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Post by blny on Oct 18, 2016 17:17:42 GMT -5
You think ZZ Top is gone? ZZ Top? A Billy Gibbons reference.  |
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Post by franko on Oct 18, 2016 17:36:43 GMT -5
A Billy Gibbons reference. I reply with a Bill Henderson reference . . . |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 18, 2016 17:48:37 GMT -5
I think Gibbons is staying put. Don't see where he's made egregious errors. One can always second guess, but he'd done all right.
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Post by folatre on Oct 18, 2016 18:33:13 GMT -5
Not a fan, but good win for the Jays today.
Francona is probably the elite manager in the American League, but yes two consecutive years in ALCS is probably strong enough case for Gibbons to stay.
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Post by blny on Oct 18, 2016 19:42:33 GMT -5
I thought bringing him back was akin to the rehire of Therrien. I didn't much care for it. I'm still not convinced he's a good strategist. I didn't like the 6 man rotation move. He's been okay. They're getting into the post season, and I think he's getting just about as much as one can with what's there.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 19, 2016 18:21:41 GMT -5
And that's that ... Cleveland pitchers just carved the plate the whole series ... ref the Blue Jays, I thought there were too many injuries starting with Benoit (avoidable, at that) ... the Lariano injury cost the club huge, me thinks ... too many no-shows starting with Martin, Bautista, I think we've seen the last of Encarnacion ... quite the playoffs for Donaldson ... was good to see Sanchez get a win ... will be interesting to see the lineup next season ... they're probably going to lose a few bats ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 19, 2016 19:48:17 GMT -5
Buck Martinez summed it up well when he said what really hurt the Jays was not being able to take advantage of Bauer having to leave Game 3 so early.
Win Game 3, you're right back in it.
It's not as if Toronto got blown out....their pitching was very respectable. But Cleveland's was exceptional.
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Post by blny on Oct 19, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5
Yep. 12 runs against in 5 games would be considered fantastic and typically give you an excellent shot to win. Encarnacion, Donaldson and Carrera had good to great series. Zeke was a major catalyst. I have no idea why Gibbons put Bautista in the lead off with Zeke hitting so well. Little things like that have always made me scratch my head with Gibby. Martin had a horrible series at the plate. I know his defence is great, but they picked up Dioner Navarro to back him up. Navarro is now slouch, and has a good bat. Would a one game rest for Martin have been bad?
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 19, 2016 23:31:29 GMT -5
I saw on Sportsnet that the Jays had 42 strikeouts in their 4 loses to Cleveland and was hitting 168. It was their bats that cost them the series. I also agree that Martin should of been benched when Estrada was pitching. Had something like 15 strikeouts these playoffs.
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Post by franko on Oct 20, 2016 5:57:14 GMT -5
I have no idea why Gibbons put Bautista in the lead off with Zeke hitting so well. Little things like that have always made me scratch my head with Gibby. Martin had a horrible series at the plate. I know his defence is great, but they picked up Dioner Navarro to back him up. "no idea" . . . a good description of Gibbons at times. "gone gone gone . . . " |
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Post by franko on Oct 20, 2016 5:58:48 GMT -5
I think Gibbons is staying put. Don't see where he's made egregious errors. One can always second guess, but he'd done all right. he's not Shapiro's man, which is why I don't think he's staying put. |
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Post by franko on Oct 20, 2016 6:16:42 GMT -5
I think Gibbons is staying put. Don't see where he's made egregious errors. One can always second guess, but he'd done all right. he's not Shapiro's man, which is why I don't think he's staying put. edit: oops, maybe I should pay attention to the sports news first: John Gibbons will return in 2017: John Gibbons will be back as Blue Jays manager in 2017, GM Ross Atkins and president Mark Shapiro both confirmed less than an hour after Cleveland ousted the Jays . . . |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 20, 2016 6:47:18 GMT -5
he's not Shapiro's man, which is why I don't think he's staying put. edit: oops, maybe I should pay attention to the sports news first: John Gibbons will return in 2017: John Gibbons will be back as Blue Jays manager in 2017, GM Ross Atkins and president Mark Shapiro both confirmed less than an hour after Cleveland ousted the Jays . . .Thought this might be the case ... he's managed them to two conference finals ... heard that Jose Bautista might end up with the Mets ... have liked Terry Francona ever since he was a spray-hitter with the Expos ... wouldn't mind seeing Edwin Encarnacion come back, but I doubt they can afford him ... Brett Cecil is a UFA ... bye ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 20, 2016 6:52:09 GMT -5
I saw on Sportsnet that the Jays had 42 strikeouts in their 4 loses to Cleveland and was hitting 168. It was their bats that cost them the series. I also agree that Martin should of been benched when Estrada was pitching. Had something like 15 strikeouts these playoffs. Did the Jays' lineup also lead the majors in SOs ... not sure ... still impressed with Cleveland's pitching ... Ryan Merritt had the Jays batters completely baffled yesterday ... the Jays were 3-for-25 with runners in scoring position (TSN) in the series ... reliever Andrew Miller was the series MVP, at that ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Oct 20, 2016 7:47:42 GMT -5
Should be no reason not to be able to afford EE. Bautista and Dickey are off the books. that's $26 million off the books right there. Jose can go to the Mets. He'll be hurt half the season and won't hit homers in that pitchers park. EE made $10 million this year. Double his salary and use the rest of that $26 million towards pitching or a bonafide lead off man.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 20, 2016 9:01:58 GMT -5
A Cleveland - Chicago World Series would be really cool.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 20, 2016 10:15:27 GMT -5
I think Gibbons is staying put. Don't see where he's made egregious errors. One can always second guess, but he'd done all right. I don't know if I'd call it egregious, but replacing Michael Saunders with Melvin Upton was a head scratcher for me. Saunders went 2-4 in game 4. Upton batted 0.182 this post season. I'm not a Jays fan, and was pleased as punch to see them lose, but I'm not sure Toronto always fielded their best team |
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 20, 2016 15:41:30 GMT -5
I saw on Sportsnet that the Jays had 42 strikeouts in their 4 loses to Cleveland and was hitting 168. It was their bats that cost them the series. I also agree that Martin should of been benched when Estrada was pitching. Had something like 15 strikeouts these playoffs. Jays are too top heavy with right handed power hitters. Need left handed bat and another get on base guy to manufacture runs |
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