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Post by Polarice on Dec 7, 2016 7:32:06 GMT -5
Wow what a hit.....hope Larsen is alright!!
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2016 7:49:58 GMT -5
It's not a dirty hit imo. Hands and arms were down. Hit him square in the logo. Larsen never once looked for a forechecker. I don't expect the league to do anything as I don't think it qualifies as a blind side hit. Larsen's head is turned, but Hall hits him square in the logo.
I believe it was reported last night that Larsen was alert at the hospital.
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Post by jkr on Dec 7, 2016 9:02:42 GMT -5
I was worried someone was going to step on him. Everyone was rushing to get at Hall & stepping over Larsen's head area. Lucky he didn't get cut.
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Post by frozone on Dec 7, 2016 10:38:50 GMT -5
Hall did nothing wrong. It was a clean and well executed hit. Unfortunately in the NHL you can seriously injure a player with a clean hit.
If I had my way, I would change one thing in the rule book: Similar to a late hit penalty, I would add an early hit penalty. All hitters would have to wait a full second before the hittees gain possession of the puck.
This would mitigate a lot of dangerous hits, especially the "suicide pass hit", and the "vulnerable defenseman retrieving the puck hit". This Larsen injury probably would never have happened.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 7, 2016 11:17:50 GMT -5
I was worried someone was going to step on him. Everyone was rushing to get at Hall & stepping over Larsen's head area. Lucky he didn't get cut. That was my concern as well ... very lucky he wasn't injured further ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2016 15:18:26 GMT -5
I wish the NHL would adopt an NFL type attitude. All contact to the head is a penalty (a 4 min penalty) regardless if it was clean, accidental, etc , and stop excusing hits based on principle point of contact and the like.
As well, all hits where a player is in a vulnerable position should be penalized (a 5 min penalty and ejection at the refs discretion) Larsen had NO chance to protect himself on that hit. He has every right to look down to locate that puck, and Hall did not have to cream him to separate Larsen from the puck.
Clean? Yes, by the rules in place now. Dirty? Absolutely, as there was no need to do it and Hall saw him the entire way
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2016 15:36:42 GMT -5
Ask Cam Newton how consistent the refs are.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 7, 2016 15:59:31 GMT -5
I wish the NHL would adopt an NFL type attitude. All contact to the head is a penalty (a 4 min penalty) regardless if it was clean, accidental, etc , and stop excusing hits based on principle point of contact and the like. As well, all hits where a player is in a vulnerable position should be penalized (a 5 min penalty and ejection at the refs discretion) Larsen had NO chance to protect himself on that hit. He has every right to look down to locate that puck, and Hall did not have to cream him to separate Larsen from the puck. Clean? Yes, by the rules in place now. Dirty? Absolutely, as there was no need to do it and Hall saw him the entire way Everything you need to know about the NHL attitude toward player safety is contained in the TSN headline today - "NHL Suspensions Down Nearly 75%". Do you think we've had fewer hard hits or hits to the head or hits from behind as in prior years? Not me. But suspensions are down. If only Bettman would get a concussion every time a player was hit on their head. Bet this would change. |
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2016 16:21:05 GMT -5
If the league were truly concerned with player safety full shields would be manditory. Enough with the detached retinas and lost teeth. Can't have fights as easy with those though. Regardless of the hypocrisy, I still feel the hit was legal.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2016 17:06:06 GMT -5
If the league were truly concerned with player safety full shields would be manditory. Enough with the detached retinas and lost teeth. Can't have fights as easy with those though. Regardless of the hypocrisy, I still feel the hit was legal. Sure it was legal, under the rules as written. But the rules are dumb. Hall did not try to get the puck, he tried to hurt him, this was a classic intent to injure freebie hit. It doesn't matter it was a clean hit, it is quite obviously a DANGEROUS hit. The guy lying on the ground is all the proof I need |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2016 17:08:44 GMT -5
Ask Cam Newton how consistent the refs are. I never said the refs were perfect in any league ... The point was, that an accidental slap to the head is treated the same as a full blown helmet to helmet. Whereas in the NHL, they continue to blame the victim. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 7, 2016 17:23:58 GMT -5
I saw Larson's head snap back first on the replay I saw...maybe it was barely secondary contact...but the head definitely was hit by Hall's shoulder.
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2016 18:30:57 GMT -5
I saw Larson's head snap back first on the replay I saw...maybe it was barely secondary contact...but the head definitely was hit by Hall's shoulder. So do we start teaching players to check like they're tackling? I've never been one to preach that it's the fault of the victim. In this case however, Larsen is skating towards Hall. He has to know as a defender that he's skating directly towards the oncoming fore check. He should have turned to face and receive the puck. At that point, if Hall hits him it's a check from behind most likely. Hall was coming in for a hit as part of his fore checking responsibility. Larsen should be smart enough to know that a forward is in all likelyhood coming. I don't know if any of his team mates were yelling, "man on" or "head's up", like they should have been. Hall didn't target the head. This wasn't Stevens on Lindros, or Matt Cooke on Marc Savard. Hall skated straight through a shorter player. A hit with enough force can cause whiplash without contact to the head. I'm between 6'3 and 6'4 without skates and 230lbs. Larsen is listed between 6' and 6'1, but I have a hard time believing it. Maybe with his skates on. If I go in to hit him, or say Bouillon who was all of 5'9, I'm thinking center of chest, arms down. I can't help it that I'm taller, and I'm not going to approach a player for a hit like I'm sitting on a chair in an attempt to even things up. That's beyond unrealistic. Pull a full cage on Larsen, and there's still no guarantee. If there's enough force in the contact to move the brain in the skull, you're concussed. The cage protects a player from pucks and sticks and skates, but the only way to remove 90% of the potential concussions is to removing hitting altogether. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2016 20:15:50 GMT -5
I saw Larson's head snap back first on the replay I saw...maybe it was barely secondary contact...but the head definitely was hit by Hall's shoulder. So do we start teaching players to check like they're tackling? I've never been one to preach that it's the fault of the victim. In this case however, Larsen is skating towards Hall. He has to know as a defender that he's skating directly towards the oncoming fore check. He should have turned to face and receive the puck. At that point, if Hall hits him it's a check from behind most likely. Hall was coming in for a hit as part of his fore checking responsibility. Larsen should be smart enough to know that a forward is in all likelyhood coming. I don't know if any of his team mates were yelling, "man on" or "head's up", like they should have been. Hall didn't target the head. This wasn't Stevens on Lindros, or Matt Cooke on Marc Savard. Hall skated straight through a shorter player. A hit with enough force can cause whiplash without contact to the head. I'm between 6'3 and 6'4 without skates and 230lbs. Larsen is listed between 6' and 6'1, but I have a hard time believing it. Maybe with his skates on. If I go in to hit him, or say Bouillon who was all of 5'9, I'm thinking center of chest, arms down. I can't help it that I'm taller, and I'm not going to approach a player for a hit like I'm sitting on a chair in an attempt to even things up. That's beyond unrealistic. Pull a full cage on Larsen, and there's still no guarantee. If there's enough force in the contact to move the brain in the skull, you're concussed. The cage protects a player from pucks and sticks and skates, but the only way to remove 90% of the potential concussions is to removing hitting altogether. And yet in football they don't care about height difference, or the if the perpetrator is only doing his job ... Case in point, a scrambling QB who slides just before a linebacker is about to hit him. What is the linebacker to do? Trust he slides or follow through on his tackle that he is in the process of delivering? Don't matter, you hit a sliding QB, it's a penalty , he is in a vulnerable position and the slightest of contact is the linebackers fault, not the QB's. Or a runner going up the sideline, and then to avoid the hit, he steps out of bounds just before the oncoming hit ....it's a penalty for hitting a guy out of bounds. Again it's the hitters fault. Only in hockey is the victim blamed. In this instance let's look at Larsen's options. 1) turn into the hit, and let Hall hit him from behind. Yep , smart. For starters, it risks a serious more injury than what occurred. But Hall would let up? Then why didn't he here, cause I agree he had ample time. And of course, the NHL experts and fans alike would blame him for turning into the hit. 2) forget the puck, look up, avoid the hit ..... And of course get himself stapled to the bench. 3) corrale the puck ...Boom The only player who could have assured that Larsen did not get creamed making a hockey play, was Hall himself. Hall saw Larsen the entire way, knew his head was down, knew he did not have control of the puck, (it just touched his stick milliseconds before impact), and knew a poke check would have knocked the puck away as he skated by .... But nope ...he saw the chance to really hurt a player with a crunching blow and took it. It should not matter what his intent was, only what he did to an unsuspecting player who had zero chance to brace himself |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2016 20:18:51 GMT -5
I saw Larson's head snap back first on the replay I saw...maybe it was barely secondary contact...but the head definitely was hit by Hall's shoulder. So do we start teaching players to check like they're tackling? . Brian Burke and Don Cherry have been advocating for "hug" type check in such a situation ... The forechecker can wrap up a player who has his back to you, close to the boards. It could have worked here too |
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Post by blny on Dec 8, 2016 6:45:51 GMT -5
If a QB slides, he's off limits. So, that comparison doesn't wash for me. The comparison to bring in would be the defenseless receiver over the middle.
I've discussed and advocated the hug technique. When Burke and Cherry have mentioned it it's always been about head long into the boards plays, not plays parallel to the end boards. Akin to basketball, where the end boards are the basket, you post up the player. Hall could have stopped I suppose, and just stood there like a wall. There's still no guarantee that Larsen sees him the way he played it. There's still no guarantee he's not injured. It's a very slippery slope when you legislate that hit out of the game.
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