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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 20:57:10 GMT -5
Price nearly had to steal another one, but Parenteau scored late. First two PPs looked great, the third one looked iffy. Still needs work. Beaulieu is smooth as silk. Good game by him.
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Post by Tankdriver on May 9, 2015 21:03:02 GMT -5
Got to keep the pressure on. Let's make some history.
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Post by Disp on May 9, 2015 21:03:26 GMT -5
Series should be over. The boys should be chilling waiting for the rags or caps. We're better.
Go to Tampa and prove it again.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 9, 2015 21:06:17 GMT -5
Series on.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 9, 2015 21:06:26 GMT -5
Oui man ... going back to Tampa Bay ... we were the best team for two periods, then momentum went the other way with a couple of good Tampa shifts ... was the first time I thought we could lose tonight ... look for good things to happen in Tampa Monday night ... very, very pleased with this team ... we've got the goaltending and we've got the will ... our team wanted that more for most of the game ...
Cheers.
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Post by Bones on May 9, 2015 21:08:40 GMT -5
Series should be over. The boys should be chilling waiting for the rags or caps. We're better. Go to Tampa and prove it again. This, or atleast 3-2 Habs, but what can you do? We gotta do it the hard way I guess.
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Post by blny on May 9, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -5
I'll echo the Beaulieu sentiment. He really looked like he hadn't missed any games. Good to have him back. Smooth skater and he just thinks the game faster than Pateryn.
Really strong effort overall. Got backed up in third, legs stopped moving. I thought on the play leading up to "the save", that there should have been an interference call on Tampa. Coming up ice towards Price, Emelin lost his stick. A Tampa player kicked it away from Emelin, who then chose to go for his stick and leave Petry and the back checkers.
Bishop's reaction to the winner says all I need to know. He's rattled in the heat of it. He doesn't have ice in his veins.
Happy for DSP and PAP getting off the schneid.
Hope Emelin is okay. Camera caught Stamkos calling it a 'f$%^ing dive' on the bench. No Steve, that was an accidental shoulder to the jaw.
Next game is Tuesday isn't it? Not sure whether I like that or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 21:29:02 GMT -5
Hope Emelin is okay. Camera caught Stamkos calling it a 'f$%^ing dive' on the bench. No Steve, that was an accidental shoulder to the jaw. Steven would know...
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Post by franko on May 9, 2015 21:32:41 GMT -5
Next game is Tuesday isn't it? yup.
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Post by habsorbed on May 9, 2015 21:37:06 GMT -5
Pressure starting to build for TB and Bishop. Remember how we felt when Sens won 2 to make it 3-2.
Bishop is tall. That's it. Not particularly quick or nimble. Not poised or focused. Definitely lucky - how many posts and scrambles where he does't have a clue where the puck is.
We've got 4 lines going. don't mind which one is out there. In fact i think it was Max's line that had the most trouble in our end.
BGal is amazing.
Hope Emelin is OK. But Pateryn is a solid replacement. If it is a concussion we can hopefully use it as motivation against Stamkos. I'm not so sure it was accidental.
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Post by habsorbed on May 9, 2015 21:40:08 GMT -5
Sure hoping PA is a streaky scorer - I think that is his history, no?
And kudos to DSP. The goal was great but the hustle and hits have been key throughout this series.
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Post by Disp on May 9, 2015 21:56:22 GMT -5
Nabbed from another siite.
"Breaking it down by round, teams have held a 3-0 lead 46 times in the Preliminary round, 62 times in the Quarterfinals, 43 times in the Semifinal, and 27 times in the Stanley Cup Final. 110 of 178 times (62%), leading teams took the series in Game 4. Of the 68 teams that have survived a sweep, only 9 (13%) lived to skate in a Game 7."
Make some history.
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Post by blny on May 9, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -5
I noticed Bishop's footwork frequently this series. Aside from flopping all over the place, his balance is poor, and he's not a great skater. You can tell it's his first playoffs too. His emotions get the best of him.
PAP had a really rough year, but I'll say this: I thought he looked good in the few games down the stretch he got into while Max was out. He started these playoffs as a black ace. He got his chance to dress and he's been effective. He's been skating well, responsible in his role, and doing what's asked of him. It's likely the biggest goal of his career, and if it gets him going on the score sheet we're even better for it.
No idea if game 7 win happen, but it's the first time the Habs have forced a game 6 after going down 0-3. They know they can win in Tampa. They know they can win on home ice. They wanted to win game 4 to give themselves another game at home. They wanted to go back to Tampa, and they've accomplished that. Win or lose, they've showed character as a group.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 9, 2015 22:20:02 GMT -5
Other than Carey, they did not need the big guns to be difference makers tonight.
Solid effort all around. Tampa took it to them for chunks in the third, but they found a way.
Let's go to Tampa!!
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Post by habsorbed on May 9, 2015 23:22:46 GMT -5
Other than Carey, they did not need the big guns to be difference makers tonight. Solid effort all around. Tampa took it to them for chunks in the third, but they found a way. Let's go to Tampa!! Thought PK had am amazing game at both ends of the rink. He's a big gun and should be a Norris winner, again!
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2015 6:50:15 GMT -5
I noticed Bishop's footwork frequently this series. Aside from flopping all over the place, his balance is poor, and he's not a great skater. You can tell it's his first playoffs too. His emotions get the best of him. PAP had a really rough year, but I'll say this: I thought he looked good in the few games down the stretch he got into while Max was out. He started these playoffs as a black ace. He got his chance to dress and he's been effective. He's been skating well, responsible in his role, and doing what's asked of him. It's likely the biggest goal of his career, and if it gets him going on the score sheet we're even better for it. No idea if game 7 win happen, but it's the first time the Habs have forced a game 6 after going down 0-3. They know they can win in Tampa. They know they can win on home ice. They wanted to win game 4 to give themselves another game at home. They wanted to go back to Tampa, and they've accomplished that. Win or lose, they've showed character as a group. There was a point early in the 2nd after another one of his flops. It looked like the referee was lecturing Bishop on the diving. Hope that puts a stop to it.
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Post by BadCompany on May 10, 2015 7:04:33 GMT -5
Whoo-boy! Another nail biter!
* When did Job Cooper implement the Michel Therrien system? Seems the Lightning sat back until it was time to score, and then they went all out. I hate to say it, but another two minutes and I think they score again.
* Having said that, three posts and a goal line save by a defenseman on Galchenyuk. Could have been much different. I kept thinking those misses were gonna come back and haunt them, leaving them with a summer of "if only".
* Jacob De La Rose is now the only forward not to have scored a goal these playoffs.
* Losing Emelin for any time will really hurt, in my opinion. It will basically mean that we'll have both Beaulieu and Pateryn in the lineup at the same time, and while both have been okay, they've also both been relatively sheltered. That will be much harder to do with both of them in, AND in Tampa where Cooper will have the last change. I can see some icings and some bad matchups coming up.
* Two more "by his ears" goals against Bishop. I think Bishop is a very good goalie, but I don't think he's a very athletic goalie. He's big, and he moves well for a big man, but I don't find him to have very good reflexes, or good puck tracking. Don't get me wrong, being big in the net and in the right position all the time is like 85% of being a goalie, so I'm not writing his obituary just yet, just that I don't see him flashing the glove or making lightning quick kick saves (no pun intended).
* No power-plays against the Habs. What's up with that?? Another thing that I think will be against us in Game 6. Which is unfortunate, as the Lightning power-play is turning lethal.
* Max Pacioretty is back.
* Anybody else catch Subban's subtle little "I expect Bishop will be much better next game" dig? No wonder the rest of the league hates him. I love it!
* I'm developing a serious man-crush on Jeff Petry. Yeah, he kind of muffed up that simple clearing attempt in the last minute, but other than that I think he's been extraordinary. Actually, more than that; is it possible that his presence alone (or perhaps with slight help from Mitchell), has turned us into a true puck possession team? With Subban, Markov and Petry in your top three, and Gilbert as your four or five, you've got four legitimate transition defensemen, three of whom eat up 20+ minutes a night. Add in Beaulieu and this is a team that can move the puck in a hurry. With Mitchell winning faceoffs AND being a speed demon on the forecheck (something Malhotra is not) we suddenly seem to have the puck a lot more. I hope we can re-sign Petry... but doing so will probably mean the end of the big-ticket top six forward acquisition. Cap space you know.
* Winning Game 6 is going to be tough. Really tough. The Lightning are at home, and unlike these last two games I think they are going to be playing with desperation now. I think the general feeling will be that whoever wins Game 6 wins the series. The Lightning for obvious reasons, and if Montreal wins I don't think many people are going to give Tampa much chance in a Game 7 in Montreal. And I think the Lightning will know that. They will be desperate. They will also get more power-plays, and if Emelin is out, better matchups. Gonna be really, really tough.
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Post by Skilly on May 10, 2015 7:26:11 GMT -5
Last night in the third period, Therrien got out coached. The Lightning switched to a two man forecheck, and we could not clear the zone at all. What's worse, is that the Habs either didn't recognize this happened (which I doubt, because if we laymen noticed, I'm sure the noticed) or Therrien did not know how to adjust to it. It was frustrating to watch. Shift after shift after shift trying to clear the zone the same way and failing. Tampa was coming hard with a 2-2-1, covering the boards, and Montreal not once tried to break it but going up the middle. Even that play by Petry, ... No one in the middle and he tries a weak backhand about 10 feet from the blueline through 4 bodies. -no hair left-
This is the 11th Habs team that has been down 0-3 .... The first to force game 6. Keep making history.
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Post by Disp on May 10, 2015 9:39:34 GMT -5
Last night in the third period, Therrien got out coached. I can fix that for you. "Late in the third period, the boys didn't want to take any chances, and overcompensated by going up the boards when it wasn't always available." This isn't chess. Going up the middle can end with a "bang" in your net. Around the boards, even if it doesn't get out, the guys "reset" defensively. Much safer play, the guys know this. So when they feel the heat a bit, it's the play of choice. I realize it's frustrating to watch, when you know there is another option. Markov had a real bad one in the third. Puck moves from Carey's right to left behind the net. Markov picks it up, facing the end boards and just off the crease. Lots of time, but he just instantly rang it around and not very hard. No chance to get out or have a winger there to get it. The puck had just moved from right to left of Carey, there was no way our winger was going to be there. Should have delayed a bit, he had time. Thing is, that's not coaching, Markov knows this. He'll watch the tape and smack himself.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 10, 2015 10:05:52 GMT -5
I am really enjoying the optimism on the board this round. going down 3 zip was tough for everyone here but the last 2 wins have really perked things up. Keep it going boys.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 10:27:05 GMT -5
Jeff O'Neill very critical of Ben Bishop on both goals, saying he was in his net far too deep.
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Post by Skilly on May 10, 2015 10:52:54 GMT -5
Last night in the third period, Therrien got out coached. I can fix that for you. "Late in the third period, the boys didn't want to take any chances, and overcompensated by going up the boards when it wasn't always available." This isn't chess. Going up the middle can end with a "bang" in your net. Around the boards, even if it doesn't get out, the guys "reset" defensively. Much safer play, the guys know this. So when they feel the heat a bit, it's the play of choice. I realize it's frustrating to watch, when you know there is another option. Markov had a real bad one in the third. Puck moves from Carey's right to left behind the net. Markov picks it up, facing the end boards and just off the crease. Lots of time, but he just instantly rang it around and not very hard. No chance to get out or have a winger there to get it. The puck had just moved from right to left of Carey, there was no way our winger was going to be there. Should have delayed a bit, he had time. Thing is, that's not coaching, Markov knows this. He'll watch the tape and smack himself. But it is coaching ...it's the system. And it's apparently the credo to stick to it at all costs. And it's burned us already this series twice (game 1 and game 2) and almost last night when Stamkos scored. You can see it happening. The Bolts send two guys deep on the forecheck. They don't care which dman gets it, they know every dman is going to do the same thing - dump it to the half boards, or attempt to ring it around the boards. So when the dman rings it around, the Bolts have two guys along the boards Near the blueline on either side. So now they have 2 deep fore checkers, and 2 along the boards preventing the dump out. As you said, a lot of times the Habs are just blindly ringing it around or softly pushing it out of harms way (the system). Then what happens? The Bolts get it most times, cause our wingers are playing the odds it will get out (wrong odds to play, especially with the lead) and the guy on the opposite boards goes to the middle, and the high d-man (the 1 in the 2-2-1) jumps up and the Bolts have a mismatch in the middle of the ice cause ALL OUR guys are along the boards. All it takes is for o e of our forwards to be back by the circle. A quick pass to him, the other dman goes to the middle ... Give the forward that one option, and it's bang bang out, because the Bolts have two deep.
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Post by CentreHice on May 10, 2015 11:02:20 GMT -5
Jodoin is supposedly watching from above, no? And relaying info to one of the assistants on the bench?
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Post by blny on May 10, 2015 11:14:20 GMT -5
I think perhaps the best thing about Petry is that we've found a guy Emelin can play well with. Emelin can play his game and know that Petry is responsible and fast enough to cover up for him. They're a great second pair. A full season of them and you can cut back Subban and, especially, Markov's minutes. That will go a long way to keeping Andrei fresher for the playoffs.
Gonchar off the books means it's more than doable to sign Jeff long term if he's interested. There are ties to Detroit, and they may make a push, but Montreal should be able to make a competitive offer. My hope would be that something between Emelin's contract and $5 million will get it done, but if there's a bidding war it will exceed that most likely.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 10, 2015 11:32:16 GMT -5
Sure hoping PA is a streaky scorer - I think that is his history, no? And kudos to DSP. The goal was great but the hustle and hits have been key throughout this series. DSP with a goal (his only SOG) and five hits in only 9:54 TOI ... had two giveaways but still, that line looked good last night ... both Desharnais and Eller were 8/12 on faceoffs ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 10, 2015 11:45:24 GMT -5
* Jacob De La Rose is now the only forward not to have scored a goal these playoffs. There's something to be said for that ... the whole team is contributing and it wouldn't surprise me to see DLR to score one eventually ... I was thinking the same thing ... no penalties in Game 5 might make for bad karma in Game 6 ... ... and he's backing it up ... If I'm Bergevin I'd look at sending this to the league ... I'd also argue with anyone thinking Tampa is getting no breaks ... they also dodged a bullet when they got only two minutes despite drawing blood on Weise ...
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Post by blny on May 10, 2015 11:50:01 GMT -5
No penalties, because maybe there weren't any? I didn't see any glaring infractions on Montreal's part. Chapeau to the refs who chose to ignore "game management" tactics.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 10, 2015 11:51:15 GMT -5
Series should be over. The boys should be chilling waiting for the rags or caps. We're better. Go to Tampa and prove it again. Has to get back to Montreal ... withstand the initial Tampa onslaught, re-establish a full-court press and take it from there ... need this one ... Cheers.
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Post by Disp on May 10, 2015 12:43:19 GMT -5
I can fix that for you. "Late in the third period, the boys didn't want to take any chances, and overcompensated by going up the boards when it wasn't always available." This isn't chess. Going up the middle can end with a "bang" in your net. Around the boards, even if it doesn't get out, the guys "reset" defensively. Much safer play, the guys know this. So when they feel the heat a bit, it's the play of choice. I realize it's frustrating to watch, when you know there is another option. Markov had a real bad one in the third. Puck moves from Carey's right to left behind the net. Markov picks it up, facing the end boards and just off the crease. Lots of time, but he just instantly rang it around and not very hard. No chance to get out or have a winger there to get it. The puck had just moved from right to left of Carey, there was no way our winger was going to be there. Should have delayed a bit, he had time. Thing is, that's not coaching, Markov knows this. He'll watch the tape and smack himself. But it is coaching ...it's the system. And it's apparently the credo to stick to it at all costs. And it's burned us already this series twice (game 1 and game 2) and almost last night when Stamkos scored. You can see it happening. The Bolts send two guys deep on the forecheck. They don't care which dman gets it, they know every dman is going to do the same thing - dump it to the half boards, or attempt to ring it around the boards. So when the dman rings it around, the Bolts have two guys along the boards Near the blueline on either side. So now they have 2 deep fore checkers, and 2 along the boards preventing the dump out. As you said, a lot of times the Habs are just blindly ringing it around or softly pushing it out of harms way (the system). Then what happens? The Bolts get it most times, cause our wingers are playing the odds it will get out (wrong odds to play, especially with the lead) and the guy on the opposite boards goes to the middle, and the high d-man (the 1 in the 2-2-1) jumps up and the Bolts have a mismatch in the middle of the ice cause ALL OUR guys are along the boards. All it takes is for o e of our forwards to be back by the circle. A quick pass to him, the other dman goes to the middle ... Give the coward that one option, and it's bang bang out, because the Bolts have two deep. It's all about puck support. Watch where the guys are in relation to the puck. They basically play on half the ice depending on which side the puck is on. Offensively and defensively. Not just our team. All teams. Getting spread out in your own zone is exactly what teams want to happen. So when the puck goes into our end, and the opposition is coming, you know they're pressing, you default to a defensive alignment. Puck support on the side that it's on. You can spread out, winger on both sides, but it's risky. The guys know if they keep it where the guys are, its a better percentage play. Seems so simple to just spread out and give your dmen more options, but one misplay, the puck is lost and it's pretty wide open. You start moving it away from where all your guys are, well, it's risky. Thing is, this isn't always what happens. The guys do move it out more efficiently for a lot of the game. It's when Tampa is coming hard that they perhaps default to the safer defensive alignment a little sooner than they need to. It's still safer that way though, but I'm sure the coaches still tell them not to over play it defensively. Also, if you're hurried or under pressure, for god sakes don't go up the middle, the risk reward isn't there. The ring around is the safer play. It's when they start feeling the heat that they don't always make it work.. The guys aren't robots or chess pieces to move around the ice. The other team does have a say in what you do or don't do. I think for the most part our play in this series has been outstanding. Especially considering how Tampa kicked us during the regular season. They're still pretty good though. They do make it tough on us.
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Post by habsorbed on May 10, 2015 12:50:55 GMT -5
I have no doubt the Habs are the better team. Problem is we dug a deep hole going down by 3 even though we could have won 2 of those games. Hockey is like baseball now, a game of percentages. With so many one goal games it becomes a lucky bounce/call here or there that can make the difference. And in hockey a goalie who stands on their head or is off for one game changes it all. To win four in a row becomes a very difficult task as there is no room for error or poor luck, or Bishop standing on his head. Put the best team in the league against the worst and it would be a huge chore for the best to win 4 straight.
Anyway, we've got 2 of the 4 so our percentages are much better now but it remains a herculean task. But must say I'm enjoying the hockey we're playing. Been sound. Kudos to the team.
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