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Post by Skilly on Jun 18, 2016 15:54:14 GMT -5
Here is the point that is lost. The United States is the most heavily armed nation in the world, a nation where getting an automatic assault rifle is as easy as buying gum here in Canada. Yet, there is a mass shooting EVERY SINGLE DAY in the United States. 372 mass shootings last year (an attack that resulted in 4 or more deaths/injured) And I'm sure it's in the hundreds in 2016 already. (fact check: there have been 136 so far this year) So if more guns=greater safety, then the US should be the safest place on Earth. And yet it is not, it is one of the most unsafe (if we are talking about democratic free countries). If the US makes gun access harder, way harder, especially automatic types weapons and they have more metal detector searches getting into places, then it would be safer. Would it end it? No. But having others with guns present has no stopped it either. Not by a long shot. One a day. One a day. The vast amount of "mass shootings" are gang/criminal related. Like this.... www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article82044842.htmlAnd this.... www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article80802392.htmlYou're comparing apples to porcupines when comparing Canada and US. We have nothing even remotly comparable to the US inner cities. On our worse day it's everyday in some areas of US. Which of course you are ignoring on your rant about guns. Tell you what, why aren't Greeks shooting each other even if Greece has 22.5 guns per hundred on paper and at least three as much in reality. I can walk into any sports store and buy a gun with nothing more the my police identity card and my wallet. I can sling a gun over my shoulder in broad daylight and nobody gives a damn. In FACT, I have put a gun in a soft case and walked through the center of town from the sports store and not a single kid dropped his ice cream..... In case your wondering, i also had two boxes of 1 ounce slug in a shopping bag. Slugs. Nobody walks away from slugs. Still no dropped ice cream. Why? Gang related or not, they count. We only care when it's not gang related? I'm not sure why you point out that Greece has 22.5 guns per 100 residents. This is also where Small Arms survey puts Greece (the survey does not include the countries military). The US has 88.8 according to the same survey. (I found one site that lists the US at 112.6). Other countries ahead of Greece include the low gun crime countries of Finland, Sweden, Norway and Canada which all have over 30 guns per 100. Unless you are arguing that Greece even with low guns per capita has lots of mass shootings, but you said Greeks aren't shooting each other. And just to confuse you, and me, Newfoundland has the highest registered guns per capita in the country. And funny enough, the last survey the lowest gun crime rate. But trust me, that rate is on the rise. Unfortunately, Oil brought more than money to NL. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 18, 2016 16:46:30 GMT -5
I'd counter by asking, how much more damage would the Parliament Hill shooter done if he had access to automatic weapons ... Cheers. [Black humour] He's a Canadian mass shooter. [/black humour] I'm not so sure that he had pure numbers in his intent. More of making a statement type. I don't think he was worried about numbers, no ... I do think he'd have had more opportunity with an automatic weapon, though ... like, I'll have to be honest here ... I'm okay with automatic weapons in Canada ... if I were still a member of a gun club, I'd own one ... I feel comfortable with them because I've used them most of my military career ... however, while I respect freedom of choice, I think we have a more respectful perception of weapons here in Canada, than in the US ... Donald Trump embraces the 2nd Amendment but he could care less about it ... I suspect he's just targeting the redneck/gun activist vote ... we have the redneck vote in Canada too, though if they want their vote they'd have to lower hydro rates (most rural homes are forced-air electric) ... you don't have to give them more guns ... the alternative is Clinton and it won't matter what Trump says, she'll never get the 2nd Amendment changed and she'll never be able to get the guns off the streets ... Clinton can't be trusted either ... the two of them are so full of it ... there's a distinct lack of choice in the US right now and I feel badly for them ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Jun 18, 2016 17:00:11 GMT -5
I'm okay with automatic weapons in Canada ... if I were still a member of a gun club, I'd own one ... I feel comfortable with them because I've used them most of my military career ... however, while I respect freedom of choice, I think we have a more respectful perception of weapons here in Canada, than in the US I think you've said it all, Dis . . . |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 19, 2016 0:23:45 GMT -5
Gang related or not, they count. We only care when it's not gang related? I'm not sure why you point out that Greece has 22.5 guns per 100 residents. This is also where Small Arms survey puts Greece (the survey does not include the countries military). The US has 88.8 according to the same survey. (I found one site that lists the US at 112.6). Other countries ahead of Greece include the low gun crime countries of Finland, Sweden, Norway and Canada which all have over 30 guns per 100. Unless you are arguing that Greece even with low guns per capita has lots of mass shootings, but you said Greeks aren't shooting each other. And just to confuse you, and me, Newfoundland has the highest registered guns per capita in the country. And funny enough, the last survey the lowest gun crime rate. But trust me, that rate is on the rise. Unfortunately, Oil brought more than money to NL. Very simple point which you are ignoring and twisting. "Mass shootings" in the states is gang/crime related. Trotting out a statistic about "mass shootings" every day and linking it to gun availability is simply a reflexive misuse of a statistic that has everything to do with social economic issues and criminality. There are countries with far lower numbers then Canada or Greece and have far, far higher gun deaths. The common denominator for them is.....social economic and criminality issues. Brazil has 8 guns per hundred thousand, one twelfth of the States and yet twice the death rate. Norway has the highest gun ownership of a Western country after the States and Switzerland and yet has a .1 homicides per hundred thousand. Versus the States 3.43. Thirty four times higher. Gun availability is not the problem. It's the social economic and crime in a given country that is the problem. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 19, 2016 0:34:13 GMT -5
[Black humour] He's a Canadian mass shooter. [/black humour] I'm not so sure that he had pure numbers in his intent. More of making a statement type. I don't think he was worried about numbers, no ... I do think he'd have had more opportunity with an automatic weapon, though ... like, I'll have to be honest here ... I'm okay with automatic weapons in Canada ... if I were still a member of a gun club, I'd own one ... I feel comfortable with them because I've used them most of my military career ... however, while I respect freedom of choice, I think we have a more respectful perception of weapons here in Canada, than in the US ... Donald Trump embraces the 2nd Amendment but he could care less about it ... I suspect he's just targeting the redneck/gun activist vote ... we have the redneck vote in Canada too, though if they want their vote they'd have to lower hydro rates (most rural homes are forced-air electric) ... you don't have to give them more guns ... the alternative is Clinton and it won't matter what Trump says, she'll never get the 2nd Amendment changed and she'll never be able to get the guns off the streets ... Clinton can't be trusted either ... the two of them are so full of it ... there's a distinct lack of choice in the US right now and I feel badly for them ... Cheers. I have no problem with any guns either. Grew up with them in the house and consider them nothing moe then a dangerous tool. In fact, i love to test the ability of the tool and my skill of using it. To me, any time i hear the screaming about the tool causing deaths without looking at the causes, well, i don't think much of the argument. As for American politics....i give up. Over 300 million people and they want to elect one of two clowns in their midst. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 19, 2016 12:52:32 GMT -5
He knows how to make money, I'll give him that ... That's more than debatable, Dis. As has been pointed out by many people, Drumpf started out with a whole whack of money left to him by his father. His dad made it in real estate, and it would be interesting to know how he amassed the fortune. So sonny boy gets left with a huge chunk of money and 'invests it'. If he had any real talent he'd probably be in the top 5 richest people in the world. I don't think he's anywhere near that. So much of Drumpf is a facade. He's a risk taker, which explains the numerous bankruptcies. I don't have enough facts to judge his bankruptcies but I get the feeling they weren't all personal ones, or he'd have little money left and all his 'friends' would have deserted him long ago. I suspect the bankruptices were company ones where he borrowed large amounts of money, had himself a good time and then the business goes bust. His 'investors' end up with less than swampland and he's off to another sales job CONvincing others to invest with him in his latest idea. It's not an uncommon tactic and because he had so much $$ to start with, he's managed to keep looking richer than he probably is. Drumpf is like the guy at the casino who keeps betting on 25 red at the roulette wheel, using someone else's money. He'll lose almost all the time, but all he has to do is win once and he looks like a star. Half the people who declare bankruptcy go on to do it more than once. Because they take high risks. Unfortunately if Drumpf bankrupts the US (metaphorically speaking by say, getting into a war with various countries who annoy him), there won't be a second chance for America. They will simply have to pay the price. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 19, 2016 17:39:43 GMT -5
He knows how to make money, I'll give him that ... That's more than debatable, Dis. As has been pointed out by many people, Drumpf started out with a whole whack of money left to him by his father. His dad made it in real estate, and it would be interesting to know how he amassed the fortune. So sonny boy gets left with a huge chunk of money and 'invests it'. If he had any real talent he'd probably be in the top 5 richest people in the world. I don't think he's anywhere near that. So much of Drumpf is a facade. He's a risk taker, which explains the numerous bankruptcies. I don't have enough facts to judge his bankruptcies but I get the feeling they weren't all personal ones, or he'd have little money left and all his 'friends' would have deserted him long ago. I suspect the bankruptices were company ones where he borrowed large amounts of money, had himself a good time and then the business goes bust. His 'investors' end up with less than swampland and he's off to another sales job CONvincing others to invest with him in his latest idea. It's not an uncommon tactic and because he had so much $$ to start with, he's managed to keep looking richer than he probably is. Drumpf is like the guy at the casino who keeps betting on 25 red at the roulette wheel, using someone else's money. He'll lose almost all the time, but all he has to do is win once and he looks like a star. Half the people who declare bankruptcy go on to do it more than once. Because they take high risks. Unfortunately if Drumpf bankrupts the US (metaphorically speaking by say, getting into a war with various countries who annoy him), there won't be a second chance for America. They will simply have to pay the price. Thanks, 17 ... I looked up Trump's history after I got a reply from PTH ... he's pretty much a fraud ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 9, 2016 9:42:49 GMT -5
... how did it get to this level ...
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Post by Polarice on Oct 21, 2016 12:30:29 GMT -5
All the major polls not linked to TV or print media have Trump ahead by 2 to 3 percent....yikes
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Post by franko on Oct 21, 2016 13:38:06 GMT -5
All the major polls not linked to TV or print media have Trump ahead by 2 to 3 percent....yikes is that "which hamburger do you like" polling? |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 21, 2016 14:09:26 GMT -5
All the major polls not linked to TV or print media have Trump ahead by 2 to 3 percent....yikes is that "which hamburger do you like" polling? lol they mentioned IBDC-TIPP Presidential Election Tracking Poll and Rasmussen's among others. Kinda getting a little scary. |
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Post by Gogie on Oct 21, 2016 14:56:59 GMT -5
"Studies find that political prediction (betting) markets tend to be better at predicting elections than polls. Some reasons:
- Bettors take into account important factors besides polls
- Unlike pundits, bettors put their money where their mouths are
- People involved in the event might trade before news breaks publicly
- The "wisdom of crowds"
Looking at Betfair (the only prediction market in the world that has a lot of trading and is efficient), Clinton's odds of winning this year's Presidential election are 83% compared to 15.9% for Trump. Personally I'm not too worried about a Trump victory and my view is shared by most who are willing to put their money where their mouth is (full disclosure - I am not placing any wagers on the election).
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Post by Cranky on Oct 22, 2016 12:22:21 GMT -5
I suspect we will get a Brexit kind of result. Most polls were against Brexit and yet it wasn't as close.
Either way, it's dumb and dumber.....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 25, 2016 15:27:33 GMT -5
The vast amount of "mass shootings" are gang/criminal related. Like this.... www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article82044842.htmlAnd this.... www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article80802392.htmlYou're comparing apples to porcupines when comparing Canada and US. We have nothing even remotly comparable to the US inner cities. On our worse day it's everyday in some areas of US. Which of course you are ignoring on your rant about guns. Tell you what, why aren't Greeks shooting each other even if Greece has 22.5 guns per hundred on paper and at least three as much in reality. I can walk into any sports store and buy a gun with nothing more the my police identity card and my wallet. I can sling a gun over my shoulder in broad daylight and nobody gives a damn. In FACT, I have put a gun in a soft case and walked through the center of town from the sports store and not a single kid dropped his ice cream..... In case your wondering, i also had two boxes of 1 ounce slug in a shopping bag. Slugs. Nobody walks away from slugs. Still no dropped ice cream. Why? Gang related or not, they count. We only care when it's not gang related? I'm not sure why you point out that Greece has 22.5 guns per 100 residents. This is also where Small Arms survey puts Greece (the survey does not include the countries military). The US has 88.8 according to the same survey. (I found one site that lists the US at 112.6). Other countries ahead of Greece include the low gun crime countries of Finland, Sweden, Norway and Canada which all have over 30 guns per 100. Unless you are arguing that Greece even with low guns per capita has lots of mass shootings, but you said Greeks aren't shooting each other. And just to confuse you, and me, Newfoundland has the highest registered guns per capita in the country. And funny enough, the last survey the lowest gun crime rate. But trust me, that rate is on the rise. Unfortunately, Oil brought more than money to NL. You are absolutely correct. Illinois has the strictest gun laws and the most gun violence of ant state. No criminal would ever use his own legally obtained traceable gun to commit a crime. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol or marijuana or cocaine or heroin. any school kid can get meth or anything officially banned. Canada has respect for police and the rule of law. Missasagua doesn't erupt and burn down Tim Hortons if an RCMP officer shoots a criminal the way Ferguson burned down 7/11 stores. Terrorists use bombs, trucks, airplanes, and fertilizer. They don't depend on guns. Its the people that are different and taking guns away from the law abiding citizens wont make the streets safe. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 25, 2016 18:09:11 GMT -5
Gang related or not, they count. We only care when it's not gang related? I'm not sure why you point out that Greece has 22.5 guns per 100 residents. This is also where Small Arms survey puts Greece (the survey does not include the countries military). The US has 88.8 according to the same survey. (I found one site that lists the US at 112.6). Other countries ahead of Greece include the low gun crime countries of Finland, Sweden, Norway and Canada which all have over 30 guns per 100. Unless you are arguing that Greece even with low guns per capita has lots of mass shootings, but you said Greeks aren't shooting each other. And just to confuse you, and me, Newfoundland has the highest registered guns per capita in the country. And funny enough, the last survey the lowest gun crime rate. But trust me, that rate is on the rise. Unfortunately, Oil brought more than money to NL. You are absolutely correct. Illinois has the strictest gun laws and the most gun violence of ant state. No criminal would ever use his own legally obtained traceable gun to commit a crime. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol or marijuana or cocaine or heroin. any school kid can get meth or anything officially banned. Canada has respect for police and the rule of law. Missasagua doesn't erupt and burn down Tim Hortons if an RCMP officer shoots a criminal the way Ferguson burned down 7/11 stores. Terrorists use bombs, trucks, airplanes, and fertilizer. They don't depend on guns. Its the people that are different and taking guns away from the law abiding citizens wont make the streets safe. Alaska has the most gun violence of any state. Illinois is not even in the top ten in articles I've read. Alaskans also do not need a permit, or a license to purchase a handgun nor is registration required. Admittedly, suicide is driving up the gun violence rates. But if you remove suicides, it still leads the country in violent crime rates. |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 26, 2016 6:22:12 GMT -5
This may put Trump over the top for good!! Pretty moving video by Michael Moore of all people.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 26, 2016 6:51:26 GMT -5
I'm shocked at that speech. Moore is the poster boy for the left.
Along the lines of Moores speech......nothing pisses me off more then the media self righteous, self aggrandizing, self applauding haughtiness of "look at those racist right wing peeons, how DARE THEY". Those are the very same "redneck hicks" who build their cars, drive their goods to the grocery store and get on 100 foot poles to make sure the grid keeps working. They don't know what a grande latte is, but they sure know they want two sugars in their coffee......and they want Trump to blow it up.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 26, 2016 7:26:40 GMT -5
I was shocked when I seen the video as well.
If Trump wins....it's going to be because of the working class votes, they are getting sick and tired of being the ones getting crapped on by the government!!
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 26, 2016 7:43:04 GMT -5
Things haven't changed since the middle ages. The people couldn't take it anymore and revolted against their lords and kings for been pileged and burdened with high taxes. Eventually the same thing will happen here. There is only so much the working class can take before there is a revolt against their government. When you are taxed more than what you take home and then taxed again on the goods that you purchase, the play you live at, what can you expect from the people? Politicians should have the purse strings so tight and have to beg the people to spend money on things. With all the corruption out there, it's like giving candy to a baby.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 26, 2016 8:12:22 GMT -5
Things haven't changed since the middle ages. The people couldn't take it anymore and revolted against their lords and kings for been pileged and burdened with high taxes. Eventually the same thing will happen here. There is only so much the working class can take before there is a revolt against their government. When you are taxed more than what you take home and then taxed again on the goods that you purchase, the play you live at, what can you expect from the people? Politicians should have the purse strings so tight and have to beg the people to spend money on things. With all the corruption out there, it's like giving candy to a baby. I was in Paris last week and toured the incredible palace in Versailles. It gave new meaning to the phrase, "the French are revolting". The rulers are acting like a monarchy supported by the press instead of the church. Faced with the beauty of Paris, the monuments, statues and buildings and thinking about the starving peasants taxed to support the corrupt system. |
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Post by franko on Oct 26, 2016 9:07:22 GMT -5
eventually I don't have any money left for you to take away from me to bribe me with.
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Post by franko on Oct 26, 2016 9:14:31 GMT -5
If Trump wins....it's going to be because of the working class votes, they are getting sick and tired of being the ones getting crapped on by the government!! yup, it's the rust bucket states that will determine the outcome of the election. if I were Trump that's where I'd spend the next couple of weeks. and I wouldn't utter the word "rigged" again. but I would say "elites" over and over again. and if I were Clinton that's where I'd spend the next couple of weeks. and I would point to bankruptcies and people losing everything because of Trump rather than talking about racist/misogynistic tendencies/etc -- those are "awe shucks" states that say "boys will be boys". |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 26, 2016 10:59:20 GMT -5
They announced today that Obamacare is going up 20% next year. Talk about timing.  CNN |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 26, 2016 13:15:31 GMT -5
They announced today that Obamacare is going up 20% next year. Talk about timing. CNNBig deal, just because the AFFORDABLE Care Act went up 22%, it's no biggie! Toss in another at another 3 or 4 more points for Trump. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 26, 2016 13:25:00 GMT -5
Things haven't changed since the middle ages. The people couldn't take it anymore and revolted against their lords and kings for been pileged and burdened with high taxes. Eventually the same thing will happen here. There is only so much the working class can take before there is a revolt against their government. When you are taxed more than what you take home and then taxed again on the goods that you purchase, the play you live at, what can you expect from the people? Politicians should have the purse strings so tight and have to beg the people to spend money on things. With all the corruption out there, it's like giving candy to a baby. Have you tried to figure out how much taxes are on a pencils? I can't. From the minute they cut the tree with heavily taxed gas, employee and company taxes, through manufacture, through distribution, through retail and into to your hands, there are literally dozens if not a hundred incremental taxes. If you take ALL the direct and indirect taxes, THEN adding on top borrowing to spend even more (hello provincial and federal Liberals), we are probably up around two thirds to three quarters of our work is taken in taxes. And there is way, way more to come.....because the sky is falling. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 26, 2016 13:35:33 GMT -5
yup, it's the rust bucket states that will determine the outcome of the election. if I were Trump that's where I'd spend the next couple of weeks. and I wouldn't utter the word "rigged" again. but I would say "elites" over and over again. and if I were Clinton that's where I'd spend the next couple of weeks. and I would point to bankruptcies and people losing everything because of Trump rather than talking about racist/misogynistic tendencies/etc -- those are "awe shucks" states that say "boys will be boys". My wife calls me a misogynist every time she washes the dishes......and I'm a bully if I point out who changed our rags beginning.  After the first few times, unless it's serious issue or one lives in the cafe latte twitter outrage world, the victim labels lose their effectiveness. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 26, 2016 16:57:01 GMT -5
This may put Trump over the top for good!! Pretty moving video by Michael Moore of all people. You do realize the second half of that video has been clipped and is missing ....which puts his satire into context If not, here it is ,... " [Voting for Trump will feel good] for a day. Maybe a week. Possibly a month. And then. Like the Brits, who wanted to send a message, so they voted to leave Europe only to find out that if you vote to leave Europe you, actually have to leave Europe.
And now they regret it. All the Ohioans, Pennsylvanians, Michiganders and Wisconsinites of Middle England, right, they all voted to leave and now they regret it.
And over 4 million of them signed a petition to have a do-over, they want another election, but It's not going to happen. Because you used the ballot as an anger management tool. And now you're ExtraLOVEed. And the rest of Europe. They're like, Bye Felicia.
So when the rightfully angry people of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin find out after a few months in office that President Trump wasn't going to do a damn thing for them, it will be too late to do anything about it.
But I get it. You wanted to send a message. You had righteous anger. And justifiable anger. Well, message sent.
Goodnight America. You've just elected the last president of the United States. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 26, 2016 17:36:14 GMT -5
Days after right winger Milo Yiannpoulos posted the edited clip above on Facebook Michael Moore stated
"No. No. First of all, I make it very clear: I wrote a chapter in my very first book 20 years ago [1996's Downsize This!] called "My Forbidden Love for Hillary." There's nothing to come around on. I was for Hillary before Hillary was for Hillary. I didn't go to convert Trump people. I did not want the racists or the crazies in there or we would have never gotten the show done. But we went to union halls and guys that I grew up with — people who normally vote Democrat who are thinking of voting for Trump. That is a huge chunk of the population, especially where I'm from. So I wasn't there so much to convert them away. I don't think a lot of them necessarily decided for sure that they were going to vote for him. But I want them to think about the damage they could do by being a legal terrorist on November 8th."
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Post by Cranky on Oct 28, 2016 8:46:18 GMT -5
I don't like Trump at all. He's damaging the Republicans and crushing a sure victory if it was Rubio or Romney.
But....
A month before the vote and a dozen woman "come forth" with accusations? Where were they last year and the year before? Why weren't they suing him and singing his evil ways before? Why now, just before the election?
Nothing suspicious there at all.....nope....
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Post by Cranky on Oct 28, 2016 9:02:20 GMT -5
And to add feul to the fire.... Top Democrats steamed that party letting Rubio skate Bill Clinton, Harry Reid and donors believe the national party should be doing a lot more to take out the GOP golden boy But Reid and other Democrats believe that defeating Rubio would be the ultimate Election Day trophy for Democrats, given his national stature and the reelection threat he could post to a potential President Hillary Clinton in 2020 Read more: www.politico.com/story/2016/10/democrats-marco-rubio-florida-senate-230298#ixzz4OO5iETfQ A "trophy"? Like a deer head hanging on the wall? So let me get this straight. The party that claims to be the voice of minorities, particularly Latinos and inclusive, wants to smear, attack and "take out" a Latino just in case he is a threat to a privlidged white.....in four years. American politics are nothing more then pure, dirty self interest and blatant power mongering from BOTH sides of the isle. The best thing to ever happen would be for both sided to magically evaporate and start over again. And it wouldn't be a bad idea if that magic evaporation started with the current two dumpsters finds running for President. |
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