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Post by GNick99 on Mar 3, 2017 12:37:28 GMT -5
The Hockey News recently released their rankings of prospects. Here are our top ten:
1. Mikael Sergachev
2. Noah Juulsen
2. Michael McCarron
4. Nikita Scherbak
5. Jacob De La Rose
6. Zach Fucale
7. Charles Hudon
8. Michael McNiven
9. Will Bitten
10 Victor Mete
Ranked 24th of 30 teams, gave us a C+.
I don't agree with Fucale of Lindgren. McNiven should be higher, JDL isn't much of a prospect to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 13:55:48 GMT -5
Thin.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 3, 2017 15:03:48 GMT -5
We need to hit some home runs, or at least doubles and triples...soon.
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Post by PTH on Mar 3, 2017 18:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 3, 2017 19:08:34 GMT -5
This was last weekend. Thompson benched him for the rest of the game, and they gave up four unanswered goals to lose 4-2. He never was actually scratched, and returned to regular shifts the next game. Message sent. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 3, 2017 19:24:02 GMT -5
He's young, but is this his first such incident ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Mar 3, 2017 23:30:51 GMT -5
This was last weekend. Thompson benched him for the rest of the game, and they gave up four unanswered goals to lose 4-2. He never was actually scratched, and returned to regular shifts the next game. Message sent. Thanks for clarifying. I read the article and then didn't post for 24h and the details had gotten "hazy" and I got "lazy" (ie, didn't go back and check). The one thing I like is how they were doomed without Sergachev - kind of says how important he is to his team. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2017 5:03:32 GMT -5
He's a risk taker....needed to learn some discipline. I watched next game, Sergachev looked great. Going to be good one. But 5 years ago I thought Tinordi would be decent NHLer. But again, I didn't know he was on steriods. Timmins couldn't have neither |
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Post by Gogie on Mar 4, 2017 8:57:36 GMT -5
He's a risk taker....needed to learn some discipline. I watched next game, Sergachev looked great. Going to be good one. But 5 years ago I thought Tinordi would be decent NHLer. But again, I didn't know he was on steriods. Timmins couldn't have neither I never heard this before. Not questioning it, just saying I hadn't heard it. If it's true it explains a lot. |
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Post by PTH on Mar 4, 2017 9:10:20 GMT -5
He's a risk taker....needed to learn some discipline. I watched next game, Sergachev looked great. Going to be good one. But 5 years ago I thought Tinordi would be decent NHLer. But again, I didn't know he was on steriods. Timmins couldn't have neither I never heard this before. Not questioning it, just saying I hadn't heard it. If it's true it explains a lot. He failed a steroid test after we moved him. The question soon becomes who knew, and when. |
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Post by frozone on Mar 4, 2017 13:22:30 GMT -5
He's a risk taker....needed to learn some discipline. I watched next game, Sergachev looked great. Going to be good one. But 5 years ago I thought Tinordi would be decent NHLer. But again, I didn't know he was on steriods. Timmins couldn't have neither I don't think the benching had anything to do with taking risks. I read a separate article about the benching, and Thompson said that the benching was 100% related to Sergachev's uncharacteristic penalties. Just wants a young kid to learn to contain his emotions so that similar penalties aren't taken come playoff time. Spitfires bench all-star defenceman opening the door for Sting to rally for win |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 4, 2017 14:15:10 GMT -5
He's a risk taker....needed to learn some discipline. I watched next game, Sergachev looked great. Going to be good one. But 5 years ago I thought Tinordi would be decent NHLer. But again, I didn't know he was on steriods. Timmins couldn't have neither Gnick there are probably lots of guys in the NHL taking some 'illegal' supplement or other. There's no way a group like the NHL, which denies concussion issues, actually has a stringent drug screening plan. They don't care if there are long term ill effects. They probably only 'find' something when it suits them. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 4, 2017 14:18:55 GMT -5
Spitfires will be on Sportnet at 4pm. Mikhail Sergachev, Mete, and Addison.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 7, 2017 14:22:09 GMT -5
He's a risk taker....needed to learn some discipline. I watched next game, Sergachev looked great. Going to be good one. But 5 years ago I thought Tinordi would be decent NHLer. But again, I didn't know he was on steriods. Timmins couldn't have neither I don't think the benching had anything to do with taking risks. I read a separate article about the benching, and Thompson said that the benching was 100% related to Sergachev's uncharacteristic penalties. Just wants a young kid to learn to contain his emotions so that similar penalties aren't taken come playoff time. Spitfires bench all-star defenceman opening the door for Sting to rally for winSergachev made a bone head play against the Soo which led to a goal, what I was getting at. Sergachev has Beaulieu skating and mobility but much better in offensive zone. Has a heavy, accurate shot, very good at quaterbacking the powerplay. He will score more in a season than Beaulieu will in five seasons. But in his own end has the odd brain cramp. Similar to Beaulieu that way. Overall, he reminds me Malakhov. Why I said I would trade him for Duchene...I see Sergechev averaging out as #2 NHL-dman. Career year or two may go higher. I hope I am wrong but doubt I am. I would deal a #2dman for #1 center 99 times out of a 100. What I am watching for is how he responds in Memorial Cup. Because his intensity level has been questioned before. If he game improves during pressure situations it is a big plus. Overall, he had good future on blueline though. Sergechev, Juulsen and Simon Bourque, Mete are all solid prospects. |
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Post by blny on Mar 7, 2017 14:46:39 GMT -5
I don't think the benching had anything to do with taking risks. I read a separate article about the benching, and Thompson said that the benching was 100% related to Sergachev's uncharacteristic penalties. Just wants a young kid to learn to contain his emotions so that similar penalties aren't taken come playoff time. Spitfires bench all-star defenceman opening the door for Sting to rally for winSergachev made a bone head play against the Soo which led to a goal, what I was getting at. Sergachev has Beaulieu skating and mobility but much better in offensive zone. Has a heavy, accurate shot, very good at quaterbacking the powerplay. He will score more in a season than Beaulieu will in five seasons. But in his own end has the odd brain cramp. Similar to Beaulieu that way. Overall, he reminds me Malakhov. Why I said I would trade him for Duchene...I see Sergechev averaging out as #2 NHL-dman. Career year or two may go higher. I hope I am wrong but doubt I am. I would deal a #2dman for #1 center 99 times out of a 100.What I am watching for is how he responds in Memorial Cup. Because his intensity level has been questioned before. If he game improves during pressure situations it is a big plus. Overall, he had good future on blueline though. Sergechev, Juulsen and Simon Bourque, Mete are all solid prospects. For a legit #1 I consider it, even though I think Serg's ceiling is #1 franchise defender. The problems with Duchene are a)I'm not convinced he's a franchise #1 center and b)the lunacy that is reported to be the rest of Colorado's asking price (Serg, Galch, and a first). |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 15, 2017 11:40:31 GMT -5
Sergachev made a bone head play against the Soo which led to a goal, what I was getting at. Sergachev has Beaulieu skating and mobility but much better in offensive zone. Has a heavy, accurate shot, very good at quaterbacking the powerplay. He will score more in a season than Beaulieu will in five seasons. But in his own end has the odd brain cramp. Similar to Beaulieu that way. Overall, he reminds me Malakhov. Why I said I would trade him for Duchene...I see Sergechev averaging out as #2 NHL-dman. Career year or two may go higher. I hope I am wrong but doubt I am. I would deal a #2dman for #1 center 99 times out of a 100.What I am watching for is how he responds in Memorial Cup. Because his intensity level has been questioned before. If he game improves during pressure situations it is a big plus. Overall, he had good future on blueline though. Sergechev, Juulsen and Simon Bourque, Mete are all solid prospects. For a legit #1 I consider it, even though I think Serg's ceiling is #1 franchise defender. The problems with Duchene are a)I'm not convinced he's a franchise #1 center and b)the lunacy that is reported to be the rest of Colorado's asking price (Serg, Galch, and a first). Canadiens made the right move....I probably will end up being wrong. I get too overzealous on a player from time to time |
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Post by blny on Mar 15, 2017 11:44:21 GMT -5
For a legit #1 I consider it, even though I think Serg's ceiling is #1 franchise defender. The problems with Duchene are a)I'm not convinced he's a franchise #1 center and b)the lunacy that is reported to be the rest of Colorado's asking price (Serg, Galch, and a first). Canadiens made the right move....I probably will end up being wrong. I get too overzealous on a player from time to time That passion gets us all from time to time.  |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 15, 2017 12:03:02 GMT -5
Here's my TOP 10:
1)Sergachev is head and shoulders the Canadiens best prospect this season. Has excellent skating and mobility for his size. Better in offensive zone. Has a heavy, accurate shot, very good at quaterbacking the powerplay. In his own end prone to the odd brain cramp. Upside a #1 d-man, annual all-star, downside the next Vladimir Malakhov. Be watching Memorial Cup to see how Sergechev responds playing under pressure. As intensity has been the knock on him before. If his play goes up when games mean more it will good sign towards his future.
2) Juulsen...our first round pick from 2015. Had a good WJC. Just solid is how I describe him. Steady, moves the puck well, positions well, can be physical when needs to, reads the play very well. See him as a future #3 or #4 d-man, playing 20 minutes a night. Negatives I see in him is how will his mobility translate to NHL level and he needs to bulk up a little. His mobility from time-to-time makes me think of Morgan Ellis. Looks kind of thin out there also. If he could add 10-15 pounds of muscle to good.
3) McNiven I have at #3. To me the biggest mover since the start of season. He's had a good year. I have him jumping ahead of Fucale and Lindgren on our depth charts. Almost made Canada's World Junior squad, after Christmas went on amazing hot streak. Best goalie in the OHL. Tops in GAA and save percentage by a solid margin. Wasn't drafted, signed as a free agent. Should make the jump to AHL next year easily, has NHL written all over him.
4) Hudon is another who has risen this season. Had a so-so camp, but went on to a good season in AHL. To do that under Syl is no easy task. Everytime I seen him play always impressed with how smart he is, hockey IQ has to be off the chart, Carbonneau like, seems to be in the right place at the right time. Not a great shot but his vision and offensive skills are not in question. Hudon is 23, next year will be his time in NHL. If we don't lose him in expansion draft.
5) McCarron is still in our top 10. Seems like he has been there forever. Early on when he was drafted much debate if he was a future top 6 forward or bottom 6. At this point looks like the latter will prove true. This year his development in the AHL was expected to jump ahead but he has plateau a bit. I have idea long NHL career, more physical and can play center but see him as a DWight King type.
6) Schebak was up for a cup of coffee in December. Still needs to work on his NHL game but talent is there. If he puts it together could be a second line winger in NHL. His play has improved this year in St. John's. Schebak is the only forward prospect Montreal has with both size and skill.
7) Mete broke out this year, it only took him 45 games this year to score as many goals as he did his first 2 years in the OHL(126 games). Skating is his strong suite, best skater this year in the O, by a wide margin, maybe best skater ever to play in OHL. Size is his downfall, but he's aggressive and competitive, highly intelligent. An underrated defender, has been used by Dale Hunter this year in all situations ie. PK, PP, 5ON5. Seems to excel in 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 situations. Near the top in team +/- this year. Even has a better +/- and outscored last year's 5th overall pick teammate Juolevi. Plays the left-side, would make potent pairing with Weber someday. Reminds me of former Pred/Flyer Timmonen.
8) Lindgren still only 23, which is young for a goalie. Especially for college guy as they generally haven't play as many games and mature later. Has a .912% save percentage for St. John's this year. I compare him to Condon circa 2013. We lost a decent goalie in Condon for nil; let's not it happen again to Lindgren.
9) Bitten had a good development camp. Then got off to slow start following trade to Hamilton, picked it up in second half. Speed to burn, plays with heart, downside is similar to most Habs prospects...size! A cross between a Paul Bryon and Gallagher. Has better hands than Gallagher and is faster, but not as strong.
10) Bourque, coming into this season there was a question if Habs would sign him - he was signed in Feb. Still aways from good NHL prospect but has some things going for him. Reminds me a little of former Hab Josh Gorges. In that does small things well but nothing great. Plays with passion like Gorges, leader, was assistant captain at 17 on Rimouski's Memorial Cup team. Then captain next 2 years. Put up points in junoir but his lack of a good shot will hurt his offense in NHL. A steal in 2015 Draft - 6th round pick, 177th overall. Chance Sea Dogs get to Memorial Cup, as Saint John clinched first overall in the QMJHL this season with 100 point season. If they do will get a good look at Simon Bourque.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 17, 2017 9:15:09 GMT -5
Canadiens made the right move....I probably will end up being wrong. I get too overzealous on a player from time to time That passion gets us all from time to time. I would over pay for #1 center. Because they are near impossible to find. We haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon - 21 years ago. But Sakic was asking way beyond that. There will be another chance |
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Post by blny on Mar 17, 2017 9:41:44 GMT -5
That passion gets us all from time to time. I would over pay for #1 center. Because they are near impossible to find. We haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon - 21 years ago. But Sakic was asking way beyond that. There will be another chance I'd argue that Koivu was a pretty clear cut #1. His downfall was a prime spent with wingers the likes of Petrov, Zholtok and Savage. Saku was criminally under supported. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 17, 2017 12:02:08 GMT -5
That passion gets us all from time to time. I would over pay for #1 center. Because they are near impossible to find. We haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon - 21 years ago. But Sakic was asking way beyond that. There will be another chance Sakic had more leverage at the deadline. He knew teams would love to add Duchene for the playoffs, so held out for more. Colorado badly needs defensive help. That's BADLY in capitals. They have Erik Johnson (who keeps getting injured) and Tyson Barrie as regulars. Beauchemin is on aging legs, Zadorov is still learning, and Barberio is ok. That's it. Weber would be a great addition to their team, stabilizing the D and providing leadership . But seriously, that's not a bad idea. Yes, we weaken our defense, but we don't weaken it as much as we improve the offense. It would be a net gain to us and I'd ask for more than Duchene anyway. Duchene and Colorado's 1st rounder for Weber and our 1st rounder. I'd not be averse to adding Lindgren into the deal. The other spot the Avs are really weak in is goal. I like that deal. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 19, 2017 3:31:22 GMT -5
I would over pay for #1 center. Because they are near impossible to find. We haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon - 21 years ago. But Sakic was asking way beyond that. There will be another chance I'd argue that Koivu was a pretty clear cut #1. His downfall was a prime spent with wingers the likes of Petrov, Zholtok and Savage. Saku was criminally under supported. Koivu was injured so much. But I'd select him over Galchenyuk. At same age of course. Galchenyuk looks like a winger forced to play center. Bad faceoffs/defensive zone coverage. I would offer up Sergechev for MD this summer. But that is all I would offer. Why I wanted Duchene or any #1 center they will make Patches/Rad 10% better. I'm willing to move Sergechev because I see Beaulieu type brain cramps in his own end. But I can understand why Habs don't want to risk trading him. |
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Post by stoat on Mar 20, 2017 23:13:57 GMT -5
I'd argue that Koivu was a pretty clear cut #1. His downfall was a prime spent with wingers the likes of Petrov, Zholtok and Savage. Saku was criminally under supported. Koivu was injured so much. But I'd select him over Galchenyuk. At same age of course. Galchenyuk looks like a winger forced to play center. Bad faceoffs/defensive zone coverage. I would offer up Sergechev for MD this summer. But that is all I would offer. Why I wanted Duchene or any #1 center they will make Patches/Rad 10% better. I'm willing to move Sergechev because I see Beaulieu type brain cramps in his own end. But I can understand why Habs don't want to risk trading him. Overpayment is sometimes worthwhile, but over-overpayment is something else. Sergachev could enjoy a much more productive career than Duchene. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 22, 2017 5:15:19 GMT -5
Koivu was injured so much. But I'd select him over Galchenyuk. At same age of course. Galchenyuk looks like a winger forced to play center. Bad faceoffs/defensive zone coverage. I would offer up Sergechev for MD this summer. But that is all I would offer. Why I wanted Duchene or any #1 center they will make Patches/Rad 10% better. I'm willing to move Sergechev because I see Beaulieu type brain cramps in his own end. But I can understand why Habs don't want to risk trading him. Overpayment is sometimes worthwhile, but over-overpayment is something else. Sergachev could enjoy a much more productive career than Duchene. A good #1 center is near impossible to find. While a #1 d-man is much easier. We've had 3 in last 10 years...Weber, Subban, Markov(circa 2008). While 21 years since good #1 center. Both are important...I think #1 center is more though. Will tell why when have more time |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 23, 2017 11:04:55 GMT -5
That passion gets us all from time to time. I would over pay for #1 center. Because they are near impossible to find. We haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon - 21 years ago. But Sakic was asking way beyond that. There will be another chance
One of the first things Serge Savard did when he took over from Irving Grundman was get an elite #1 centre in Bobby Smith ... it cost us Mark Napier (5'10") and Keith Acton (5'8") ... in the previous three seasons before the trade, Napier scored 35, 40, 40 goals and at the time of the trade (link) he already had 3 goals in the first 5 games of the '83/84 season ... Acton accounted for 35 goals and 88 points in the '81/82 season and he had started the season with 10 points in 9 games before he went to Minnesota (link) ... is there a comparable package Marc Bergevin can put together that would have landed Matt Duchene ... I'd be hard-pressed to compare Duchene to Smith but we're in dire need of a #1 centre and have been for quite a while ... I'm really hoping Mikhail Sergachev is worth the hype ...
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 24, 2017 3:05:09 GMT -5
I would over pay for #1 center. Because they are near impossible to find. We haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon - 21 years ago. But Sakic was asking way beyond that. There will be another chance
One of the first things Serge Savard did when he took over from Irving Grundman was get an elite #1 centre in Bobby Smith ... it cost us Mark Napier (5'10") and Keith Acton (5'8") ... in the previous three seasons before the trade, Napier scored 35, 40, 40 goals and at the time of the trade (link) he already had 3 goals in the first 5 games of the '83/84 season ... Acton accounted for 35 goals and 88 points in the '81/82 season and he had started the season with 10 points in 9 games before he went to Minnesota (link) ... is there a comparable package Marc Bergevin can put together that would have landed Matt Duchene ... I'd be hard-pressed to compare Duchene to Smith but we're in dire need of a #1 centre and have been for quite a while ... I'm really hoping Mikhail Sergachev is worth the hype ...
Cheers. #1 center yeah. Well, its the main cog in your offense. Then he traded for Muller when Smith aged. Not hard to see why Habs had trouble scoring last 6-7 years. Serge Savard stole that knowledge though. All those years hanging around Sam Pollock, Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman. He heard them say strength down the middle is mainstay of your team. Goaltending isn't going to be the difference. It helps, but at end of the day....you have to be able to put the biscuit in the basket! |
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Post by blny on Mar 24, 2017 8:39:34 GMT -5
Duchene isn't a #1 center, so the comparison is off to a rocky start. He's not a big body center either.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 24, 2017 10:21:47 GMT -5
Duchene isn't a #1 center, so the comparison is off to a rocky start. He's not a big body center either. No he is not. Not this season anyway. Duchene isn't who I would go after |
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Post by blny on Mar 24, 2017 18:14:13 GMT -5
Duchene isn't a #1 center, so the comparison is off to a rocky start. He's not a big body center either. No he is not. Not this season anyway. Duchene isn't who I would go after I don't think any of the ones worth going after are available at much of any price. :/ |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 25, 2017 5:44:43 GMT -5
No he is not. Not this season anyway. Duchene isn't who I would go after I don't think any of the ones worth going after are available at much of any price. :/ It's going to be steep. #1 center hardly ever get traded. Probably will cost Galchenyuk and Gallagher. I'd either go big like for a Taveres or step down to a Henrique and switch #1 picks with Devils to get Vilardi. He played good game last night. Sergachev not so good |
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