|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2016 17:55:31 GMT -5
3-2 Albany after 2. Someone called Britton is in goal. How can we expect the coaching to succeed when the goaltending is weak? Ad Infinitum.
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 15, 2016 19:24:34 GMT -5
5-2 final. Terry with both goals. Britton was signed from Brampton to a PTO since Lindgren is up with the Habs.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2016 22:41:51 GMT -5
Another A-1 start for Lefebvre. Any takers on if they'll make the playoffs?
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Oct 16, 2016 20:34:56 GMT -5
Seventeen, I will be lying if I say I have any confidence in Lefebvre. But with the roster in St. John's the playoffs should be viewed as given, no?
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 17, 2016 0:10:02 GMT -5
I don't think it's a bad roster. They lost again 2-1 to Providence and Fucale gave them decent goaltending. That's an 0-3 start. Not encouraging.
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 17, 2016 9:36:16 GMT -5
It is not a bad roster. Their defense is stronger than last year for sure, and the offense can be decent enough. The big problem this weekend was missing starter Lindgren who was backing up Montoya in Montreal. That meant that Fucale had two starts and an ECHL PTO played one game.
The team never had the lead in 180 minutes of hockey. Not a good sign.
They have another three in three on the road next weekend, so this won't get any easier although they should have Lindgren back.
Sylvain LeFail continues his rather bad lack-of-winning trend.
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 17, 2016 9:54:02 GMT -5
Even though Berg brought in some tough guys this off season (Farnham, Racine, Broll, etc.), McC still dropped the gloves this weekend. He could face some supplementary discipline for a scrap at the end of Sunday's tilt, in which he scrapped but also head butted his opponent. He got the match penalty and the play will be reviewed. The boys may be without their top line centre next weekend if he gets any additional games for the head butt.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tankdriver on Oct 17, 2016 10:50:42 GMT -5
Has there been any media push back on the way the minor league team has been coached? If they play like this in Laval next year, I am guessing there will be a lot more pressure to do well. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 17, 2016 11:05:13 GMT -5
Even though Berg brought in some tough guys this off season (Farnham, Racine, Broll, etc.), McC still dropped the gloves this weekend. He could face some supplementary discipline for a scrap at the end of Sunday's tilt, in which he scrapped but also head butted his opponent. He got the match penalty and the play will be reviewed. The boys may be without their top line centre next weekend if he gets any additional games for the head butt. I hope this isn't reminiscent of The Tinordi situation. St. John's has enough goons on the team, they don't need McCarron squaring off every night. |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 17, 2016 11:17:06 GMT -5
Has there been any media push back on the way the minor league team has been coached? If they play like this in Laval next year, I am guessing there will be a lot more pressure to do well. This is getting beyond ridiculous. This is one area where Berg has dug in his heels. He has defended Lefebvre in the past by saying it's not Lefebvre's job to win, it's his job to develop players. That would be a fine excuse if Berg could point to a long list of players on the Habs that Lefebvre has 'developed'. Even more damning is that the guy who's impressing the most this year was brought up in a Lefebvre free zone. So, Berg's excuses don't ring true, which any reasonably logical person could tell you. You don't go 4 years without making the playoffs (or 8 years out of 9 in his total coaching career missing the playoffs with the one year being a first round loss) if you have talent as a coach. You'd have to be incredibly unlucky to do so. His teams haven't been juggernauts, but they haven't been horrible either. One just has to compare the line-up of the 2010/2011 Norfolk Admirals to see a crappy line-up that made the playoffs with Jon Cooper coaching. The following year with some additional talent, Tyler Johnson, Ondrej Palat and Cory Conacher, the Admirals won the Calder Cup. I think its really hard to develop young players in a losing environment. The Oilers are a good example there. Yet we continue to employ a guy highly skilled in producing losing environments at a key position in the organization. That's not good management. It's bad judgment. |
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 17, 2016 13:52:17 GMT -5
I really don't think you can fully develop a hockey player without good playoff or championship experience. If you never see the playoffs, you never get to test your character and ability to up your game when everything is at stake. The games are tougher, and all have meaning. You cannot take shifts or games off without consequences, unlike the last month of a season when your team has no chance of making the playoffs. What kind of resilience do you build up in players who spend a big chunk of the end of a season going through the motions knowing you are essentially mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?
A guy like Berg cannot talk about bringing in guys like Weber and Shaw and wax poetic about how important their Stanley Cup, Olympic, World Championship or WJC titles are to bringing leadership and the knowledge of how to win to the team if he is willing to watch his top minor league prospects miss the playoffs every year. I am sure that a 21 year old Arturri Lehknonen is much better prepared for a long season having just been through a long SHL playoff run that ended up with a championship and saw him beat Alfredson's old team playoff scoring record. He knows what it takes to win and knows how to ramp his game up through a long playoff grind. That can only be good for him compared to the experience that the guys in the AHL are getting under LeFail.
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 17, 2016 13:56:59 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 17, 2016 14:36:34 GMT -5
Perhaps. Do they really think it's all goaltending?
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 18, 2016 15:47:22 GMT -5
The media attention on the AHL farm team will ramp up drastically next season when they move to Laval, but at least one prominent (and I think well respected...I sure respect his writing and coverage) journalist is taking some shots off the bow of the not-so-good-ship IceCaps. First tweet says that after 4 non-playoff seasons, he should not be surprised about a 0-3 start. Second notes that only Pateryn, Carr and Beaulieu are in the lineup and have been developed under LeFail. Third notes that Gally only played 36 games in the AHL, and that Chucky, Lehkonen and Sergachev have skipped directly to the NHL. I am not piling on, just reporting the news!!  |
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 18, 2016 16:40:52 GMT -5
McCarron gets suspended two games for his head butt at the end of the last game.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 18, 2016 17:38:58 GMT -5
The media attention on the AHL farm team will ramp up drastically next season when they move to Laval, but at least one prominent (and I think well respected...I sure respect his writing and coverage) journalist is taking some shots off the bow of the not-so-good-ship IceCaps. First tweet says that after 4 non-playoff seasons, he should not be surprised about a 0-3 start. Second notes that only Pateryn, Carr and Beaulieu are in the lineup and have been developed under LeFail. Third notes that Gally only played 36 games in the AHL, and that Chucky, Lehkonen and Sergachev have skipped directly to the NHL. I am not piling on, just reporting the news!! Has there been any media push back on the way the minor league team has been coached? If they play like this in Laval next year, I am guessing there will be a lot more pressure to do well. This is getting beyond ridiculous. This is one area where Berg has dug in his heels. He has defended Lefebvre in the past by saying it's not Lefebvre's job to win, it's his job to develop players. That would be a fine excuse if Berg could point to a long list of players on the Habs that Lefebvre has 'developed'. Even more damning is that the guy who's impressing the most this year was brought up in a Lefebvre free zone. So, Berg's excuses don't ring true, which any reasonably logical person could tell you. Gee, where have we read that before? Does Mr. Brunet read our board? It's good to see someone else reporting the facts. |
|
|
|
Post by Tankdriver on Oct 19, 2016 7:22:31 GMT -5
Almost tempted to tweet Brunet to see if I can get him to write some more artciles on the failings of the AHL team.
|
|
|
|
Post by frozone on Oct 19, 2016 7:55:50 GMT -5
The media attention on the AHL farm team will ramp up drastically next season when they move to Laval, but at least one prominent (and I think well respected...I sure respect his writing and coverage) journalist is taking some shots off the bow of the not-so-good-ship IceCaps. First tweet says that after 4 non-playoff seasons, he should not be surprised about a 0-3 start. Second notes that only Pateryn, Carr and Beaulieu are in the lineup and have been developed under LeFail. Third notes that Gally only played 36 games in the AHL, and that Chucky, Lehkonen and Sergachev have skipped directly to the NHL. I am not piling on, just reporting the news!! I would even say that De La Rose looked more "ready" as a 19 year old than he does after a few seasons under Sly. Something is really broken down on the farm, and it's a major problem. Timmins has done his job in terms of drafting talent with upside, MB has done his job in terms of filling the holes in the IceCaps lineup, but Sly has really undermined all of that work. If Big Mac, Hudon, JDLR and Scherbak don't improve this year, we won't be able to replace some of our fading elder Habs (Pleks, DD, etc). |
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 19, 2016 9:30:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking about DLR last night too. He jumped straight into the lineup and looked pretty decent, albeit lacking in offensive intuition at the NHL level (that can come with seasoning and experience).
I also wonder if a guy like Tinordi could have thrived in a different environment. He seemed to never quite have the confidence at the pro level and never quite gained MT's trust and confidence either. I wonder if different AHL coaches could have helped, because he was a stud in year two in London under Hunter and looked very solid at the WJC as captain of the US team.
I just don't want to see our prospects fade to black. We have so few top end guys and not a ton of depth in our prospect pool either. We cut loose a ton of drafted guys at the end of this season: Bennett, Dietz, Dumont, Bournival, Ellis. None likely would have amounted to much, but clearly Berg thought he could do better from outside the farm team/organization.
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 21, 2016 10:09:07 GMT -5
The IceCaps start another three in three on the road tonight against Providence (yes, the Baby Bruins). They are keeping up all three goalies for now. Danis joined the team and had his first practice with the team yesterday. Lindgren has been assigned back, but has not seen any game action to date this season as he has enjoyed his larger paycheck getting to sit on the Bell Centre bench watching the performance of the Full Monty. I would think they would want Lindgren to get some starts in this weekend, probably even starting tonight.
McCarron will miss tonight and tomorrow's games due to his two game suspension for his head butt. That messes the top lines up a bit, so we will see what combos the coaching staff come up with to counter his absence. For now it sounds like Hudon, Terry and Friberg could be the top line.
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 21, 2016 11:44:45 GMT -5
I don't know of another site that reports on prospect development as well as this thread right here ...
Chapeau!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 21, 2016 12:59:20 GMT -5
I'm reading elsewhere that Mark Barberio is -8 already this season ... I don't know who he's paired with but the team is off to a 0-3 start and they've only scored 6 goals in 3 games ... 3 of those goals have been scored by Chris Terry, who is also -6 ... Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 21, 2016 23:19:32 GMT -5
IceCaps find the win column tonight. 4-1 against Providence.
Lindgren got his first start of the season and made 50 saves in the win. Yup, FIFTY.
Goals by Andrighetto, Eisenschmid, Hudon and Scherbak.
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 21, 2016 23:25:45 GMT -5
IceCaps find the win column tonight. 4-1 against Providence. Lindgren got his first start of the season and made 50 saves in the win. Yup, FIFTY. Goals by Andrighetto, Eisenschmid, Hudon and Scherbak. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 22, 2016 9:19:22 GMT -5
... highlights from the Providence game ...
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 22, 2016 10:28:59 GMT -5
Providence likes to give the puck away! Nice skate by Scherbak on that goal. Edit: by the way that was Subban in net giving up those softies. Did not want to turn this into a Subban thread, but.... |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 22, 2016 11:33:11 GMT -5
Providence likes to give the puck away! Nice skate by Scherbak on that goal. Edit: by the way that was Subban in net giving up those softies. Did not want to turn this into a Subban thread, but.... I was going to ask if that was Malcolm Subban in nets ... I remember a friend of mine who used to be a Bruins scout told me a few months before the draft that they wanted Subban if he was available ... and he was ... didn't quite pan out the way Boston had hoped ... Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 22, 2016 14:47:53 GMT -5
I guess to be balanced, I should compliment Lefebvre on his development strategy for Lindgren. I wouldn't have thought of asking him to make 50 saves.
|
|
|
|
Post by blny on Oct 22, 2016 15:10:49 GMT -5
Wouldn't want to have a coach in the "A" that threatens the job security of the coach in the "N".
|
|
|
|
Post by PTH on Oct 22, 2016 15:34:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't want to have a coach in the "A" that threatens the job security of the coach in the "N". I wonder if the plan wasn't to try to develop an eventual future coach in the AHL, given how few candidates fit the requirements for our market. If that was the plan, it isn't working; Lefebvre won't even be a candidate to be our next coach unless he seriously turns things around. We should be dumping Lefebvre and getting ourselves the best of the QMJHL or some NHL assistant looking for a way to become a head coach, and give them a chance at getting into head-coach contention in the medium term. |
|
