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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 7:57:04 GMT -5
Good find franko. Hard to believe we'd have Kerry Fraser agreeing with us!
Regarding seeding ... I think the only way to avoid it would be to go to two conferences. No divisions. Top 8 from each get in. If that happened this year, first round match ups would be:
Caps vs Wings
Pens vs Flyers
Panthers vs Lightning
Rangers vs Islanders
Stars vs Wild
Blues vs Predators
Hawks vs Sharks
Ducks vs Kings
All left side teams have home ice. Match ups change a little. You're still losing one of the Ducks or Kings in the first. The all Florida first round would be interesting.
Short of going 1-16, I don't think you eliminate it and even then great teams that maybe have an average season are going to get ousted in round one. The price you pay for not being the top seed.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 15, 2016 10:43:21 GMT -5
I know many don't like expansion but the ideal amount of team would be 32. That way you have four divisions of eight and hopefully eliminate the crossover. If the NHL wants to make more money they could have teams 4 vs 5 in the division have a 1 game play in, where team 4 has home ice advantage.
I still like the idea of winning your divison, conference and then the cup.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 15, 2016 13:07:24 GMT -5
Regarding seeding ... I think the only way to avoid it would be to go to two conferences. No divisions. Top 8 from each get in. If that happened this year, first round match ups would be: Caps vs Wings Pens vs Flyers Panthers vs Lightning Rangers vs Islanders Stars vs Wild Blues vs Predators Hawks vs Sharks Ducks vs Kings Those matchups have some natural rivalries to them...Pens/Flyers, Panthers/Lightning, Rangers/Islanders, Ducks/Kings. That could be just coincidence, though. |
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 18:54:15 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good stream of CBC/Rogers coverage? All I can find is the American stuff. CSN is pitiful.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 15, 2016 19:39:21 GMT -5
Hedman's stick get up and hits Datsyuk in the mouth. Nothing from the ref. Datsyuk goes back at Hedman and gets a roughing penalty. He made sure to show the ref his face....then he went off to the dressing room.....the trainer then came out on the ice....to pick up Datsyuk's tooth.
Next shift Abdelkader smokes Palat which was definitely a penalty....but no call.
These refs are the BEST they have....
These two teams met last year in a 7-game series....no doubt some hate going on.....
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 20:22:23 GMT -5
I watched some of the second period of the Wings game before moving to the Hawks. Abdelkader was definitely hunting. He had a monster hit in the second on Namestnikov. Got his team going a bit, and they tied it.
While I haven't liked what I've seen from Bishop, there are enough goals in the Bolts lineup to overcome it against the Wings. Ben struggled all of game one to be square to the shooter. I don't care how big you are, if you're not square it's a problem. The wings just don't have any natural offense anymore. They've kept it close on grit and experience, but I don't like their chances long term if some guys don't step up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 20:40:58 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good stream of CBC/Rogers coverage? All I can find is the American stuff. CSN is pitiful. Same here. CBC used to stream their games on their website but they haven't done that all year, I don't think. |
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 20:48:38 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good stream of CBC/Rogers coverage? All I can find is the American stuff. CSN is pitiful. Same here. CBC used to stream their games on their website but they haven't done that all year, I don't think. Some chatter about having to get the 'app', likely at a particular cost. I mean, it's Rogers after all. Even if people are watching online and seeing the ads you got revenue from, that's not enough. |
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2016 20:58:07 GMT -5
Same here. CBC used to stream their games on their website but they haven't done that all year, I don't think. Some chatter about having to get the 'app', likely at a particular cost. I mean, it's Rogers after all. Even if people are watching online and seeing the ads you got revenue from, that's not enough. NHL policy. NHL ultimately owns the rights. Rogers has purchased the stream from the NHL. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 15, 2016 21:06:03 GMT -5
Red Wings showing frustration....including Brad Richards, who touched it all off with a slash, resulting in a pile-up and at least two 2 fights.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 15, 2016 21:22:30 GMT -5
Without a doubt, either the worst officiating or the most manipulative officiating in pro sports. Horrible call of embellishment on Fabbri for getting cross checked FROM BEHIND.
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 21:34:25 GMT -5
Without a doubt, either the worst officiating or the most manipulative officiating in pro sports. Horrible call of embellishment on Fabbri for getting cross checked FROM BEHIND. Especially when the 4 guys that retaliated hit Ladd with more intent and got nothing ... |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 15, 2016 21:36:16 GMT -5
New York takes away a Blues goal on an inconclusive replay. Chicago a favourite of the NHL. Can't have them lose in the 1st round.
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 21:36:56 GMT -5
Chicago dodges a big bullet on what looked like a good goal to me. Hawks coaching staff challenged the goal using the offside review rule. After a lengthy review, the Blues forward was deemed offside. The CSN feed I'm watching showed an ice level camera from the far side (back side of the player). His back foot was off the ice, to my eye, at the time the puck crossed. That's the equivalent of both feet over.
It's been lots of loud booing for the last 4 plus minutes of play.
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 21:37:14 GMT -5
Oh man, Hawks just scored ...
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 15, 2016 21:48:27 GMT -5
I don't know if John Kelly is imitating his father, Dan, or if it's simply heredity.....but his call sure keeps that voice alive....
Empty netter for the Blackhawks....
Series tied.
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 21:59:17 GMT -5
I don't know if John Kelly is imitating his father, Dan, or if it's simply heredity.....but his call sure keeps that voice alive.... Empty netter for the Blackhawks.... Series tied. He definitely channels his dad at times, and that isn't a bad thing. I really think that should have been 2-2 down the stretch. To me, both of those reviews should have resulted in good goals. Blues are po'd. It will be interesting to see how this affects their composure going forward. Hawks ooze composure, although Kane better amp it up. He's playing the perimeter dangle game and has been to loose with the puck. |
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Post by blny on Apr 15, 2016 22:30:52 GMT -5
First HNIC feed I've found where they're doing the broad cast ... Anaheim v Nashville. 1-1 nearing end of first. Interesting story line is that last year the Ducks PP was 28th. This year it was first. The difference? Boudreau was comfortable and confident enough to fire Kurt Sauer and replace him with Paul McLean.
That shows that even with the likes of Perry and Getzlaf you can have an ineffective power play. It also shows a head coach willing to hire a guy that could replace him if he falters. It also shows that a guy who was an offensive threat in the NHL knows a thing or two about creating offense.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2016 8:40:19 GMT -5
... didn't see the game ...
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 16, 2016 9:16:59 GMT -5
Blunden took a pretty good beating there from Abdelkader. In true Hab punching bag form.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 9:58:44 GMT -5
If Hitchcock isn't fined for his post-game comments, then that's some fine line he was riding.
He basically asserted that Chicago has influence over calls….and that the Blues are going to have to beat not only Chicago but the other elements at play….i.e. officiating on and off the ice.
According to the rules, the Blues goal WAS offside. The back foot was off the ice crossing the blue line.
But Shaw in the crease, whacking for the puck, hitting Elliott's pad….then driving it into the net….well, I've seen less get called goalie interference.
I think Hitch has a legit beef.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2016 10:06:38 GMT -5
I see it completely the other way. It might be to the letter of the law, but imo back foot off the ice means you've broken the line and are onside. You're in the zone. At least, that's the way I think it should be. As for the Shaw goal, the puck was in the crease first. He's allowed to go in after it. His first swipe, he makes contact with the puck on the shaft of his stick. The puck ricochets around and goes to his right. He ends up putting the puck in between the post and the end of Elliott's leg. Any action of stick pushing pad occurs after the puck is already in imo.
AFAIC, it should have been 2-2 at that point.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 10:18:54 GMT -5
HitchcockIf your back foot is off the ice going over the blue line, yes, it means you're fully in the zone….and last night that play occurred before the puck crossed entirely. Off-side. On Shaw's goal….he certainly hits Elliott's right pad on the follow-through of the first swipe…which is what I've seen over-rule a goal before…. It's not a consistent call, that's for sure. Check the replay at around 8:05 of the clip. (I don't know why I care, ha! Integrity of the game, I suppose…)
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2016 10:28:17 GMT -5
Here's a release from the league, reviewing both plays. According to the rules, if the back foot is off the ice, you're offside. Seems completely counter intuitive to me. I get that that is the only call they could make, as it follows the intent of the rule. I just don't think the rule is right. Commentary on the Shaw goal follows my feelings. He swipes the puck in before any contact with the goalie is made, and any contact is aided by the Blues defense. www.nhl.com/news/blackhawks-blues-game-2-video-reviews/c-280333628?tid=280161670 |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 11:07:11 GMT -5
Am I seeing things? The first swipe at the puck certainly hits Elliott's right pad. That's what I'm talking about re: seeing goals called back before.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 15:00:19 GMT -5
"That kid (Greg Pateryn) had a blatant disrespect for (honor and respect)," Cooper said of the hit, according to Erik Erlendsson of The Tampa Tribune. "That was egregious what happened and there is no place for it."
"Hopefully Johnson is going to be okay," he continued. "Those could be career-ending the way that went down."
2G, 4A on 8 Lightning goals so far….
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 15:50:52 GMT -5
Even with cameras along the blue line......on the 2nd Ranger goal, it was determined either that Brassard's back foot was ON the ice...or that it was INCONCLUSIVE...or that he had control of the puck and could put himself offside.
NY can't go down 2-0 in a series, can they?
50 Shades of GreyHawks?
Over the past 14 years, have I ever mentioned that I don't care for Greg Millen's commentary?
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 15:58:14 GMT -5
Rangers now up 3-1....
Penguins on a PP...Hornqvist's stick is cracked in half...no call to go up 5-on-3.
Hilarity.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2016 16:25:36 GMT -5
Re Shaw, yah he swiped at a loose puck. He's allowed to. Contact to me was incidental. I don't see him pitchforking the goalie and trying to drive him into the net. That contact is brief, as he pulls his stick back to track and swipe at it again. Good goal for me.
I think Brassard was onside. From the dasher cam, it looked to be a tie as his back foot and the puck cross the line at the same time. The Rangers have played a heavier game - especially in the second and early third. The Pens don't have the jam. They're floating around. Hits coming into the third were 41 Rangers and 15 Penguins. The Rags upped the intensity and the Pens don't have an answer.
Cooper sure loves to yap, eh?
I'm watching the NBC feed. Doc Emrick doing the play by play. Eddie O and Pierre providing colour commentary.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2016 17:09:44 GMT -5
Pens made it 4-2 part way into 3rd. Got no closer. Both goals came on PP from Kessel - who was actually one of the more engaged Pens players. He made a couple of nice defensive plays.
Lundqvist made some big saves after the Pens pulled Zatkoff with about 3 mins to go. Perhaps half a dozen in close chances for the Pens as they pressured for goals.
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