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Post by CentreHice on Feb 4, 2016 7:17:03 GMT -5
I watched the replay again. I'm no Dr. Recchi, and I'm not in Wideman's head to see if his vision was blurred.. But....
He wasn't wobbly on his skates. He didn't struggle to find the bench.
He doesn't want to lose half a million dollars. IMO.
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Post by jkr on Feb 4, 2016 9:05:57 GMT -5
While looking at your new avatar I remembered that The Walking Dead season is about to resume. Hey - you changed the avatar on me again.  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 4, 2016 9:34:43 GMT -5
If he was concussed, and his vision blurry, he could have thought it was a player on the opposition. Maybe. I've had 2 concussions. The first was a grade two (blow to back of head). The second was likely a grade one (blow to front of head), but it was one I did see stars on. Things went black very briefly with white points of light. That was a very short instance though; just a couple of seconds. Neither concussion caused me blurred vision. Concussions to different parts of the head cause different symptoms and affect each person differently. I don't recall whether Dennis was removed for concussion protocol and tested. It's impossible to know, if he in fact had blurred vision, how long it was blurred. It wasn't the whole game because he finished the game. If he was removed for protocol, and a vision test was done, they could have determined affected vision. He'd have been removed from the game though. If he wasn't removed for protocol, the Flames should be fined for NOT administering the tests to a player claiming to have been suffering symptoms. From everything I've read, Wideman refused medical attention. Crazy thing is, he wasn't even given a penalty for it in the game ... |
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Post by blny on Feb 4, 2016 9:38:48 GMT -5
If he was concussed, and his vision blurry, he could have thought it was a player on the opposition. Maybe. I've had 2 concussions. The first was a grade two (blow to back of head). The second was likely a grade one (blow to front of head), but it was one I did see stars on. Things went black very briefly with white points of light. That was a very short instance though; just a couple of seconds. Neither concussion caused me blurred vision. Concussions to different parts of the head cause different symptoms and affect each person differently. I don't recall whether Dennis was removed for concussion protocol and tested. It's impossible to know, if he in fact had blurred vision, how long it was blurred. It wasn't the whole game because he finished the game. If he was removed for protocol, and a vision test was done, they could have determined affected vision. He'd have been removed from the game though. If he wasn't removed for protocol, the Flames should be fined for NOT administering the tests to a player claiming to have been suffering symptoms. From everything I've read, Wideman refused medical attention. Crazy thing is, he wasn't even given a penalty for it in the game ... He also spoke with the entire officiating crew during the game and apologized. Like I said, if he he's still a Bruin that's a slap on the wrist if anything. |
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Post by franko on Feb 4, 2016 10:25:45 GMT -5
While looking at your new avatar I remembered that The Walking Dead season is about to resume. funny thing, while watching the game last night I was thinking of "dead men walking" |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 4, 2016 13:35:40 GMT -5
The guys behind the bench, you mean? They've been dead for 3 years but haven't fallen over yet.
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Post by franko on Feb 4, 2016 15:26:46 GMT -5
The guys behind the bench, you mean? They've been dead for 3 years but haven't fallen over yet. that would have been "dead men smirking" |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 4, 2016 20:16:34 GMT -5
Two points for McJesus so far in Ottawa, after just one period. Oil lead 3-1.
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Post by blny on Feb 4, 2016 20:59:25 GMT -5
Keep going the way we are and we can land McMathews.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 5, 2016 8:19:37 GMT -5
it kind of reminded me a bit of Dale Hunter going after Pierre Turgeon back in the day, but without the same degree of injury ... now, I don't know what Turgeon may have done to set him off, but Hunter paid for it dearly ... in this case I also think a 20-game suspension for Wideman is worth it ... I watched it several times and I felt Dennis Wideman clearly knew what he was doing ... one of the panelists (TSN/SN?) suggested that maybe Wideman was pissed off with a missed offside earlier in the same play ... be that as it may, there's no place for what he did and it's important that the officals know they're being supported as well ... besides, imagine what it would be like for an official now, had nothing been done to Wideman ...
Cheers.
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Post by madhabber on Feb 5, 2016 10:00:18 GMT -5
I don't believe Wideman missed a shift after this either. So if he was concussed, then what were the Flames doing. The training staff should have told Hartley not to put him on and Hartley should have sent him back to the dressing room. To me the concussion excuse doesn't work. And Wideman lifted his head at the top of the faceoff circle and saw where his bench was at. He saw the linesman coming towards him from at least his own blueline. He did not simply bump into him, he knocked him down hard from behind with a two handed push. Then he didn't apologize until yesterday. Take your punishment and just shut up.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 6, 2016 0:53:11 GMT -5
I've caught snippets of the Anaheim/Arizona game and have checked out how Tinordi is doing. Arizona's down 4-2 and Tinordi is -1. All of Anaheim's goals have been at even strength. Tinordi has just over 17 minutes of ice time so far. Tippett had him out at the tail end of a penalty kill, even after Ekman-Larson had a long break and was well rested. He's looked ok. Won a board battle against Corey Perry and cleared the zone by passing it to a breaking Yote up the middle. By game end, Jarred had played 18:45. That's almost 2nd pairing ice time.
I've also seen him move to join the rush on occasion. Quite honestly, I'm starting to regret that trade already. If Tinordi turns out to be a decent defenseman, I'm going to be even more ticked off with Therrien.
BTW, Bartley was -3 in an IceCaps loss tonight, though Fucale let in 3 goals on 4 shots before being mercifully pulled after 4 minutes. There will be some undeserved minuses there.
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Post by PTH on Feb 6, 2016 2:02:58 GMT -5
I've caught snippets of the Anaheim/Arizona game and have checked out how Tinordi is doing. Arizona's down 4-2 and Tinordi is -1. All of Anaheim's goals have been at even strength. Tinordi has just over 17 minutes of ice time so far. Tippett had him out at the tail end of a penalty kill, even after Ekman-Larson had a long break and was well rested. He's looked ok. Won a board battle against Corey Perry and cleared the zone by passing it to a breaking Yote up the middle. By game end, Jarred had played 18:45. That's almost 2nd pairing ice time. I've also seen him move to join the rush on occasion. Quite honestly, I'm starting to regret that trade already. If Tinordi turns out to be a decent defenseman, I'm going to be even more ticked off with Therrien. Keep in mind that there were essentially no offers for Tinordi, so the rest of the NHL wasn't willing to give up anything of substance for him, so regardless of how he works out his trade value was nil and no one else thought he was going to work out in the long run. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 6, 2016 8:03:55 GMT -5
I've caught snippets of the Anaheim/Arizona game and have checked out how Tinordi is doing. Arizona's down 4-2 and Tinordi is -1. All of Anaheim's goals have been at even strength. Tinordi has just over 17 minutes of ice time so far. Tippett had him out at the tail end of a penalty kill, even after Ekman-Larson had a long break and was well rested. He's looked ok. Won a board battle against Corey Perry and cleared the zone by passing it to a breaking Yote up the middle. By game end, Jarred had played 18:45. That's almost 2nd pairing ice time. I've also seen him move to join the rush on occasion. Quite honestly, I'm starting to regret that trade already. If Tinordi turns out to be a decent defenseman, I'm going to be even more ticked off with Therrien. Keep in mind that there were essentially no offers for Tinordi, so the rest of the NHL wasn't willing to give up anything of substance for him, so regardless of how he works out his trade value was nil and no one else thought he was going to work out in the long run. This deal reminds of a Gauthier trade. Take a NHL player( I know - it's Tinordi) & get nothing that the NHL team can use. Kind of like his Lapierre or O'Byrne deals. I think it does matter if this works out for Phoenix because it will show how much they misjudged this guy. |
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Post by franko on Feb 6, 2016 9:25:51 GMT -5
Quite honestly, I'm starting to regret that trade already. If Tinordi turns out to be a decent defenseman, I'm going to be even more ticked off with Therrien. regretted it from the beginning. and how can you get even more ticked off with Therrien? I'll be ticked off now if he doesn't last the season (as long as he keeps up his "stellar" leadership behind the bench, that is). hey, how about that, I'm cheering MT as the coach of the Habs! |
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Post by franko on Feb 6, 2016 9:28:14 GMT -5
Keep in mind that there were essentially no offers for Tinordi, so the rest of the NHL wasn't willing to give up anything of substance for him, so regardless of how he works out his trade value was nil and no one else thought he was going to work out in the long run. This deal reminds of a Gauthier trade. Take a NHL player( I know - it's Tinordi) & get nothing that the NHL team can use. Kind of like his Lapierre or O'Byrne deals. I think it does matter if this works out for Phoenix because it will show how much they misjudged this guy. this. Tinner could have been a good one if he's been allowed to learn the NHL game -- on the ice that is, not on the X-Box. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 6, 2016 12:37:27 GMT -5
Keep in mind that there were essentially no offers for Tinordi, so the rest of the NHL wasn't willing to give up anything of substance for him, so regardless of how he works out his trade value was nil and no one else thought he was going to work out in the long run. This deal reminds of a Gauthier trade. Take a NHL player( I know - it's Tinordi) & get nothing that the NHL team can use. Kind of like his Lapierre or O'Byrne deals. I think it does matter if this works out for Phoenix because it will show how much they misjudged this guy. Well, Bournival has been an NHLer as well, though I agree about Lapierre. But if no one else believed in Tinordi, I can't blame management too much for not getting much for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tinordi have an O'Byrne type career - maybe a couple of decent seasons, but nothing more. One of those guys that in hindsight you can't help but think was a waste of developmental effort. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 6, 2016 13:09:51 GMT -5
This deal reminds of a Gauthier trade. Take a NHL player( I know - it's Tinordi) & get nothing that the NHL team can use. Kind of like his Lapierre or O'Byrne deals. I think it does matter if this works out for Phoenix because it will show how much they misjudged this guy. Well, Bournival has been an NHLer as well, though I agree about Lapierre. But if no one else believed in Tinordi, I can't blame management too much for not getting much for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tinordi have an O'Byrne type career - maybe a couple of decent seasons, but nothing more. One of those guys that in hindsight you can't help but think was a waste of developmental effort. It's far too early to tell how Tinordi will turn out and I'm not anointing him the second Orr. I am interested in how he's used because it's hard to forgive playing two fading defensemen ahead of a young guy who should be part of your future. I'm not convinced Bartley was the best offer available but that isn't my main concern. It's the devaluation of assets until they're worthless. He was averaging 16 minutes a game until last night when he played 19. That indicates the coach is growing more comfortable with putting him out there. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 6, 2016 20:35:19 GMT -5
Watching Leafs & Senators (4-0) Ottawa in the 2nd. There are a couple of jerks behind the Leafs bench wearing their jerseys & Stamkos masks.  |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 6, 2016 20:52:53 GMT -5
Let them enjoy it. Think how ticked they'll be when he signs with the Habs.
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Post by jkr on Feb 6, 2016 20:57:23 GMT -5
Also watching Pens / Panthers. It is actually a sellout. Don't know if that is because it it the Pens or it is due to Florida's improved play.
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2016 21:42:38 GMT -5
I've caught snippets of the Anaheim/Arizona game and have checked out how Tinordi is doing. Arizona's down 4-2 and Tinordi is -1. All of Anaheim's goals have been at even strength. Tinordi has just over 17 minutes of ice time so far. Tippett had him out at the tail end of a penalty kill, even after Ekman-Larson had a long break and was well rested. He's looked ok. Won a board battle against Corey Perry and cleared the zone by passing it to a breaking Yote up the middle. By game end, Jarred had played 18:45. That's almost 2nd pairing ice time. I've also seen him move to join the rush on occasion. Quite honestly, I'm starting to regret that trade already. If Tinordi turns out to be a decent defenseman, I'm going to be even more ticked off with Therrien. Keep in mind that there were essentially no offers for Tinordi, so the rest of the NHL wasn't willing to give up anything of substance for him, so regardless of how he works out his trade value was nil and no one else thought he was going to work out in the long run. What I constantly keep in mind is that I could see him being dumped in this exact manner two years ago. For me, the writing was on the wall after a game in Chicago that I believe TSN aired. He played pretty well. Certainly wasn't the worst defender out there. Despite that, he didn't get much of a whiff after that game. Despite that, he still had value 2 years ago. Maybe you get a second, or a third. Regardless, it's better than what was the end result. It's a recurring theme. Bottom line is, it doesn't really matter if it's the player or the coaches not willing to play him. If you have a guy on the bubble, $hit or get off the pot. Either give him an extended stretch of games with real minutes, or trade him while he has value. It's like holding onto that old car too long. You know you're going to get rid of it at some point. May as well git rid of it now, in trade, while you might actually get something for it. Montreal, on the other hand, waits until it's got holes in the floor and the motor is shot. No one will give you anything of value for it. Instead, you're taking someone's clunker back. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 6, 2016 22:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Feb 7, 2016 12:01:33 GMT -5
I think those plastic guards that Patrick Roy wore should be mandatory. This incident happened in warm up. He stayed in hospital over night. I can't find a more recent report than that.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 7, 2016 13:09:27 GMT -5
I think he's ok. Tweets I've read say the overnight stay was precautionary. Whew.
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Post by jkr on Feb 8, 2016 21:44:27 GMT -5
Crosby with his 2nd 4 point game this week. Pens win 6 - 2. He has now scored in 7 straight games.
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Post by jkr on Feb 8, 2016 21:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Feb 9, 2016 20:44:48 GMT -5
BTW I heard Dave Hodge say Phaneuf had a list of teams to go to that included Boston & Montreal.
Edit: just headd Babcock say that Ottawa initiated the trade talks.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 9, 2016 21:37:02 GMT -5
... interesting development ...
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Post by jkr on Feb 10, 2016 7:13:20 GMT -5
Kadri showing his true colors last night. After a good hit by Giordano that levels him he goes to the bench, slams the door without noticing a teammate approaching & then does the throat slash. He goes after Giordano again & ends up on his a$$. Tries again a 3rd time & slides into the boards. Sweet to watch.
When asked about it after the game Giordano called it "stupid".
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