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Post by CentreHice on Oct 27, 2015 8:47:28 GMT -5
Watched the Leafs-Coyotes last night.
TSN couldn't lose. It was Max & Tie Domi night.
James Duthie, pre-game, said that Max was the favourite player at the World Jr.s, certainly in THIS building (the ACC)….being the son of a Leaf icon….blah blah blah….
Is Leaf Nation so bereft of heroes that Domi is counted as an "icon"? He was a cement-headed thug who was there ONLY to use his fists and cheap shot skills (see Scott Niedermayer) to perpetrate unprovoked violence. IMO, players like him exemplify what is/was wrong with the NHL. There doesn't seem to be too many of them anymore. Add in diving and whining…and there's your "icon". He wasn't an enforcer. Enforcers are there to take care of guys like him.
Max clearly has the skills to be a quality NHLer…i.e. the type of player his dad would've taken runs at.
What other word could Duthie and Leaf Nation use? "Popular"…that's about it. 1020 games. 104G, 141A. 3515 PIM (3rd highest all-time).
Chris Cuthbert, albeit briefly, was the only one last night who noted the canyon-wide disparity between father and son skill sets.
[/Hockey For Domis]
p.s. Leafs lost in regulation again (1-5-2). 4-3 final. Max scored a PP goal.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 27, 2015 12:34:27 GMT -5
One guy on Twitter (can't recall who) tweets a scorecard each time Max scores:
Career NHL goals
Tie Domi 104
Max Domi 4
I give Max 4 seasons, maybe even 3 before he passes his father. Max is a very talented player. I never did understand why he was not invited to the WJC team the year after he was drafted. When he showed up the following year, he and Sam Reinhart dominated the tournament. That was a very strong draft year of his and one could justify pretty well all the guys picked ahead of him. That may change when we look back 4 years from now.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 30, 2015 19:09:53 GMT -5
... I still remember that conference run a few years back ... Halak took out the Penguins and the Capitals ... I remember Bob Cole calling, "... what's going on in Pittsburgh ..." Penguins are very good right now ... lots of expectations and little delivery ...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2015 19:13:21 GMT -5
Man, does the Leafs/Penguins game suck, or what ... can't sit through this ... just a terrible game ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2015 19:20:07 GMT -5
Man, does the Leafs/Penguins game suck, or what ... can't sit through this ... just a terrible game ... Cheers. Yep...worthy of Hallowe'en night....ghastly. Leafs kill a 5:00 boarding call to Clune.... Then they get a PP....and give up a shortie. Hilarious! 2-0 Pens. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2015 20:13:44 GMT -5
4-0 Pens with about 15:00 to go.
Leafs' fans would usually be booing and wearing bags on their heads by now.
I know Babcock has the reputation to truly lower the expectations of Leaf Nation....but can it last all year?
I thought he was the best coach in the league....
Leafs are going to be 1-7-2 after tonight. Dead last with the Jackets and Ducks. Dead last in PP%. 27th in PK%.
Yet, the media say nothing....including Cherry....
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Hughson just said, "Mike Babcock is still the brightest star on that bench...."
Wow!
Leaf Nation should remember Babcock's playoff record the past 6 years with a much better Detroit team than the Leafs are going to have for several years yet.
2009-10. Lost in Rnd. 2
2010-11. Lost in Rnd. 2
2011-12. Lost in Rnd. 1
2012-13. Lost in Rnd. 2
2013-14. Lost in Rnd. 1
2014-15. Lost in Rnd. 1
It might also be remembered that Babcock inherited a very strong Detroit lineup when he arrived in 2005. And when Lidstrom retired, there was a noticeable difference.
Having him behind the bench doesn't guarantee anything. Toronto might think they're Canada's Team...but they're not Team Canada.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2015 20:19:45 GMT -5
Now 4-0 Penguins ... going between that and Bill Maher ... the Leafs getting blown out and Sydney Crosby is still not scoring ... the Leafs will lose their second game in as many nights ... that's the position we were in last weekend against Toronto ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2015 20:31:20 GMT -5
You guys are masochists lol. I'm rewatching The Newsroom because it's the best ensemble cast show ever. Period.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2015 20:42:18 GMT -5
Boston making their move and defeating Tampa 3-1 ... the Bruins are getting it together and Boston has interest in hockey again ... they're playing well and these half-assed efforts, of late, will cost us ... Winnipeg taking out a tired Columbus team who just finished losing the Washington the night before ... the Leafs are shutout at home ... don't mind that at all ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2015 20:45:57 GMT -5
... the Leafs are shutout at home ... don't mind that at all ... Cheers. With that in mind.....how does next year's entry draft crop look? Good enough for the Leafs to have a glint of hope to pick up a true difference-maker? |
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2015 21:14:11 GMT -5
Austin Matthews out of Arizona. Pretty sure he's the consensus top prospect atm.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2015 22:13:54 GMT -5
Thanks, blny.
Jonas Siegel tweeted: Mike Babcock puts himself in front of Leafs latest loss: "The buck stops here. I'm responsible. And I'll get it looked after."
Only 10 games in, and he's playing Superman. LOL…what happened to having patience? I thought he and Shanahan made it clear it would take a lot of time. Ego can't take it, perhaps? Not even $8 million can stifle the ego for Year 1, I guess.
Bernier is 1-13-2 in his last 16 games.
Leafs have only 12 wins in their last 61 games.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2015 22:28:05 GMT -5
I never thought the Leafs would be this bad ... okay, they play us well, but they really are competing for the top pick next year ... Boston, Florida, Ottawa, Tampa all at 12 pts and Detroit at 11 pts ... I suspect that might be more of a train wreck as the season progresses and staying clear of it would be nice ... easier said than done ... just keep winning ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2015 22:32:38 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the first breath from a Toronto media pundit that suggests the tank is on. There are some decent pieces there. Reilly and Gardiner. Even Dion when he's thinking. I don't think Reimer and Bernier are all that bad either. But when you've been shelled that much that often, it takes a toll on you. Short of inserting Carey Price, I don't see huge gains by upgrading the goalie position. Where they are thin is up front. JVR is likely their best forward right now. Certainly the most talented. 4 years ago you could make the case that he and Pacioretty were virtually level pegging. Not anymore. Max has passed him. He's so far passed him he's in another league. Better and more consistent offensively. Much, much better defensively. More engaged physically - and that's an area of Max's game that could still improve.
After JVR, you've got Kadri. He being the perennial under achiever. Then it's a laundry list of average guys who no one outside of the fan base can attach the name to the face, and some filler. None of them are good defensively.
If I'm their scouting brain trust, that will be the focus. Forget elite free agents. Tank (obviously), hope to be bad enough to ensure a slot that gives you a real shot at landing #1. Then pick a winner. There's enough press out there to suggest that Matthews is on the level of McDavid and Eichel. Size, skill, a center. With Marner last year, perhaps you have your own version of Crosby and Malkin.
Does it stink that they picked the right time to bottom out? Sure. But, only if they actually get the first overall. Auston, with an "o", is an Arizona product. If ever there was a time the NHL might 'fix' the lottery, this would be it. Hometown boy saves franchise. The Coyotes need good press. They need a star. If the league was going to consider stuffing the ballot box to help the Coyotes one last time ... this would be the time.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2015 23:12:34 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the first breath from a Toronto media pundit that suggests the tank is on. There are some decent pieces there. Reilly and Gardiner. Even Dion when he's thinking. I don't think Reimer and Bernier are all that bad either. But when you've been shelled that much that often, it takes a toll on you. Short of inserting Carey Price, I don't see huge gains by upgrading the goalie position. Where they are thin is up front. JVR is likely their best forward right now. Certainly the most talented. 4 years ago you could make the case that he and Pacioretty were virtually level pegging. Not anymore. Max has passed him. He's so far passed him he's in another league. Better and more consistent offensively. Much, much better defensively. More engaged physically - and that's an area of Max's game that could still improve. After JVR, you've got Kadri. He being the perennial under achiever. Then it's a laundry list of average guys who no one outside of the fan base can attach the name to the face, and some filler. None of them are good defensively. If I'm their scouting brain trust, that will be the focus. Forget elite free agents. Tank (obviously), hope to be bad enough to ensure a slot that gives you a real shot at landing #1. Then pick a winner. There's enough press out there to suggest that Matthews is on the level of McDavid and Eichel. Size, skill, a center. With Marner last year, perhaps you have your own version of Crosby and Malkin. Does it stink that they picked the right time to bottom out? Sure. But, only if they actually get the first overall. Auston, with an "o", is an Arizona product. If ever there was a time the NHL might 'fix' the lottery, this would be it. Hometown boy saves franchise. The Coyotes need good press. They need a star. If the league was going to consider stuffing the ballot box to help the Coyotes one last time ... this would be the time. If they get a taker for Dion Phaneuf then they'd be smart to move him ... it wouldn't surprise me if there is relief on both sides ... I find Jonathan Bernier and James Reimer to be good goaltenders, but the Leafs might be better off with Mike Condon ... the Steven-Stamkos-to-Toronto rumours have slowed down just a bit, but the Lightning are trying hard to sign him ... look for that rumour to go into overdrive as the season progresses ... Nazem Kadri is a mystery ... he has 5 points but he's not dominating ... from an outsider looking in ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Nov 1, 2015 10:06:41 GMT -5
When you look at the roster, most of the pieces aren't part of the future. Reilly and Gardiner are likely the only legitimate ones.
If Phaneuf were making $1-2 million less he'd already be gone imo. There are teams looking for D, but he's not necessarily first pair in those scenarios and he's making first pair money.
I think Stamkos to the Leafs is a pipe dream. If he goes willingly into a rebuild he's clearly in it for the cash.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 1, 2015 10:42:47 GMT -5
I think Stamkos to the Leafs is a pipe dream. If he goes willingly into a rebuild he's clearly in it for the cash. a la Babcock….. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 1, 2015 10:50:37 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the first breath from a Toronto media pundit that suggests the tank is on. There are some decent pieces there. Reilly and Gardiner. Even Dion when he's thinking. I don't think Reimer and Bernier are all that bad either. But when you've been shelled that much that often, it takes a toll on you. Short of inserting Carey Price, I don't see huge gains by upgrading the goalie position. Where they are thin is up front. JVR is likely their best forward right now. Certainly the most talented. 4 years ago you could make the case that he and Pacioretty were virtually level pegging. Not anymore. Max has passed him. He's so far passed him he's in another league. Better and more consistent offensively. Much, much better defensively. More engaged physically - and that's an area of Max's game that could still improve. After JVR, you've got Kadri. He being the perennial under achiever. Then it's a laundry list of average guys who no one outside of the fan base can attach the name to the face, and some filler. None of them are good defensively. If I'm their scouting brain trust, that will be the focus. Forget elite free agents. Tank (obviously), hope to be bad enough to ensure a slot that gives you a real shot at landing #1. Then pick a winner. There's enough press out there to suggest that Matthews is on the level of McDavid and Eichel. Size, skill, a center. With Marner last year, perhaps you have your own version of Crosby and Malkin. Does it stink that they picked the right time to bottom out? Sure. But, only if they actually get the first overall. Auston, with an "o", is an Arizona product. If ever there was a time the NHL might 'fix' the lottery, this would be it. Hometown boy saves franchise. The Coyotes need good press. They need a star. If the league was going to consider stuffing the ballot box to help the Coyotes one last time ... this would be the time. I don't think Bernier is ever going to be a reliable starter. I've just seen too many shockingly bad goals over the last few years. Even last night there were two ( the 1st & the 4th) that were stoppable. He seems to lack concentration ( just look at the 1st shot goals) and mental toughness. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 1, 2015 10:51:22 GMT -5
When you look at the roster, most of the pieces aren't part of the future. Reilly and Gardiner are likely the only legitimate ones. If Phaneuf were making $1-2 million less he'd already be gone imo. There are teams looking for D, but he's not necessarily first pair in those scenarios and he's making first pair money. I think Stamkos to the Leafs is a pipe dream. If he goes willingly into a rebuild he's clearly in it for the cash. Agree re: Stamkos. Leaf fans were dreaming the same dream during Subban's contract talks. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 1, 2015 15:07:39 GMT -5
Austin Matthews out of Arizona. Pretty sure he's the consensus top prospect atm. I don't expect him to move out of that position. The kid is tearing it up over in the Swiss men's league to boot. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 1, 2015 17:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Nov 2, 2015 20:51:20 GMT -5
Stone does a great job trying to sell that as accidental contact.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 2, 2015 21:21:38 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the first breath from a Toronto media pundit that suggests the tank is on. There are some decent pieces there. Reilly and Gardiner. Even Dion when he's thinking. I don't think Reimer and Bernier are all that bad either. But when you've been shelled that much that often, it takes a toll on you. Short of inserting Carey Price, I don't see huge gains by upgrading the goalie position. Where they are thin is up front. JVR is likely their best forward right now. Certainly the most talented. 4 years ago you could make the case that he and Pacioretty were virtually level pegging. Not anymore. Max has passed him. He's so far passed him he's in another league. Better and more consistent offensively. Much, much better defensively. More engaged physically - and that's an area of Max's game that could still improve. After JVR, you've got Kadri. He being the perennial under achiever. Then it's a laundry list of average guys who no one outside of the fan base can attach the name to the face, and some filler. None of them are good defensively. If I'm their scouting brain trust, that will be the focus. Forget elite free agents. Tank (obviously), hope to be bad enough to ensure a slot that gives you a real shot at landing #1. Then pick a winner. There's enough press out there to suggest that Matthews is on the level of McDavid and Eichel. Size, skill, a center. With Marner last year, perhaps you have your own version of Crosby and Malkin. Does it stink that they picked the right time to bottom out? Sure. But, only if they actually get the first overall. Auston, with an "o", is an Arizona product. If ever there was a time the NHL might 'fix' the lottery, this would be it. Hometown boy saves franchise. The Coyotes need good press. They need a star. If the league was going to consider stuffing the ballot box to help the Coyotes one last time ... this would be the time. I don't think Bernier is ever going to be a reliable starter. I've just seen too many shockingly bad goals over the last few years. Even last night there were two ( the 1st & the 4th) that were stoppable. He seems to lack concentration ( just look at the 1st shot goals) and mental toughness. The Leafs will have to either bring in an elite goaltender, or they'll have to draft one and be patient ... they won't go anywhere without goaltending ... saw Bernier let in Dallas' goal and the Leafs seemed to deflate a bit (not again, kind of thing) ... they're leading right now and playing a strong team game ... giving Dallas a good run, anyway ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 2, 2015 22:26:35 GMT -5
Reimer was in net tonight, Dis. And he'll probably remain until he sucks again….which he will.
I watched the first two periods….and the Stars simply took the Leafs too lightly. But I'm happy about that. Leafs cool them off a bit…
Ruff was livid after JVR held a Stars' dman's stick on a Leafs' PP…right in front of their bench….allowing Lupul to score the 3-1 goal before the dman could get back.
Ruff hasn't changed…he lets the refs know…loudly.
Stars got over 40 shots, I see….but nothing too dangerous in the first 40 minutes. Can't speak for the third.
Reimer will be the TOast of the TOwn again…..
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Post by seventeen on Nov 2, 2015 23:23:40 GMT -5
I'm pleased. I don't want them getting too high a draft choice.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 4, 2015 19:49:34 GMT -5
McDavid out 4-6 weeks, maybe months, with a broken clavicle. Brutal collision into the boards vs. the Flyers. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 5, 2015 13:24:03 GMT -5
I don't wish bad things on anyone......but I've grown to actively root against the Oilers. Smugly collecting #1 draft picks and proceeding to suck even worse so they can collect another one. How many #1 overall picks do you want, Edmonton, in the span of 5 years? Three? Is that enough? How about a couple more? Will that keep you from sucking rocks? Is there anything else we can do for you? You want fries with those #1 picks?
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Post by seventeen on Nov 5, 2015 14:39:00 GMT -5
You may want to rethink that feeling. Lots of #1 picks, but no generational possibilities until this past year. Also, all those guys are maturing and now have a pretty darn good coach to guide them. I think they have a shot at a playoff spot, even with the injury to McDavid. Nurse looked pretty good to me in a couple of games that I saw him and Eberle is coming back from injury. Hall looks like he's got his game together and Talbot will be an adequate goalie. I have to say that I think we did them a huge favour. If not for letting them beat us, I don't think they'd have the same confidence level they do now. Carey's injury played a role in that game as did the lackadaisical approach we had after going up 3-0. Anyway, you may face some angst soon if you cheer too hard against them.  |
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Post by jkr on Nov 5, 2015 16:51:06 GMT -5
I'm with BH on this one. They still have a losing record and Talbot has struggled. I could see them missing the playoffs again & snagging another decent pick.
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