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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 1:45:04 GMT -5
Yeah you're right make no mistake the true captain is Shea, he just commands respect, Max is just a nice save choice, good looking, says all the right things, a gentleman that won't do anything silly off ice. Behind closed doors Weber will be the guy that the team looks to.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 12, 2016 2:32:22 GMT -5
Yeah you're right make no mistake the true captain is Shea, he just commands respect, Max is just a nice save choice, good looking, says all the right things, a gentleman that won't do anything silly off ice. Behind closed doors Weber will be the guy that the team looks to. I suppose with Shea and Carey, and no PK, Max's job will be easier but still doesn't seem right. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 12, 2016 6:47:13 GMT -5
Yeah you're right make no mistake the true captain is Shea, he just commands respect, Max is just a nice save choice, good looking, says all the right things, a gentleman that won't do anything silly off ice. Behind closed doors Weber will be the guy that the team looks to. does what most good captains do that is, tow the line ... Shea Weber will help with leadership, sure, but IMHO the team's leader is Carey Price ... Weber may have been recognized as one of the game's best leaders but I wouldn't be surprised to see Price at least nominated for the Mark Messier Award at some point in the future ... I suspect he's already one of the more-respected players in the league as it is now ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 12, 2016 13:20:20 GMT -5
It will probably be looked at as a conspiracy theory viewpoint, but I'm still curious as to how the ballots were counted. There were a couple of things that make me wonder if all was totally above board. First, the risk that Subban would be voted captain was, I think, Therrien's worst nightmare. I think he and Berg would go to great lengths to avoid that. Secondly, the method of advising Pacioretty was odd. I don't know what the normal procedure is...letting Max know at practice the next day, calling a press conference etc., but going to his house to deliver the news? That's more of a celebration than a congratulations. It was surely an omen of things to come when they knocked on the wrong door.
Yes, it's conspiracy theory thinking, but seeing how much those two value open communication, I'd give it a 40% chance that Max may not have had the most votes. PK may not have either, but of all the potential applicants, I think Max has the least backbone to go up against MT or Berg. It would make sense he's their most suitable winner.
To provide some balance, while I haven't seen a lot to indicate he's a good leader, I don't think we can blame much of last year on him either. He was brand new to the job and I don't think he'd been a captain in juniour or college before, so inexperience would be an issue for him. He's learning on the job, but that's not his fault. He may grow into it, or not. We don't know what he's been like behind the scenes. He's a caring individual, from what I know of his philanthropic and volunteer work. Great captains do it on the ice, and that's a place Max can show us he's earned the captaincy.
I wonder how much support Therrien gave him last year?
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 12, 2016 23:27:20 GMT -5
It will probably be looked at as a conspiracy theory viewpoint, but I'm still curious as to how the ballots were counted. There were a couple of things that make me wonder if all was totally above board. First, the risk that Subban would be voted captain was, I think, Therrien's worst nightmare. I think he and Berg would go to great lengths to avoid that. Secondly, the method of advising Pacioretty was odd. I don't know what the normal procedure is...letting Max know at practice the next day, calling a press conference etc., but going to his house to deliver the news? That's more of a celebration than a congratulations. It was surely an omen of things to come when they knocked on the wrong door. Yes, it's conspiracy theory thinking, but seeing how much those two value open communication, I'd give it a 40% chance that Max may not have had the most votes. PK may not have either, but of all the potential applicants, I think Max has the least backbone to go up against MT or Berg. It would make sense he's their most suitable winner. To provide some balance, while I haven't seen a lot to indicate he's a good leader, I don't think we can blame much of last year on him either. He was brand new to the job and I don't think he'd been a captain in juniour or college before, so inexperience would be an issue for him. He's learning on the job, but that's not his fault. He may grow into it, or not. We don't know what he's been like behind the scenes. He's a caring individual, from what I know of his philanthropic and volunteer work. Great captains do it on the ice, and that's a place Max can show us he's earned the captaincy. I wonder how much support Therrien gave him last year? If you're correct about Max never being captain of a team, that concerns me. True leaders are captains early and often. I agree that Mt and MB going to the wrong door is an omen both of Max's tenure as captain as well as MT's and MB's organizational skills.  I don't believe MT knows what "support" means. Caring and support was not a common attribute among neanderthals.  |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 12, 2016 23:59:35 GMT -5
I was making an assumption about him not being a captain before. He went from a USHL club to a college team to the Habs farm team so he probably wouldn't have been a captain given his short time on each place.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 17, 2016 19:05:30 GMT -5
Europe stuns the U.S. 3-0.
Wonder who Torts is throwing under the bus now....
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Post by blny on Sept 17, 2016 21:02:13 GMT -5
Europe stuns the U.S. 3-0. Wonder who Torts is throwing under the bus now.... I can't find a decent feed of the CBC feed (Premiere Sports of UK carries CBC/Sportsnet content but the feed and british ads are bad). As a result, I've been watching an ESPN feed. Weeks and someone else are doing play by play. In studio, Hull and Chelios fill the panel. Hull and Chelios weren't kind regarding the US team today. Despite their smugness, they rightly took issue with both players and coaching. The players dogged it, and the coach either didn't see the forwards weren't skating back or ignored it. He left his D pinching and the result was regular turnovers and odd man rushes for Team Europe. Canada is dominating the Czech's 5-0. They're rolling 4 lines. Some penalties, but the Czechs look slow and without much creative offense to speak of. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2016 15:50:51 GMT -5
I will be stunned if they get through this tournament without any major injuries. The speed and intensity in these preliminary games has been way above where I expected it to be. If this gets ramped up, I think people are going to get hurt. Having teammates play against one another for their countries is probably the biggest failing of these best-on-best tournaments ... can you imagine a guy like Zdeno Chara taking David Krejci out of the tournament, then having to go to training camp and face the guys ... I'm not saying there won't be any injuries or hard checks, but I suspect there's a mutual respect thing going, at least between teammates and if so, I think it compromises the integrity of the tournament just a little bit ... I'd like him just to make it through the month of September unscathed ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 19, 2016 17:36:59 GMT -5
I will be stunned if they get through this tournament without any major injuries. The speed and intensity in these preliminary games has been way above where I expected it to be. If this gets ramped up, I think people are going to get hurt. Having teammates play against one another for their countries is probably the biggest failing of these best-on-best tournaments ... can you imagine a guy like Zdeno Chara taking David Krejci out of the tournament, then having to go to training camp and face the guys ... I'm not saying there won't be any injuries or hard checks, but I suspect there's a mutual respect thing going, at least between teammates and if so, I think it compromises the integrity of the tournament just a little bit ... Then again, a bit of respect between opponents isn't a bad thing. I mostly take issue seeing a younger players play against their country, and against many players they'll be joining in 4 years... |
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Post by franko on Sept 19, 2016 17:58:59 GMT -5
I mostly take issue seeing a younger players play against their country, and against many players they'll be joining in 4 years... country-schmuntry . . . this isn't about nationhood, it's about squeezing another dollar out of us suckers. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 19, 2016 19:38:07 GMT -5
No argument there. I've watched maybe half a game, and that was out of curiosity to get a look at Weber.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2016 19:50:14 GMT -5
Having teammates play against one another for their countries is probably the biggest failing of these best-on-best tournaments ... can you imagine a guy like Zdeno Chara taking David Krejci out of the tournament, then having to go to training camp and face the guys ... I'm not saying there won't be any injuries or hard checks, but I suspect there's a mutual respect thing going, at least between teammates and if so, I think it compromises the integrity of the tournament just a little bit ... Then again, a bit of respect between opponents isn't a bad thing. There's not enough of that nowadays if you ask me ... There's that for sure ... I think if Canada/US wanted to they could ice U-23 teams by themselves ... pros and cons to doing that ... more opportunity but a longer tournament ... but I suspect they'll keep that under-23 team ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2016 20:04:45 GMT -5
I will be stunned if they get through this tournament without any major injuries ... I think people are going to get hurt. Just one more thing ... what do you tell your seasons tickets holders when their star goes down playing for his country ... I think of Islander owner, Charles Wang, asking that very question when John Tavares went down is Soshi ... if I'm a stakeholder in the franchise or if I'm the owner, I'm nervous from time to time ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2016 20:58:24 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2016 7:23:21 GMT -5
Anyone know what Kustensov was beaking off about last night ... he chirped the NA bench after scoring a nice goal ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 20, 2016 9:12:05 GMT -5
Anyone know what Kustensov was beaking off about last night ... he chirped the NA bench after scoring a nice goal ... Cheers. Hughson picked up on that and wouldn't let it go. Maybe somebody from Team North America chirped him first. There was some "chatting" going on before he scored. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2016 16:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 20, 2016 19:53:56 GMT -5
Abdelkader on a rush down the middle, ending with deliberately skating backwards into Price...who's okay....but still....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2016 20:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Sept 20, 2016 21:01:41 GMT -5
It was PK's fault, clearly. If Ekblad is out for an extended period that's a huge blow for Florida. Man, I just saw the new HNIC ad with MacLean. What a propoganda-filled barf fest. Hockey is Canadiana, HNIC is hockey history, MacLean is HNIC. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 20, 2016 21:46:05 GMT -5
Man, I just saw the new HNIC ad with MacLean. What a propoganda-filled barf fest. Hockey is Canadiana, HNIC is hockey history, MacLean is HNIC. It's absolute swill. All to promote MacLean being back at the helm...with Cherry, of course. Which means Leafs' fans love it. =========================================================== Oh...buh-bye, Fonzie! The U.S. is gone. Weber went pretty hard at Pacioretty. Didn't see what provoked that. Max's head must be swimming about now. The Therrien story...Torts in his face... |
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2016 21:59:32 GMT -5
If Ekblad is out for an extended period that's a huge blow for Florida. the reason I hate these money-grabbing tournaments. |
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2016 22:01:44 GMT -5
Man, I just saw the new HNIC ad with MacLean. What a propoganda-filled barf fest. Hockey is Canadiana, HNIC is hockey history, MacLean is HNIC. I think some of the people at Rogers are barfing too, but as much as some at the top may hate it, they have to bring in the money, and Cherry does. I remember talking with someone when Rogers took over from CBC/TSN and the unofficial hope seemed to be that Cherry would bow out gracefully after one year. since graceful isn't in his vocabulary . . . |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 20, 2016 23:43:13 GMT -5
Weber went pretty hard at Pacioretty. Didn't see what provoked that. Max's head must be swimming about now. The Therrien story...Torts in his face... He may be the next to go. That paves the way for the captaincy to be gifted to Weber. I feel for Max. Thrust into a position for which he likely wasn't suited, then having to go through a very tough year (with so much support from the brass), then possibly being publicly trashed by his coach and actually being verbally lambasted by his US coach. Ask for a trade, Max.  |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 20, 2016 23:47:57 GMT -5
Phil Kessel can play for me anytime. I love this.
Tyler Johnson left off the team as well. Two guys who can score with the best of them. What were they thinking? That Justin Abdelkader is actually worth $4.25 MM a year? That Brandon Dubinsky and Derek Stepan are actually better than Tyler Johnson? When you let people with skewed judgments call the shots, you get what you deserve.
And Torts as coach? That's positivity.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 21, 2016 1:29:16 GMT -5
See ya later U.S. pretenders. Max was not impressive at all. Only solace is that no one was: Kane included.
Now on to more pressing matters. I sure hope Carey doesn't start tomorrow against the Euros. Back to back highly competitive nights this early in the season is bad enough but he hasn't played in 10 months. Go easy on the guy. Moreover, the game is meaningless as does it matter being in first or second. We still get home game in the semis and as best i can tell the opponent is going to be tough anyway. And why not let Crawford get a start for his commitment and in case we need him later in the tourny. I'm guessing Babs is full steam ahead. He doesn't care if Carey gets hurt. MB should be on the phone telling Babs to ease up.
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Post by blny on Sept 21, 2016 5:31:08 GMT -5
Phil Kessel can play for me anytime. I love this. Tyler Johnson left off the team as well. Two guys who can score with the best of them. What were they thinking? That Justin Abdelkader is actually worth $4.25 MM a year? That Brandon Dubinsky and Derek Stepan are actually better than Tyler Johnson? When you let people with skewed judgments call the shots, you get what you deserve. And Torts as coach? That's positivity. Employ a grinder coach, and that's what you get. Was/is Bylsma part of the NA coaching staff? He's certainly got better credentials. As for Max, he ran a couple of guys last night. It's likely why Weber got in his face. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 21, 2016 6:57:34 GMT -5
Phil Kessel can play for me anytime. I love this. Tyler Johnson left off the team as well. Two guys who can score with the best of them. What were they thinking? That Justin Abdelkader is actually worth $4.25 MM a year? That Brandon Dubinsky and Derek Stepan are actually better than Tyler Johnson? When you let people with skewed judgments call the shots, you get what you deserve. And Torts as coach? That's positivity. The Americans leave skill off their roster & go with a grinding coach. Seems like yesterday's strategy. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 21, 2016 7:44:08 GMT -5
The Americans leave skill off their roster & go with a grinding coach ... ... and how did that work out for them ... Cheers. |
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