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Post by Disp on May 17, 2015 13:47:50 GMT -5
I'm not going to go through and break it all down. You present it as some hard and fast rule of development. It's incorrectly presented and half wrong. I'm pretty sure their development paths would all end up being different. Which kind of proves my point.
A case could be made that the young oiler on the list could have been handled differently as well. So there is that too.
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Post by CentreHice on May 17, 2015 14:32:30 GMT -5
Sorry, Disp…..I thought you had some hard numbers.
Yes, everyone is handled "differently"….but, by and large, when a player is scouted and drafted as a centre at #3 overall….he usually ends up there by his 3rd season….no? Perhaps not a "hard and fast rule of development"….but the overwhelmingly common outcome.
If I'm not correct, I welcome being informed.
I concede that Chucky needs work. But, as franko said, he's not going to learn how to play centre on the wing.
Hopefully, he gets a true shot next season, as Bergevin said, "We all want Chucky to be a centre"….
And he's still very young….so I'm not as down about it as one might think. Just concerned.
That's about all I can say on the topic…..so I'll see wait and see what happens next year.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 17, 2015 14:46:07 GMT -5
It's very important to remember that whatever is said publicly by any member of the Habs should be taken with a grain of salt. We will never get the plain truth. We have to hope that Chucky will eventually be installed permanently at centre, as it is probably the team's greatest need. But if for whatever reason, he ends up being a winger, would it really be so bad to have a top 4 winger capable of a consistent 20+ goals per year? Let's remember that true top 4 wingers are almost as big a necessity on the Habs. IMHO, even though I will be disappoined slightly if Chucky ends up on the wing, it will be a win-win for the Habs either way. The search for true top 2 centres will continue regardless of Chucky's development, as there will still be one spot to fill. The Berg will need to find one in the draft, or via the trade route, as noone lets top centres get to free agency. I don't know, man ... I was watching a replay of Bergevin's presser and I thought he was good at explaining the reality of situation ... a couple of other things I took from that ... first, what is De La Rose doing right and Galchenyk doing wrong ... what is it the organization doesn't see in Gal ... secondly, I wonder if it might be a case of the organization leaving Galchenyuk too long at the wing and now he's more comfortable there ... all that said, I thought Gal made some pretty talented plays in the playoffs but he had no finish ... ref Desharnais and Plekanec; Bergevin praised their efforts this year which is what he should have done yet, there's nothing to suggest that he wouldn't entertain moving either one of them if he got the right deal ... Bergevin knows the team's needs and I'm hoping he addresses them on draft day ... Cheers.
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Post by Disp on May 17, 2015 14:49:49 GMT -5
It's very important to remember that whatever is said publicly by any member of the Habs should be taken with a grain of salt. We will never get the plain truth. We have to hope that Chucky will eventually be installed permanently at centre, as it is probably the team's greatest need. But if for whatever reason, he ends up being a winger, would it really be so bad to have a top 4 winger capable of a consistent 20+ goals per year? Let's remember that true top 4 wingers are almost as big a necessity on the Habs. IMHO, even though I will be disappoined slightly if Chucky ends up on the wing, it will be a win-win for the Habs either way. The search for true top 2 centres will continue regardless of Chucky's development, as there will still be one spot to fill. The Berg will need to find one in the draft, or via the trade route, as noone lets top centres get to free agency. I don't know, man ... I was watching a replay of Bergevin's presser and I thought he was good at explaining the reality of situation ... a couple of other things I took from that ... first, what is De La Rose doing right and Galchenyk doing wrong ... what is it the organization doesn't see in Gal ... secondly, I wonder if it might be a case of the organization leaving Galchenyuk too long at the wing and now he's more comfortable there ... all that said, I thought Gal made some pretty talented plays in the playoffs but he had no finish ... ref Desharnais and Plekanec; Bergevin praised their efforts this year which is what he should have done yet, there's nothing to suggest that he wouldn't entertain moving either one of them if he got the right deal ... Bergevin knows the team's needs and I'm hoping he addresses them on draft day ... Cheers. Sometimes obvious is just that, obvious. No motives, no bs, no conspiracy. I agree.
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 17, 2015 14:53:05 GMT -5
What still has me shaking my head, though… One of these things is not like the others….one of these things just isn't the same….2006. Jonthan Toews. 6'2". 2010. Drafted 3rd overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2007. Kyle Turris. 6'1". 195. Drafted 3rd overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2008. Steven Stamkos. 6'0". 190. Drafted 1st overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2009. John Tavares. 6'1". 205. Drafted 1st overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2010. Ryan Johansen. 6'3". 223. Drafted 4th overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2011. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. 6'1". 185. Drafted 1st overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2012. Alex Galchenyuk. 6'2". 205. Drafted 3rd overall as a centre. Slotted on wing. Brief tryout at centre in Year 3. Back to the wing. GM says, "Right now it looks like he won't be a centre….but we don't know…" 2013. Nathan MacKinnon. 6'0". 182. Drafted 1st overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. 2013. Aleksander Barkov. 6'3". 209. Drafted 2nd overall as a centre. Slotted at centre. Stayed at centre. Like I said, just our luck….. But all those other guys where breaking onto terrible hockey clubs...sorta different situations. That being said I was disappointed that the Chucky at center experiement lasted only 14 games.... It turned out to more of a get Desharnais going then give Galychenyuk the keys and run with it. I'm guessing next season Chucky will be the permanent #1 center at some point. Desharnais has 2 years on a cheap $3.5 million contract..I'm guessing someone would be willing to trade for a guy that consistently putting up 50 points a season..I think? I'm of the thinking that the whole " Chucky may never play at center" part of the news conference has more to due with the contract negotiations Probably helps the teams cause going in
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Post by Disp on May 17, 2015 15:04:27 GMT -5
Sorry, Disp…..I thought you had some hard numbers. Yes, everyone is handled "differently"….but, by and large, when a player is scouted and drafted as a centre at #3 overall….he usually ends up there by his 3rd season….no? Perhaps not a "hard and fast rule of development"….but the overwhelmingly common outcome. If I'm not correct, I welcome being informed. I concede that Chucky needs work. But, as franko said, he's not going to learn how to play centre on the wing. Hopefully, he gets a true shot next season, as Bergevin said, "We all want Chucky to be a centre"…. And he's still very young….so I'm not as down about it as one might think. Just concerned. That's about all I can say on the topic…..so I'll see wait and see what happens next year. Just watch games. Mackinnon is a good example of that. I watched quite a few av games last year, most of the time he played on the wing. It was kind of funny cause when they came to Mtl, after the game, quite a few guys were lamenting that he was playing center and Galch wasn't. I thought they were on glue. He played wing the entire game. If you're not going to watch, it takes about 5 seconds on Google to find some of the info out. "Johansen on wing" for example, will probably get you something. Some guys are scouted as a potential #1 center and don't make the nhl at 18 either. Some guys aren't scouted as a #1 and end up being just that. Development isn't always cut and dried. When you actually have the guy, you have to deal with him how he is, not how you wish he was. From what I can see, that's what our guys are doing. You can wreck a guy, or at least make it really frustrating for everyone involved, if you try and force him into a role he's not ready for.
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Post by CentreHice on May 17, 2015 16:08:38 GMT -5
But all those other guys where breaking onto terrible hockey clubs...sorta different situations. My only argument to that is that when we drafted Galchenyuk we were coming off a horrific season, too, and looking for that elusive centre. And it's not as if we had Jean Beliveau and Henri Richard taking up the #1 and #2 centre spots. We're on the way up…that's the good thing. If I'm to remain a fan of this edition, I have to have trust in what our GM and staff are doing….so I'll put it all aside and wait. I'm sure the subject will come up again…
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Post by Skilly on May 17, 2015 18:41:47 GMT -5
Turris and Johansen as well, off the top of my head. So that's darn near half wrong. Do we really want to use Turris as an example of player development though ? The guy was kind of a Saperlipopettehead when he came into the league. First 4 years were a mess. He could hardly get into the lineup, at any position. I don't want to go down that road with Galch. Ummmm, how many of CH's examples were drafted as centres and spent THREE years developing as a winger? Galchenyuk had about 20 games as a Center in three seasons ... The other examples had about 20 games on the wing in their careers!
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Post by Skilly on May 17, 2015 19:07:53 GMT -5
Sorry, Disp…..I thought you had some hard numbers. Yes, everyone is handled "differently"….but, by and large, when a player is scouted and drafted as a centre at #3 overall….he usually ends up there by his 3rd season….no? Perhaps not a "hard and fast rule of development"….but the overwhelmingly common outcome. If I'm not correct, I welcome being informed. I concede that Chucky needs work. But, as franko said, he's not going to learn how to play centre on the wing. Hopefully, he gets a true shot next season, as Bergevin said, "We all want Chucky to be a centre"…. And he's still very young….so I'm not as down about it as one might think. Just concerned. That's about all I can say on the topic…..so I'll see wait and see what happens next year. I remember when we drafted Galchenyuk. He played that whole camp at Center. He started his rookie season at Center. Well ok, not really. The first game that season he started on the wing with Plekanec and Gionta. But he got moved to Center in game #2. He played game #2 through #10 with Prust and Gallagher and scored 1 goal and had 6 assists. 7 points in 9 games and a +6. And for some extraordinarily unknown reason, he got moved to the wing in game 11, not yo play there the rest of the season. Which he ended with 27 points .... 7 points at Center in 9 games. 20 points in almost 40 games at wing. What I recall is how I was adamant on here that it's not so easy to develop him as a winger. Especially in the following season. I figured we had him converted to a winger, if he went 3 seasons as a winger, how easy would it be for him to flip the switch ... Would the "he isn't a good Center" excuses pour in, would we give him time to gel at center? I was ecstatic this year when they put him back at Center, and even more surprised that he picked up where he left off .... So now in three seasons he has played 23 games as a Center. And had 16 points in those 23 games. But he isn't comfortable?? I'm not buying that BS ....
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Post by Disp on May 17, 2015 19:20:00 GMT -5
Well, Galch's own words. "More comfortable on the wing"
I guess it could be some crazy conspiracy instead, that's probably likely.
Let's just go with that.
We'll see what happens next year.
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Post by Skilly on May 17, 2015 19:35:03 GMT -5
Well, Galch's own words. "More comfortable on the wing" I guess it could be some crazy conspiracy instead, that's probably likely. Let's just go with that. We'll see what happens next year. Actually , your quote is wrong. Galchenyuk said he was very comfortable playing wing, as well as Center . He said he had his say regarding being moved back to the wing, and he and MT felt it was best for the team. But not because of the comfort level. We can infer that, but it's also possible to infer because they had two other centres that just can't play wing. He never said he was more comfortable on the wing. His quote was " "But it's not like I went to see the coach to tell him to get out of the center and put me on the wing," he said. "He asked me if I was comfortable going back to the wing, and I had my say. I had not produced much in previous games and thought I could help the team more in the left wing. " I guess Galchenyuk is just one of those guys that if you don't produce for 2 straight games, you can scapegoat
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Post by Disp on May 17, 2015 20:18:30 GMT -5
There are enough versions of the quotes from all parties involved that it can be spun anyway we want to. I read somewhere that Galch doesn't want to play center at all, and that MT/MB are taking the heat for it to deflect it from Galch. Why don't we go with that one? We're in good hands. In my opinion they're making the right call with Chucky so far. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 18, 2015 11:50:09 GMT -5
There are enough versions of the quotes from all parties involved that it can be spun anyway we want to. Lol This quote has been taken outta context then spun and twisted so many way to further people's agenda I don't remember what was said... If I remember it was more to the point of where the coach wants me to play I will play.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 18, 2015 12:00:32 GMT -5
Didn't know this ... Fred Poulin @fredpoulin98 16m16 minutes ago #Habs Jacob De La Rose played through a wrist injury in the playoffs, which needs surgery and will have him in a cast for the next 6 weeks. That's good to know.. He wasn't as inpactful doing the playoffs and tbh I thought he would of taken a bigger role this offseason From Bleacher Report ... "Pacioretty, Beaulieu of Montreal Canadiens Dealt with Injuries" ... I think the team did well despite these injuries ... Cheers.
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Post by Disp on May 18, 2015 12:36:57 GMT -5
Turris and Johansen as well, off the top of my head. So that's darn near half wrong. Do we really want to use Turris as an example of player development though ? The guy was kind of a Saperlipopettehead when he came into the league. First 4 years were a mess. He could hardly get into the lineup, at any position. I don't want to go down that road with Galch. Ummmm, how many of CH's examples were drafted as centres and spent THREE years developing as a winger? Galchenyuk had about 20 games as a Center in three seasons ... The other examples had about 20 games on the wing in their careers! This simply isn't true either. Johansen played his rookie year mostly on the wing, 2nd year he was broken in with more time, also got sent to the ahl, and struggled mostly when he returned. Next year he broke out at center. Thing is though. He didn't play in the nhl his first year of eligibility. Spent it in junior. So it took him til his 4th year after being drafted, to be a good, productive center. What year will it be for Galch next? I'm not going to go through Turris's struggles early on, they are well documented, but it took what, 5-6 years to play as a go to guy with the sens? Like I said earlier, not a good example to further someone's case. It seems maybe Galch's development isn't that far off, you could actually make a case that he's ahead of where some of these guys were.
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 18, 2015 12:55:16 GMT -5
That's good to know.. He wasn't as inpactful doing the playoffs and tbh I thought he would of taken a bigger role this offseason From Bleacher Report ... "Pacioretty, Beaulieu of Montreal Canadiens Dealt with Injuries" ... I think the team did well despite these injuries ... Cheers. Cheers for the quote:-)))) I heard Del La Rose had issues from one of the posters here as well
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Post by Skilly on May 18, 2015 13:28:47 GMT -5
There are enough versions of the quotes from all parties involved that it can be spun anyway we want to. Lol This quote has been taken outta context then spun and twisted so many way to further people's agenda I don't remember what was said... If I remember it was more to the point of where the coach wants me to play I will play. And that's pretty much (paraphrased off course) exactly what he implied in his quote
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Post by Skilly on May 18, 2015 13:31:08 GMT -5
Ummmm, how many of CH's examples were drafted as centres and spent THREE years developing as a winger? Galchenyuk had about 20 games as a Center in three seasons ... The other examples had about 20 games on the wing in their careers! This simply isn't true either. Johansen played his rookie year mostly on the wing, 2nd year he was broken in with more time, also got sent to the ahl, and struggled mostly when he returned. Next year he broke out at center. Thing is though. He didn't play in the nhl his first year of eligibility. Spent it in junior. So it took him til his 4th year after being drafted, to be a good, productive center. What year will it be for Galch next? I'm not going to go through Turris's struggles early on, they are well documented, but it took what, 5-6 years to play as a go to guy with the sens? Like I said earlier, not a good example to further someone's case. It seems maybe Galch's development isn't that far off, you could actually make a case that he's ahead of where some of these guys were. You do up the hard numbers on CHs examples ... How many games at Center, how many games on the wing .... And compare to Galchenyuk, then we will talk.
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Post by habsorbed on May 18, 2015 14:07:44 GMT -5
I'm not happy about the lack of time Chuck's been at centre. However I have to recognize the following:
1) If you look at the drafts since 2009, top 5 have for most part done pretty well while top 3 just about guaranteed stars (except maybe Drouin and Ryan Murray);
2) Chuck's draft year (2012) is the weakest of all the years (just our luck);
3) Chuck is so far the best player in his year - most points, most games. Yak is not far behind but no one else is even close (I'll admit that I wanted Gregorenko and he's a bust).
So while we can debate how Chuck has been used and if he could be better, I don't think we can complain about his development and his potential. He is the best of his class so far and still very young and may still blossom into an elite winger/centre - as a top 3 draft choice should.
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Post by Disp on May 18, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -5
This simply isn't true either. Johansen played his rookie year mostly on the wing, 2nd year he was broken in with more time, also got sent to the ahl, and struggled mostly when he returned. Next year he broke out at center. Thing is though. He didn't play in the nhl his first year of eligibility. Spent it in junior. So it took him til his 4th year after being drafted, to be a good, productive center. What year will it be for Galch next? I'm not going to go through Turris's struggles early on, they are well documented, but it took what, 5-6 years to play as a go to guy with the sens? Like I said earlier, not a good example to further someone's case. It seems maybe Galch's development isn't that far off, you could actually make a case that he's ahead of where some of these guys were. You do up the hard numbers on CHs examples ... How many games at Center, how many games on the wing .... And compare to Galchenyuk, then we will talk. My point stands, show me the hard #'s that disprove it. You can't really though, cause Galch isn't in his 4th 5th or 6th year since his draft. And as far as I know they don't track by position played. Galch is still listed as a center on nhl.com for example. I can only go by their coach/gm comments and from watching myself. I don't really trust the comments of anyone else either. Some guys can watch an entire game and not notice where a guy is playing, like I mentioned previously. Patience. Both of these guys struggled along the way. There were some serious questions being asked about them. Johansen was considered over matched a bit and lacked first step speed. Sounds familiar. Turris was a mess and looked like a bust.
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Post by Skilly on May 18, 2015 15:15:38 GMT -5
You do up the hard numbers on CHs examples ... How many games at Center, how many games on the wing .... And compare to Galchenyuk, then we will talk. My point stands, show me the hard #'s that disprove it. You can't really though, cause Galch isn't in his 4th 5th or 6th year since his draft. And as far as I know they don't track by position played. Galch is still listed as a center on nhl.com for example. I can only go by their coach/gm comments and from watching myself. I don't really trust the comments of anyone else either. Some guys can watch an entire game and not notice where a guy is playing, like I mentioned previously. Patience. Both of these guys struggled along the way. There were some serious questions being asked about them. Johansen was considered over matched a bit and lacked first step speed. Sounds familiar. Turris was a mess and looked like a bust. I've already supplied you with Galchenyuk's stats as a winger and as a centre ... There are sites that track Habs ice time by position, Youve supplied nothing to support your stance but anecdotal evidence. Galchenyuk stats are by far better as a centre than as a winger .... now, you show me the other guys were treated the same. That they were put on the wing, even though they averaged almost a point a game at centre.
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Post by Disp on May 18, 2015 15:46:20 GMT -5
Believe it or not, stats are not exactly hard evidence of individual play either. Let's take a journey to "magical stats land". In this universe, I can build a team with nothing but Parenteau's on the forward lines. Let's say that since he averages about 20 goals per 82 games, that means I'll get 240 goals from my forwards. Man I wish I could transport my Parenteau team to reality. I'd win the cup for sure. Kind of silly, but it if you ignore actual play in favour of stats, it's probably not going to work out well.
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Post by Disp on May 18, 2015 16:08:40 GMT -5
I kind of like "magical stats land". This must be how Gainey felt. ( badumtish ) Just imagine 09/10 Marc-Andre Bergeron on my Parenteau team. 6 of him. That works out to about 115 goals from my d. 355 goals total. Wow, they'll have to change the rules.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 19, 2015 9:18:43 GMT -5
Some encouraging news from the 14th ...
Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
#canadiens Jeff Petry wants to come back to Montréal. Saying it's his first choice. #tvasports 12:36 PM - 14 May 2015
... Cheers la ...
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Post by Skilly on May 19, 2015 11:19:05 GMT -5
Believe it or not, stats are not exactly hard evidence of individual play either. Let's take a journey to "magical stats land". In this universe, I can build a team with nothing but Parenteau's on the forward lines. Let's say that since he averages about 20 goals per 82 games, that means I'll get 240 goals from my forwards. Man I wish I could transport my Parenteau team to reality. I'd win the cup for sure. Kind of silly, but it if you ignore actual play in favour of stats, it's probably not going to work out well. You are right ... silly me ... why would we ever want a player that is producing at a point a game. The main thing we need is for him to be comfortable. So in Magical Stats Land a team of Sidney Crosbys would score 600 goals, 1800 points, that's how it works now is it? Considering there is only 60 mins to a game ...
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Post by Willie Dog on May 19, 2015 11:43:37 GMT -5
Some encouraging news from the 14th ... Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
#canadiens Jeff Petry wants to come back to Montréal. Saying it's his first choice. #tvasports 12:36 PM - 14 May 2015... Cheers la ... I hope he is serious and it's not lip service. I can see why he would say that, it is a team on the rise and in a great hockey market, they have a franchise goalie, a Norris D-man (Petry will be behind PK in the pecking order) and an almost 40 goal guy up front. With PK on the team, Petry is not the go to guy on D, he can make his millions and not really be bothered imo. The media will always go to PK, Patches and Gallagher. I don't recall seeing the media question Petry very much.
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Post by frozone on May 19, 2015 15:36:37 GMT -5
Imo, this whole center vs wing this is a bit overblown. I say that because I truly believe he will blossom no matter what - the only question being "in what position?"
I always had my doubts that he would become an NHL centerman. He was originally a winger, and then was converted to center in Sarnia for part of his rookie year (I believe he spent most of that year at C, but not all of it). The following year was his injury year and draft eligible year. The year after that, the lockout year, he was moved back to the wing by Coach Beaulieu, a critical point in Gal's development imo. I think he even played wing at the WJC, iirc. And now, ever since the lockout ended, he has played almost exclusively on the wing.
Now, considering Gal has spent the vast majority of his playing career on the wing, it becomes more and more unlikely that he will ever become a C with every passing game. Although Gal never said it, I do think that he is more comfortable on the wing now. I think it was very important that he play as much C as possible in junior to get as much experience as possible before hitting the show. Things probably would have been different had he not been converted back to the wing in Sarnia.
Not a big deal though, because I think he can be just as productive on the wing. He just needs more leash. Imagine if he was given the same leash that Pacioretty has... Pacioretty is allowed to float, wait for openings, carry the puck in if he wants, and generally let his linemates do the hard work. In contrast, Gal works his butt off, skates down pucks... he has to work surprisingly hard for his goals. He grinds... It's great to see his willingness, but it's a waste of his talent to play like a 3rd/4th liner. He will gradually earn more leash, though. It's annoying, because anyone who watched him this pre-season knew that he was ready to break out THIS year, and at center to boot.
But really, I think that he can score just as much on the wing as he can at center. Just give him more leash, MT. And hopefully the media will be patient and stay off his back.
And for the record, I agree with Dis. I don't think he played poorly in the playoffs, effort-wise at least. He didn't produce enough, but I'm not worried about his development.
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Post by HFTO on May 19, 2015 15:58:52 GMT -5
Galchenyuk needs to be encouraged to be more selfish ...too often IMO he is always looking to make a play and dishes off or turn back,rather than taking the puck to the net. We see flashes but he needs to shoot more more more. I hope MB addresses how they play no doubt it produces results but I am not sure this team has the horses to play that style for 82 plus another potential 20 odd playoff games...it's just too demanding.to me there has to be some middle ground that will let more of the skill we think this team has to come out....they won't win playing 1 goal games as each if these years passes they will hit a wall. one thing we know even a average PP would help immensely.
HFTO
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Post by CentreHice on May 19, 2015 16:26:37 GMT -5
Imo, this whole center vs wing this is a bit overblown. I say that because I truly believe he will blossom no matter what - the only question being "in what position?" I always had my doubts that he would become an NHL centerman. He was originally a winger, and then was converted to center in Sarnia for part of his rookie year (I believe he spent most of that year at C, but not all of it). The following year was his injury year and draft eligible year. The year after that, the lockout year, he was moved back to the wing by Coach Beaulieu, a critical point in Gal's development imo. I think he even played wing at the WJC, iirc. And now, ever since the lockout ended, he has played almost exclusively on the wing. If Bergevin had said on Draft Day that Galchenyuk excelled at both centre and wing, and that they'd see where he'd fit best on the Habs, then the issue would be overblown. But what else are the media and fan base supposed to take from the conversation below? The expectation that he would assume the top centre position was expressed by our brain trust. Zero mention of being a winger. ===================================== DUTHIE: Everyone's talked about your need for a big centre. Is this the guy you can build around? BERGEVIN: Definitely! That's the guy we're focussing from Day 1 since I took over, and we were glad that he was there at 3. DUTHIE: So what is it about him that separated him from the rest of the field, in your eyes? BERGEVIN: I mean, he's a big centre, and they don't come by (very often)…and then when you do, you either draft them…..you can't really trade for one because, for one, they're not available….so…. down the middle for me, has to be a strength…and he fits the bill!======================================== If Galchenyuk goes on to perform as a top-flight power winger....I'm all for it. Bergevin didn't completely shut the "Chucky-at-centre" door at last week's presser...but added that it didn't look good at the moment.
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Post by Disp on May 19, 2015 17:23:48 GMT -5
Believe it or not, stats are not exactly hard evidence of individual play either. Let's take a journey to "magical stats land". In this universe, I can build a team with nothing but Parenteau's on the forward lines. Let's say that since he averages about 20 goals per 82 games, that means I'll get 240 goals from my forwards. Man I wish I could transport my Parenteau team to reality. I'd win the cup for sure. Kind of silly, but it if you ignore actual play in favour of stats, it's probably not going to work out well. You are right ... silly me ... why would we ever want a player that is producing at a point a game. The main thing we need is for him to be comfortable. So in Magical Stats Land a team of Sidney Crosbys would score 600 goals, 1800 points, that's how it works now is it? Considering there is only 60 mins to a game ... Your math is wrong, but you're not getting the point anyway..... I get where you're coming from though. You truly think we're holding back an 82 point 20 minute a game center. I mean it must be that. Expecting anything less from Galch would be purely based on anecdotal evidence. The stats don't lie.
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