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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2015 19:02:50 GMT -5
The Coonor McDavid sweepstakes.
The way this works is that there will be 14 balls put into a drum. Four balls will be pulled out of the drum in 10 second intervals.
There are 1001 different combinations of pulling 4 numbers from 14 numbers ... So the NHL has deemed the combination of 11, 12, 13, 14 will be a redraw. Effectively meaning there are only 1000 combinations.
A firm has randomly associated the combinations with the teams. As an example, the combination 1, 2, 3, 4 is associated with San Jose.
The full list of combinations and the teams that gets it us on the NHLs website.
200 combos belong to Buffalo, 135 combos belong to Arizona , and so on, down to 10 combos belonging to Boston.
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Post by Dschens on Apr 18, 2015 19:13:03 GMT -5
Booins and Jackets did not win. Good.
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Post by Dschens on Apr 18, 2015 19:14:04 GMT -5
Yes, Laughs lost too.
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Post by Dschens on Apr 18, 2015 19:14:20 GMT -5
Oh, come on. Oilers again.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2015 19:15:09 GMT -5
Edmonton wins the lottery .... Again
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 18, 2015 19:16:11 GMT -5
LOL. Oilers again. Take that Buffalo and Phoenix. At least Edmonton didn't try to tank.
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Post by Dschens on Apr 18, 2015 19:17:24 GMT -5
Don't the Oilers tank for a decade already?
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Post by PTH on Apr 18, 2015 19:22:30 GMT -5
Oh well. If ever the Oilers manage to get their act together, they'll be a terrific team.
But as an Oiler fan, I'd be worried that these guys wouldn't know how to build a winner and we'll see more kids get thrown to the wolves and not progress the way fans expect...
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Post by jkr on Apr 18, 2015 19:49:30 GMT -5
If ever a team didn't deserve another # 1 pick it's EDM. To me, other than the Leafs winning, this is the worst outcome.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2015 19:52:53 GMT -5
Best line on Twitter
The Oilers should start hanging those Draft Lottery envelopes up in the rafters next to those old Stanley Cup banners
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2015 19:54:07 GMT -5
Connor McDavid looked unhappy, Tim Murray looked livid and acted petty,
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 18, 2015 20:22:29 GMT -5
I guess we won't have to worry about McDavid in our division. Just Eichel.
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 18, 2015 20:43:17 GMT -5
I'm really happy that McDavid will most likely start his career out west. My personal hope was that Arizona would win. Instead, they could end up being the biggest loser of this lottery. They most likely lose out on BOTH McDavid and Eichel. They will get a very strong prospect, but the Arizona franchise NEEDS an offensive superstar to spur some kind of interest in hockey. I kind of feel sorry for their fans. The relief I felt after seeing that both Boston and Toronto didn't win the lottery was very satisfying.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 18, 2015 20:53:37 GMT -5
Don't feel to bad for Arizona. They are tanking next year as well. The projected 1st overall is from there too
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Post by PTH on Apr 18, 2015 21:08:01 GMT -5
I don't think Arizona would've been a great destination.... with or without McDavid they're a money pit, and it would be hard to explain how a team with The Next One needs to move since no one goes to their games...
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 18, 2015 21:54:09 GMT -5
Certainly, the system can be reworked.
Very frustrating to see the same incompetent architects/builders get rewarded.
What about something like:
Only one #1 pick in a 3-season period.
No more than three Top 3 picks in any 5-season period.
So, if a team finishes in or near the cellar 5 years in a row....the best they could do at the draft would be:
Year 1: 1st
Year 2: 2nd or 3rd
Year 3: 2nd or 3rd
Year 4: ineligible for Top 3 - re-ranked
Year 5: ineligible for Top 3 - re-ranked
I guess a team could play that system as such:
Year 1: 1st
Year 2: 2nd or 3rd
Year 3: finish higher in the standings, so as to not be eligible for Top 3
Year 4: 1st
Year 5: ineligible for Top 3 - re-ranked.
But that's still more equitable than what Edmonton has "accomplished" under the current system.
Year 1: 1st - Hall
Year 2: 1st - Nugent-Hopkins
Year 3: 1st - Yakupov
Year 4: 7th - Nurse
Year 5: 3rd - Draisaitl
Year 6: 1st - McDavid
Ridiculous.
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Post by Disp on Apr 18, 2015 21:56:49 GMT -5
At least we know it wasn't rigged. Probably the last place the nhl wanted him to go.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2015 22:28:59 GMT -5
I don't think Arizona would've been a great destination.... with or without McDavid they're a money pit, and it would be hard to explain how a team with The Next One needs to move since no one goes to their games... Yes, outside of a few hated teams (Leafs, Bruins etc., Phoenix would have been a terrible place to land. It's a hockey wasteland. I'm glad those aforementioned teams didn't get him. But I don't think McDavid will be happy in Edmonton. Oilers should consider trading the pick. They can probably get Ristolainen or Zadorov and Eichel for their pick, maybe more if Murray is that desperate. |
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Post by Disp on Apr 18, 2015 22:38:21 GMT -5
Just can't see them trading it. For anything at all.
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2015 23:05:15 GMT -5
Lebrun had a good blog about the lottery this eve. Have the Oilers been horribly run? Yes. He thinks MacT was a good choice, and he's a big supporter of Bob Nicholson. The latter is certainly a strong hockey mind. There are still some old guard guys around that should go, but 9 years of inept management can't be put solely at the feet of MacT and Nicholson. It will be a few years before you can do that.
The Oilers have gone on record apparently stating that they don't plan to trade any of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov, etc. But, they need to address serious shortcomings on defense and in goal. Addressing those needs is done easiest by identifying one of the current top six and trading them. A trade like that will be the time when you can truly grade the performance of Nicholson and MacT.
Regarding Tim Murray's comments: ass. He's an emotional guy, but his comments threw Eichel under the bus. In the heat of the moment, he didn't think and you can't do that as a GM. Murray had stated in the past that he felt Eichel was a #1 center on a Cup calibre team. He now needs to reach out to Jack to apologize for his comments and hope that Jack doesn't have the same decision making skills when he's ticked off, otherwise Jack might decide Buffalo isn't a place he wants to play.
I have no sympathy for Arizona. There shouldn't be a team there in the first place. I know loyal fans of the club, who live in the Phoenix area. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of them. The club has been every bit as poorly run for years. They couldn't even tank right this year, waiting til the dead line to trade their best players.
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2015 6:55:08 GMT -5
Lebrun had a good blog about the lottery this eve. Have the Oilers been horribly run? Yes. He thinks MacT was a good choice, and he's a big supporter of Bob Nicholson. The latter is certainly a strong hockey mind. There are still some old guard guys around that should go, but 9 years of inept management can't be put solely at the feet of MacT and Nicholson. It will be a few years before you can do that. The Oilers have gone on record apparently stating that they don't plan to trade any of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov, etc. But, they need to address serious shortcomings on defense and in goal. Addressing those needs is done easiest by identifying one of the current top six and trading them. A trade like that will be the time when you can truly grade the performance of Nicholson and MacT. Regarding Tim Murray's comments: ass. He's an emotional guy, but his comments threw Eichel under the bus. In the heat of the moment, he didn't think and you can't do that as a GM. Murray had stated in the past that he felt Eichel was a #1 center on a Cup calibre team. He now needs to reach out to Jack to apologize for his comments and hope that Jack doesn't have the same decision making skills when he's ticked off, otherwise Jack might decide Buffalo isn't a place he wants to play. I have no sympathy for Arizona. There shouldn't be a team there in the first place. I know loyal fans of the club, who live in the Phoenix area. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of them. The club has been every bit as poorly run for years. They couldn't even tank right this year, waiting til the dead line to trade their best players. What did Murray say? As for the Oilers. Sure they can keep all their forwards. It won't matter how good they are because the D and goaltending has never been there. If they think they are going to improve those areas without giving anything up , well that says a lot about their hockey acumen. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2015 6:59:10 GMT -5
I don't think Arizona would've been a great destination.... with or without McDavid they're a money pit, and it would be hard to explain how a team with The Next One needs to move since no one goes to their games... Yes, outside of a few hated teams (Leafs, Bruins etc., Phoenix would have been a terrible place to land. It's a hockey wasteland. I'm glad those aforementioned teams didn't get him. But I don't think McDavid will be happy in Edmonton. Oilers should consider trading the pick. They can probably get Ristolainen or Zadorov and Eichel for their pick, maybe more if Murray is that desperate. McDavid happy in EDM? After watching high draft picks continuing to fail for years how could he be happy? |
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2015 7:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2015 7:26:45 GMT -5
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 19, 2015 7:48:10 GMT -5
This would be a great year for a 'Lindros' type move from either McDavid or Eichel.
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Post by Disp on Apr 19, 2015 8:02:21 GMT -5
I hope not.
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2015 9:08:27 GMT -5
What did Murray say? As for the Oilers. Sure they can keep all their forwards. It won't matter how good they are because the D and goaltending has never been there. If they think they are going to improve those areas without giving anything up , well that says a lot about their hockey acumen. He openly questioned the rules/format of the lottery. Passive aggressively said he'd support the league if they decide to keep system (that allows Oilers to pick first all the time - implication). |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 9:13:10 GMT -5
Consider this ...
After the first three balls had been revealed, the Toronto Maple Leafs had the best shot at #1. They had 4 of the 11 remaining possibilities , Edmonton only had 2
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 9:15:35 GMT -5
Certainly, the system can be reworked. Very frustrating to see the same incompetent architects/builders get rewarded. What about something like: Only one #1 pick in a 3-season period.
No more than three Top 3 picks in any 5-season period. So, if a team finishes in or near the cellar 5 years in a row....the best they could do at the draft would be: Year 1: 1st Year 2: 2nd or 3rd Year 3: 2nd or 3rd Year 4: ineligible for Top 3 - re-ranked Year 5: ineligible for Top 3 - re-ranked I guess a team could play that system as such: Year 1: 1st Year 2: 2nd or 3rd Year 3: finish higher in the standings, so as to not be eligible for Top 3 Year 4: 1st Year 5: ineligible for Top 3 - re-ranked. But that's still more equitable than what Edmonton has "accomplished" under the current system. Year 1: 1st - Hall Year 2: 1st - Nugent-Hopkins Year 3: 1st - Yakupov Year 4: 7th - Nurse Year 5: 3rd - Draisaitl Year 6: 1st - McDavid Ridiculous. Next year will be a new system. The top three picks will be done by a lottery like this year. So if you finish last, you could pic 4th next year |
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Post by Disp on Apr 19, 2015 10:18:39 GMT -5
It's frustrating to see a team pile up #1's year after year, but it's because they suck. If the oilers could make good choices after their no brainer picks, they probably wouldn't have been in a position to pile them up. I wouldn't trade PK for any of their first rounders so far.
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