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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2015 9:54:59 GMT -5
Per various twitter sources.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 15, 2015 10:01:44 GMT -5
Chiarelli OutBoston, MA - Boston Bruins President Cam Neely announced today, Wednesday, April 15, that Peter Chiarelli has been relieved of his duties as General Manager of the Boston Bruins. An Interim General Manager will not be named at this time and the search for a new hire - which will be led by Bruins Chief Executive Officer Charlie Jacobs and Neely - will begin immediately. The Bruins current Assistant General Managers, Player Personnel Staff and Coaching Staff will remain in place at this time.
Jacobs and Neely will hold a press conference today at 3:00 p.m. ET in the Will McDonough Room at TD Garden.
"We are grateful for Peter's service to the Bruins organization over the last nine seasons," said Neely. "His efforts undoubtedly helped the team achieve great success during his tenure and he helped restore the proud tradition of Boston Bruins hockey. We ultimately feel that this change is necessary in order to ensure sustainable success for the club both in the short term and the long term. Our search for a new General Manager will begin immediately."
Chiarelli served as General Manager for nine seasons, after being named the seventh GM in club history on May 26, 2006.
Chiarelli's overall regular season record as the team's General Manager stands at 386-233-85, with his teams topping the 100-point plateau on four occasions and qualifying for the playoffs seven straight years from 2008-2014. His regular season record includes the third and fourth best seasons in club history with a 116-point campaign in 2008-09 (earning him The Sporting News NHL Executive of the Year honors) and the 2013-14 season's 117-point mark with the 54 wins, tying for the second-most single season victories in club annals.
Chiarelli earned a Stanley Cup Championship in 2011, a President's Trophy in 2013-14 and a Cup Final appearance in 2013.
He also served as an Assistant General Manager and won a Gold Medal for Team Canada during the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi.
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2015 10:31:34 GMT -5
wonder if McGuire is going to go after the job / if he is enough of a yes man to be a Bruin / if he finally realizes that he's just not going to get hired anywhere.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 15, 2015 10:39:46 GMT -5
wonder if McGuire is going to go after the job / if he is enough of a yes man to be a Bruin / if he finally realizes that he's just not going to get hired anywhere. He's probably the No.2 guy on their list ...  Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 15, 2015 10:45:23 GMT -5
wonder if McGuire is going to go after the job / if he is enough of a yes man to be a Bruin / if he finally realizes that he's just not going to get hired anywhere. I wouldn't think so, he's got it good where he is, he has job security. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 15, 2015 10:49:23 GMT -5
An old high school friend of mine used to be a junior scout for the Bruins here in Ontario until Keith Gretzky moved in two years ago ... he told me about the Bruins and Chiarelli in particular ... I dare say he's alright with Chiarelli's firing ... still, I don't know if he'll be out of work for too long ... I guess he could land in Toronto eventually, but I have a hunch that Shanahan may already have a GM replacement in mind ... no inside info, just a hunch ...
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 15, 2015 10:51:40 GMT -5
I dont understand this firing ...
Chiarelli wasn't the problem in Boston. His record speaks for itself. Most of his trades and signings came up aces.
One month after being hired in May 2006, he makes the trade that gets them Tukka Rask.
Two months after being hired he signs Zdeno Chara as a free agent.
Probably the only real blemish on his record is how they handled Seguin ... but it was a stroke of genius to dump Kessel and get the opportunity for Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin
On paper, Boston is not a bad team. Yes they need to start replacing the team that Chiarelli built, but in my opinion, that rebuild is this year or a season away and they aren't going to find a better person to do it than Chiarelli.
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2015 10:54:49 GMT -5
don't know that he was a yes man for Neely or Jacobs, Skilly.
didn't manage the cap well, but he got results . . . take a breath, take a year off, and get back to it, but nope.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 15, 2015 11:02:09 GMT -5
Poor Cap management and poor scouting.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 15, 2015 11:22:51 GMT -5
Poor Cap management and poor scouting. The scouting wouldn't be his job. And I dont think they did that bad a job of managing the cap. We'd all take a Stanley Cup every 8 years, wouldn't we? Who did they lose because of the cap? |
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 15, 2015 11:31:13 GMT -5
Boychuk.
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Post by Gogie on Apr 15, 2015 11:31:39 GMT -5
Poor Cap management and poor scouting. The scouting wouldn't be his job. And I dont think they did that bad a job of managing the cap. We'd all take a Stanley Cup every 8 years, wouldn't we? Who did they lose because of the cap? Johnny Boychuk for one. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 15, 2015 11:35:36 GMT -5
The scouting wouldn't be his job. And I dont think they did that bad a job of managing the cap. We'd all take a Stanley Cup every 8 years, wouldn't we? Who did they lose because of the cap? Johnny Boychuk for one. Is Boychuck the reason they didn't make the playoffs though? The way I see it. A GM should be allowed a bad year after the run Boston went on. If its just Boychuck, then I say he did really good. EDIT: In the Boychuck trade Boston acquired a second round pick in 2015 (one the Islanders previously acquired, so not the Islanders actually selection) and a second round selection in 2016. For those that like picks, that could work out .. well not for Chiarelli now, but the next guy |
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2015 11:41:21 GMT -5
Poor Cap management and poor scouting. The scouting wouldn't be his job. And I dont think they did that bad a job of managing the cap. We'd all take a Stanley Cup every 8 years, wouldn't we? Who did they lose because of the cap? they were still paying for Iginla this year |
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2015 11:47:59 GMT -5
The way I see it. A GM should be allowed a bad year after the run Boston went on. that's why I said " take a breath, take a year off, and get back to it". can you imagine Polluck being fired after the 69-70 season for not making it into the playoffs? |
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Post by duster on Apr 15, 2015 12:07:31 GMT -5
I didn't think he was a bad GM at all. There are far worse in the league. I don't see how Neely can find much better. I suspect it had to be a personal thing.
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2015 12:20:43 GMT -5
Poor cap management for Chia, and the Seguin trade. The latter has bombed for them.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 15, 2015 12:22:19 GMT -5
Poor Cap management and poor scouting. The scouting wouldn't be his job. And I dont think they did that bad a job of managing the cap. We'd all take a Stanley Cup every 8 years, wouldn't we? Who did they lose because of the cap? The GM is directly responsible for scouting. He's at the top of the scouting pyramid. He may not go out and check every prospect, but he hires the director of scouting who then deals with the remaining details, who to hire, where to hire, how many, what criteria, etc. If your scouting sucks (and the Bruins haven't had much success since the Lucic year of 2006), the GM has to deal with it. I simply pointed out the areas where I feel the Bruins have not done well. Now as to who is responsible for that, I'm not sure. Did Chiarelli have full authority? Did he have to run things by Neely or, god forbid, Chuck Jacobs? Was he a conductor or puppet? Don't know, but considering the owner's son seems to have some say in things, I'd start by pinning the tail on that donkey. Why him? No real evidence other than sons and princes are often the guys who destroy whatever the father and king have built up. I would think that Chiarelli has to share some of the overall blame. If he disagreed with decisions that were made, at some point you need to stand up, say so, and move on to your next job. Oh well. It looks good on them. They stole the 2011 Cup, those roaches. |
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2015 12:34:12 GMT -5
Poor cap management for Chia, and the Seguin trade. The latter has bombed for them. the question: was Seguin a Chiarelli move, or an ordered-from-the-top move. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 15, 2015 12:40:20 GMT -5
I didn't think he was a bad GM at all. There are far worse in the league. I don't see how Neely can find much better. I suspect it had to be a personal thing. I've heard this before about Neely. If I was a Bruins fan I'd be upset that a guy who got your team to the Finals twice in nine years with a Cup in there was turfed. Julien can't be far behind. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 15, 2015 13:32:10 GMT -5
I dont understand this firing ... Chiarelli wasn't the problem in Boston. His record speaks for itself. Most of his trades and signings came up aces. One month after being hired in May 2006, he makes the trade that gets them Tukka Rask. Two months after being hired he signs Zdeno Chara as a free agent. Probably the only real blemish on his record is how they handled Seguin ... but it was a stroke of genius to dump Kessel and get the opportunity for Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin On paper, Boston is not a bad team. Yes they need to start replacing the team that Chiarelli built, but in my opinion, that rebuild is this year or a season away and they aren't going to find a better person to do it than Chiarelli. Wonder if it's more of a flinch move than anything else ... his cap management wasn't the greatest ... tell me where they'd be if they had the scratch to re-sign Boychuk ... it's too bad about young Seguin, though ... my Bruins buddy told me that Seguin had lost the confidence of the organization ... he was more concerned about how many girls he dated, rather than how many goals he scored ... he stopped off-ice training and his on-ice effort ebbed considerably ... that trade never really panned out for Boston ... you're right about Kessel ... what does it say for you when one of the worst teams in the league considers you a problem ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2015 16:12:50 GMT -5
Poor cap management for Chia, and the Seguin trade. The latter has bombed for them. the question: was Seguin a Chiarelli move, or an ordered-from-the-top move. Bob McKeown had Neil Smith on this aft. They were discussing it. They recalled that the front office was discussing doing the trade during an episode of their 24/7 show. That discussion made it to air, and it seemed as though things hinged on whether Seguin "was a Bruin or not". Smith thought it seemed a consensus. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 17, 2015 11:16:51 GMT -5
Good read, even though he doesn't cite a couple of sources, yet uses the quotes. The Bruins may not be such a well-oiled machine. As long as Neely is involved….he seems to be the Royal Advisor to King and Prince Jacobs. Wonder if Julien will stay on. If the new GM will indeed be Don Sweeney…that's even better! The old boys club even closer. And they WILL get back to the dirt. Craig Custance, ESPNNear the trade deadline, former Boston Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli, fired on Wednesday, was working the phones to improve a team that was fighting for its playoff life. And with it, he had to know, the life of his current position with the Bruins.
The Bruins had targeted Arizona forward Antoine Vermette and Carolina defenseman Andrej Sekera. A GM desperate to save his job pays whatever the asking price for one or both of those players. We’ve seen it in the past, when a GM goes all-in at the deadline and the suspicion is that he’s doing it in part to protect his neck.
When dealing with Chicago and Los Angeles, teams in the middle of their Stanley Cup windows, the asking price was driven to include a first-round pick.
That’s when Chiarelli and the Bruins pulled out. Their deals did not and would not include a first-round pick.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones that aren’t made. Los Angeles got Sekera but still fell short of the playoffs. They now owe the Hurricanes a first-round pick. The Blackhawks paid a big price for Vermette, but he’s not why they are up 1-0 in the first round against the Predators. Vermette was a healthy scratch on Wednesday.
Instead, Chiarelli traded for a forward in Brett Connolly -- a player still on his entry-level deal and capable of filling a void in his age group created by suspect drafting in Boston, one of the criticisms of the Chiarelli era.
There are two ways to look at these decisions by Chiarelli. One, he was taking the long-range view in continuing to reshape this Bruins team from one that is aging and slow to a younger group while still keeping his roster intact for a possible playoff run.
Or two, as suggested by Bruins beat writer D.J. Bean at WEEI.com, he wasn’t given the green light to move assets to improve the team by president Cam Neely.
The first option sounds like the Chiarelli we know, a guy who typically did a good job striking the balance between the now and the future. The second sounds like a dysfunctional organization looking to run a guy out of his job.
Both are completely plausible, with the belief from some around the league that Neely’s camp has been looking for any excuse to wrestle power away from Chiarelli.
Apparently a 96-point season was a good enough one to do it.
“They want to run the team,” said one executive. “It didn’t matter what [Chiarelli] did.”
Chiarelli’s record wasn’t perfect, but the Bruins' front office is much better with him in it than without; firing him was completely short-sighted.
Yes, the Tyler Seguin trade gamble clearly wasn’t a good one. Neither was the Johnny Boychuk deal.
But the Phil Kessel trade was a home run. So was the deal that landed Nathan Horton. Chiarelli addressed suspect drafting with a change at the amateur level, promoting Keith Gretzky in place of Wayne Smith.
Part of the payoff was a 2014 draft that produced David Pastrnak, who helped spark the Bruins this year and doesn’t turn 19 until May. In August, ESPN prospect guru ranked the Bruins organization at No. 21 in his prospects rankings. It’s not great, but it’s in the same range as other teams fighting to win Stanley Cups and drafting low, and it's higher than teams in that category like the Penguins, Wild, Rangers and Sharks.
Truly the best way to build the prospect base is to lose, like the teams at the top of the organizational rankings.
That’s obviously not an option in Boston. Even on Wednesday, Charlie Jacobs felt compelled to clarify his midseason remarks about making the playoffs.
“The expectation is for us not only to get in the playoffs but to compete for a Stanley Cup, not just get in,” he said during the Chiarelli firing news conference. “I feel that maybe got lost a little bit in my messaging.”
Those who have been left behind in the front office have been told that Neely will consider internal and external options to replace Chiarelli with the plugged-in Fluto Shinzawa already crowning assistant GM Don Sweeney as the replacement.
There will be an outside search and if the team is smart, it will phone Ray Shero. If Shero is smart, he’ll politely decline unless he’s reporting directly to the owner. Shero is a veteran hockey executive and knows the issues that arise when too many people get involved in decision-making.
Boston is living it out right now.
Nashville assistant GM Paul Fenton is overdue for a promotion and could tackle a refocus on player development if the Bruins are willing to go through that process.
The best young executive in the game may be in Tampa Bay, where assistant GM Julien BriseBois has helped build the Lightning into a potential power.
But after seeing how Chiarelli was handled, they should all look at this job with critical eyes, knowing there’s already a vision in place for how the team should look.
“They will want to re-establish the identity of the Bruins of the times leading up to and after their Stanley Cup of being a team that is hard to play against,” said one Bruins source.
As for Chiarelli, according to a source, he’s disappointed but handling the firing professionally --as you’d expect.
There’s an opening in Toronto, but we’d understand if Chiarelli didn’t have an interest in taking a job in which a former player has all the power as team president.
If he wants, he can go the route taken by Ray Shero and George McPhee: reconnect with the family; take vacations that were never possible as a GM; and recharge while collecting a paycheck for a year.
“He’s going to have an opportunity to be patient if he chooses to be,” said one NHL source. “When he chooses to get back into it, it won’t take him long.”
That was a sentiment echoed by others in the league. Win a Stanley Cup, play for another and do it while putting out fires behind the scenes -- that'll earn you that respect.
“From the moment he took the reins in Boston, he did nothing but impress me,” said another executive. “I don’t think Pete will be unemployed long.” |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 17, 2015 12:35:39 GMT -5
Poor cap management for Chia, and the Seguin trade. The latter has bombed for them. I'm not sure it has. Dis is on my Facebook, and through him I friended Liam McGuire. McGuire says that Chiarelli was forced to trade Seguin, because the week before the trade Seguin was so drunk he didn't know where he was. Management told Chiarelli to trade him. Considering he had a gun to his head to trade him, he still managed to acquire Loui Ericsson and Rielly Smith. People tend to look at this trade and see that Ericsson has struggled in Boston, but let's not count out Smith. Smith is a really good prospect. If anything, Montreal Canadien fans should know that the returns you get when you have to trade someone are not usually in your favour ... remember the Patrick Roy return? Didn't Chris Chelios force us to trade him too ... we got Denis Savard, he didnt even suit up for most of that playoff run. |
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2015 13:34:14 GMT -5
Poor cap management for Chia, and the Seguin trade. The latter has bombed for them. I'm not sure it has. Dis is on my Facebook, and through him I friended Liam McGuire. McGuire says that Chiarelli was forced to trade Seguin, because the week before the trade Seguin was so drunk he didn't know where he was. Management told Chiarelli to trade him. Considering he had a gun to his head to trade him, he still managed to acquire Loui Ericsson and Rielly Smith. People tend to look at this trade and see that Ericsson has struggled in Boston, but let's not count out Smith. Smith is a really good prospect. If anything, Montreal Canadien fans should know that the returns you get when you have to trade someone are not usually in your favour ... remember the Patrick Roy return? Didn't Chris Chelios force us to trade him too ... we got Denis Savard, he didnt even suit up for most of that playoff run. As we've learned with our own prospects, better to surround them with the right leadership and mentorship. IMO, they gave up on him way too soon, and got quantity over quality. Smith is okay, but there are plenty of Bruins fans that aren't all that thrilled with him. Ericsson is simply a poor fit. Habs got two good seasons out of Denis before the cup year. In those first two seasons he was a ppg player in the playoffs. In a more open system he likely could have continued over a ppg during the season. The back injury in 92-92 crippled him, which is unfortunate. He was only 32. Without that injury he likely would have had several more productive seasons. Instead, he became a shadow of his former self. Chelios continued to play well passed his best before date. His decline started around 96-97, which is likely when Savard's would have naturally occurred, and he had his last good year imo in 01-02. IMO, that injury and its affect are the only thing that tilts the scales. Without it, both play at a high level until about the same time. Besides, Montreal got something Chelios didn't get until he left for Detroit. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 17, 2015 13:55:42 GMT -5
Poor cap management for Chia, and the Seguin trade. The latter has bombed for them. I'm not sure it has. Dis is on my Facebook, and through him I friended Liam McGuire. McGuire says that Chiarelli was forced to trade Seguin, because the week before the trade Seguin was so drunk he didn't know where he was. Management told Chiarelli to trade him. Considering he had a gun to his head to trade him, he still managed to acquire Loui Ericsson and Rielly Smith. People tend to look at this trade and see that Ericsson has struggled in Boston, but let's not count out Smith. Smith is a really good prospect. If anything, Montreal Canadien fans should know that the returns you get when you have to trade someone are not usually in your favour ... remember the Patrick Roy return? Didn't Chris Chelios force us to trade him too ... we got Denis Savard, he didnt even suit up for most of that playoff run. Liam has some outstanding discussion threads ... from what I understand, the drunk story with Seguin was the last straw ... he just wasn't committed in Boston ... it's kind of hard to prevent it sometimes, but Seguin started believing in his own press ... he was a young superstar-in-rent-a-car and he knew it ... he had some off-ice issues that the Bruins tried to help him with, but he was receiving the wrong advise from 'others' outside of the organization ... that comes from my buddy who used to work with the Bruins ... it's really too bad because he only figured it out once he hit Dallas ... however, after reading CH's reference I get the impression that Neely, et al, want to run the whole show ... someone else was telling me that in Cuba just a few weeks ago ... he was a Bruins fan and I got the impression he knew his hockey ... don't know if it's true or not, but Neely has put himself in a position to do just that ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2015 14:12:06 GMT -5
All these players who feel they have some unnatural ability to be as good in the president's chair as they were on the ice. Deluded. There are some guys who can do it. Most often, they've left the game, been successful at other things and then returned to managing a hockey team. Serge Savard comes to mind as the local example in Montreal, and Trevor Linden out west built a chain of fitness centres on his own and I suspect Paul Reinhart could also do it as he's been a successful investor after leaving hockey. Shanahan I don't know enough about and same with Neely, but I think they both got their management 'experience' either from knowing the people who hired them (it's not what you know....) and then learned on the job, so to speak. Those aren't the best references to put on your CV. "The boss and I drank a lot together and we got along really well".  |
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2015 16:14:26 GMT -5
By no means is Seguin without fault in all this. He's had off ice issues in Dallas too. I forget what he and Benn got up to this season, but it spoke to their attitudes. Surround him with people to get him to grow up. He's producing offensively at a rate that Ericsson and Smith can't compete with. It's not like Marchand and Lucic are nice people. There's a long list of people from Hammonds Plains, NS who can tell you the type of person Brad is, and that he comes by it from his parents.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 17, 2015 16:52:35 GMT -5
By no means is Seguin without fault in all this. He's had off ice issues in Dallas too. I forget what he and Benn got up to this season, but it spoke to their attitudes. Surround him with people to get him to grow up. He's producing offensively at a rate that Ericsson and Smith can't compete with. It's not like Marchand and Lucic are nice people. There's a long list of people from Hammonds Plains, NS who can tell you the type of person Brad is, and that he comes by it from his parents. They inferred on a radio show that the Sedins do everything together, even in their hotel room .... (They room together) |
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Post by blny on Apr 22, 2015 13:05:45 GMT -5
Friedmann is reporting that he's in Edmonton today talking to the Oilers.
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