game was a bad game for good or average PP over 80 games then I would say this is hockey, time to move on. But this fiasco on the PP tonight is being authored by a bottom quarter of the league PP.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 3, 2015 20:50:26 GMT -5
Should of tried to get Muller back as assistant coach (PP) after he was let go. He was good at getting the PP going.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 20:56:08 GMT -5
Should of tried to get Muller back as assistant coach (PP) after he was let go. He was good at getting the PP going. I mentioned this before. Why don't they hire a PP coach. Someone whose primary responsibility is keeping the PP effective.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 3, 2015 21:59:29 GMT -5
I believe their current PP coach has the full confidence of management.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 3, 2015 22:46:04 GMT -5
I believe their current PP coach has the full confidence of management. And where do they get this confidence from? Can't be from this season. As best as I can tell I'm not aware of anything in this clown's background to suggest he'd have a clue how to run a power play. Although the trade deadline has passed, I believe they can still hire coaches. Most of the peewee leagues have concluded now so should be an upgrade to be found there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 1:20:19 GMT -5
I saw a stat on Devils tv that had top 5 teams in nhl with some of the worst pp's. Only one of the top 8 teams in league has a good pp.
Fact.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 4, 2015 1:40:12 GMT -5
I saw a stat on Devils tv that had top 5 teams in nhl with some of the worst pp's. Only one of the top 8 teams in league has a good pp. Fact. So what does one make of that? It wasn't too long ago that we were horrible 5 on 5 but had a great PP. Now we are pretty darn good 5 on 5 but have a terrible PP. Imagine if we could merge good 5 on 5 with good PP. I think it is easier to improve a PP than to improve a team's 5 on 5. A good PP just needs 5 players who know what their doing - maybe even less. I'm a MT Hater so i would conclude that he is not a good coach he just relies on Carey to save our bacon 5 on 5. On the PP Carey is not a factor and so when MT is left to actually coach we see the poor results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 2:05:07 GMT -5
I saw a stat on Devils tv that had top 5 teams in nhl with some of the worst pp's. Only one of the top 8 teams in league has a good pp. Fact. So what does one make of that? It wasn't too long ago that we were horrible 5 on 5 but had a great PP. Now we are pretty darn good 5 on 5 but have a terrible PP. Imagine if we could merge good 5 on 5 with good PP. I think it is easier to improve a PP than to improve a team's 5 on 5. A good PP just needs 5 players who know what their doing - maybe even less. I'm a MT Hater so i would conclude that he is not a good coach he just relies on Carey to save our bacon 5 on 5. On the PP Carey is not a factor and so when MT is left to actually coach we see the poor results. I believe that your judgement may be clouded by your disdain for Mr. T. I'm only pointing out that the teams at the top, the are winning more than losing, are getting it done when it truly counts at even strength, and the old "finding ways to win" rings true here for most of the Stanley Cup favorites. If we are still debating their manned disadvantage in June between periods of their games in the finals, well I for one could live with that notion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 2:07:19 GMT -5
One final thought I'll add, that I echo another posters sentiment that the PP is the fault of PK, it's all about his glory shot. Take him away, give it back to the best PP d-man in the game, and back to the top it will rise.
When Marky Markov was the #1 man it was in the top 3 in the league, when the young buck took over its fallen like a rock. I even laughed out loud tonight when I saw Mr PK telling Sergei Gonchar what was going to happen. Whatever Pk's plan is, well it's just plain, sorry for a lack of a better word, dumb.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 4, 2015 8:29:40 GMT -5
I saw a stat on Devils tv that had top 5 teams in nhl with some of the worst pp's. Only one of the top 8 teams in league has a good pp. Fact. So what does one make of that? It wasn't too long ago that we were horrible 5 on 5 but had a great PP. Now we are pretty darn good 5 on 5 but have a terrible PP. Imagine if we could merge good 5 on 5 with good PP. I think it is easier to improve a PP than to improve a team's 5 on 5. A good PP just needs 5 players who know what their doing - maybe even less. I'm a MT Hater so i would conclude that he is not a good coach he just relies on Carey to save our bacon 5 on 5. On the PP Carey is not a factor and so when MT is left to actually coach we see the poor results. I'd contend that our 5 on 5 play is on the decline as well , since the trade deadline. In the 17 games since the trade deadline, the Habs have scored 38 goals - 8 of those were on the PP, and 4 of those we scored short handed). So we've scored 26 goals at ES since the trade deadline. Max Pacioretty actually has more SHG (3) in that span than PPG (2). Another stat to consider. Since the trade deadline, only one Hab (Subban) has scored more even strength points than Jiri Sekac. Sekac has 7, since the deadline.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 4, 2015 11:29:02 GMT -5
Is that the same Sekac who was never given a chance on our PP and was traded away for a guy who can't make our 4th line? And who makes the decision who plays on the PP? I'm starting to see a pattern here
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Post by seventeen on Apr 4, 2015 11:55:37 GMT -5
One final thought I'll add, that I echo another posters sentiment that the PP is the fault of PK, it's all about his glory shot. Take him away, give it back to the best PP d-man in the game, and back to the top it will rise. When Marky Markov was the #1 man it was in the top 3 in the league, when the young buck took over its fallen like a rock. I even laughed out loud tonight when I saw Mr PK telling Sergei Gonchar what was going to happen. Whatever Pk's plan is, well it's just plain, sorry for a lack of a better word, dumb. I agree that PK is one of the PP problems. The point is, who sends out the guys on the PP? I don't think PK is calling his own name each time. Now I realize that politically and team wise, you can't just sit PK and try a bunch of other options on the Power play. But you can start dialing back his time, you can try other options on the point and you can take notes and if the PP gets better when PK not quarterbacking, you have concrete results and tape that you can sit down with him and go over. Point out that the PP is better (if it is) and why. Show him. Help him make adjustments to his game that will improve him. Maybe that's going on right now. I don't know. It doesn't look like the PP has changed much. I have seen PK trying wrist shots more often than he used to, but that's about the only change. The two wingers still end up too deep for my liking and the puck does not move nearly often enough. Get it going, make the defenders move a lot and tire them out. Get someone with size in front of the goalie. I'll try to come up with some more radical solutions before the playoffs.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 4, 2015 12:25:46 GMT -5
The Markov-Subban side-switch during the play has been going on for a while.
A good idea, on paper….to get the defenders moving and the goalie thinking differently…but has it really resulted in anything better?
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Post by Skilly on Apr 4, 2015 13:13:19 GMT -5
It's not that I want Subban off the PP completely. I agree with 17, that he has to be shown how to QB a PP if that's the role he wants. What I see on the PP, is Subban handling the puck way too much, and dipsy doodling at the blueline and as CH said, switching with Markov while carrying the puck. Then it's a pass to Markov, a pass back and a shot. Usually that shot misses and goes along the boards and out of the zone.
I'd have PK on the PP (I agree you really can't sit him) but I'd have Markov or Gonchar or Beaulieu controlling the puck once inside the zone. They can pass to the half boards, get some puck movement, some quick short passes on the opposite side of PK. Have PK dropping down for the Markov type back door play. This brings that winger low with him. Since PK is one of the best skaters on the ice if the back door isn't there, he can then stop on a dime, reverse, get some separation from the winger and then get that nice touch pass from Markov .... It gives the PP more options, and PK can concentrate on getting open and separating from the coverage instead of handling the puck.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 4, 2015 13:27:01 GMT -5
That should be a suspension .... What good it'll do. Gomez will only be resting for next year earlier Gomez was fined $1478.49
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 4, 2015 14:53:36 GMT -5
It's not that I want Subban off the PP completely. I agree with 17, that he has to be shown how to QB a PP if that's the role he wants. What I see on the PP, is Subban handling the puck way too much, and dipsy doodling at the blueline and as CH said, switching with Markov while carrying the puck. Then it's a pass to Markov, a pass back and a shot. Usually that shot misses and goes along the boards and out of the zone. I'd have PK on the PP (I agree you really can't sit him) but I'd have Markov or Gonchar or Beaulieu controlling the puck once inside the zone. They can pass to the half boards, get some puck movement, some quick short passes on the opposite side of PK. Have PK dropping down for the Markov type back door play. This brings that winger low with him. Since PK is one of the best skaters on the ice if the back door isn't there, he can then stop on a dime, reverse, get some separation from the winger and then get that nice touch pass from Markov .... It gives the PP more options, and PK can concentrate on getting open and separating from the coverage instead of handling the puck. Skilly I've been screaming for the Markov back door play for a while it'll force the other team to cover markov and create more space
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 4, 2015 14:55:15 GMT -5
That should be a suspension .... What good it'll do. Gomez will only be resting for next year earlier Gomez was fined $1478.49 Thats amazing a blatant elbow and that's it. Let's see if Don tells the kids not to do that. ... fat chance.
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