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Post by seventeen on Apr 27, 2017 1:13:44 GMT -5
Laviolette is extremely happy with him, and stated that the most impressive part of his game was his defensive work. With Josi and Ellis having great scoring years, Subban hasn't had to be the go to guy. He's been a rock for the Preds and he's not fully healed from his back injury. Hard to say he's anything but an elite defenseman. Josi scores more, but is no where near as strong defensively. Course, Subban's not going to score 3 points every night, but he was involved in all 4 Preds goals and if not for a teammate being caught too deep to get out of the offensive zone, he'd have had 4 points. He also made several outstanding exit zone passes that I saw. It was a very strong game, by anyone's measure. Subban's career playoff stats are now at .717 points per game.
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2017 6:03:35 GMT -5
Acupuncture can relieve a lot. It will heal minor herniated discs without surgery (know this first hand). Most likely symptoms are nerve pain in legs. He's showing good mobility. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to a big hit behind his own net. I've got 2 of them in my back and one of them presses against the sciatic nerve and pain shots down the leg... I've never heard of acupuncture as a treatment I had a herniation from a motorcycle accident in 09. Acupuncture needle right into the space and some electrical actuators (I think they called them). Sends pulses through the needles, and intensity can be varied. Two treatments took care of it. I still have sciatic issues because of a bad vertebrae, but the disc is no longer an issue. I wish it would help as much with arthritic joint pain lol. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 27, 2017 8:09:42 GMT -5
Laviolette is extremely happy with him, and stated that the most impressive part of his game was his defensive work. With Josi and Ellis having great scoring years, Subban hasn't had to be the go to guy. He's been a rock for the Preds and he's not fully healed from his back injury. Hard to say he's anything but an elite defenseman. Josi scores more, but is no where near as strong defensively. That was the most frustrating thing about the trade.... everyone agreed PK was the better offensive player, but there was a presumption that Weber was the better defensive player and that simply wasn't true. PK is a defensive stud. He has the perfect build, i.e. strong lower body, he has quick feet to get to loose pucks, he rarely misses an assignment, he challenges zone entries. Yes he takes more chances offensively and occasionally gets caught, but the frequency of those instances was always overblown - he's smart enough to tighten up his game when it counts and Nashville is reaping the benefits. |
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2017 8:44:19 GMT -5
Laviolette is extremely happy with him, and stated that the most impressive part of his game was his defensive work. With Josi and Ellis having great scoring years, Subban hasn't had to be the go to guy. He's been a rock for the Preds and he's not fully healed from his back injury. Hard to say he's anything but an elite defenseman. Josi scores more, but is no where near as strong defensively. That was the most frustrating thing about the trade.... everyone agreed PK was the better offensive player, but there was a presumption that Weber was the better defensive player and that simply wasn't true. PK is a defensive stud. He has the perfect build, i.e. strong lower body, he has quick feet to get to loose pucks, he rarely misses an assignment, he challenges zone entries. Yes he takes more chances offensively and occasionally gets caught, but the frequency of those instances was always overblown - he's smart enough to tighten up his game when it counts and Nashville is reaping the benefits. I can't pretend to know what goes on in Bergevin's mind, but I think it's fair to say that he what he saw, and wanted, in Weber was some of the tradition aspects of a defender. There are things that Weber can do that Subban can't. Weber is better in front of the net and in the corners. He's got the size and strength to move bodies and win the battles in scrums. PK can use his skating and retrieval skills to avoid some of that, but there are times when have to go win a one-on-one physical battle with a guy 6'4 and over 200lbs. That was never PK's game. I have to think that management thought Beaulieu would take that next step. He started the year looking like he might. Maybe the increase in minutes just wore him out, but I'm inclined to believe he's just not smart enough. He just can't think fast enough. Weber might be limited skill-wise, but there were instances where he showed a proclivity to jump into the rush. It's why he was a big part of that Mitchell goal in game three. There was a deft display of skill on his part there. He recognized the opportunity, got involved, and took part in a very nice give and go with Mitchell. I can live without PK, and so can the team. Do I miss him? Sure. Do I think we'd be better, right now, with him? No. Just different. Undo the trade and we're still on the sidelines after round one imo. While there is certainly regret among the fan base, and may be some in the inner circles of management, there are some things that offsets where both players will be in 4 years. $1.2 million in salary difference may not seem like much, but it's something that adds up when you're in a league whose cap has been stagnant. Every bit of space helps. Two, Weber isn't retiring before the penalties the Canadiens would incur expire. In other words, when he does retire, not only does Nashville have PK to consider, but they've got potentially $24 million in recapture penalties to deal with. This team needs to add goals. Not scoring chances, not opportunity. Goals, especially in the post season. The trade does afford some greater flexibility. It's up to Bergevin to utilize that as best he can. Radulov is a start. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2017 10:39:24 GMT -5
The Preds' Fiala crashes knee-first into the end boards... The way the doc is checking him..and holding his leg....might be a fractured femur....?? Move over, Dr. Recchi....Dr. CH is IN.... Broken Femur |
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2017 10:41:54 GMT -5
The Preds' Fiala crashes knee-first into the end boards... The way the doc is checking him..and holding his leg....might be a fractured femur....?? Move over, Dr. Recchi....Dr. CH is IN.... Broken FemurBeat me to it. The way they handled that leg, I'd have never have guessed femur. Was it Curtis Foster who shattered his? Took him years to come back and was never the same. Hardest bone in the body to break. Takes an unreal amount of energy/force. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2017 10:58:37 GMT -5
The doc spent a lot of time poking around above the knee to halfway up the thigh. That's what got me thinking....plus the point of impact on the leg.
It appeared to me to hit just above the kneecap.
He's fortunate there weren't other complications.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 27, 2017 11:13:22 GMT -5
I can't pretend to know what goes on in Bergevin's mind, but I think it's fair to say that he what he saw, and wanted, in Weber was some of the tradition aspects of a defender. There are things that Weber can do that Subban can't. Weber is better in front of the net and in the corners. He's got the size and strength to move bodies and win the battles in scrums. PK can use his skating and retrieval skills to avoid some of that, but there are times when have to go win a one-on-one physical battle with a guy 6'4 and over 200lbs. That was never PK's game. That kind of thinking (Bergevin's, not yours) concerns me greatly. The league is evolving into a speed merchant game and Bergevin is building a team that may have competed 10 years ago. Tinordi is the perfect example. Well suited to the game when he was drafted, not so much 4 years later. You can see that type of thinking in so many of his moves. He loves defensively responsible guys who finish their checks (which describes 4th line players). His coaching choices fit that line of thinking to a T. I think the Oilers will win that series over Anaheim despite having less overall talent. They're committed to skating, while the Ducks are committed to 'being hard to play against'. It's a test of the speed vs hitting models. Can Bergevin adapt? Perhaps, but he's already caused considerable damage with the Weber deal. His conservative nature extends to not making a deal unless he thinks he's ripping off the other guy. He wants a considerable margin of error. (The Weber deal was an ego deal, not a hockey deal, so he didn't care about 'winning' that one. Weber was his last kick at moving Subban). That kind of thinking ensures you don't move ahead. You have to take occasional risks which don't always work out. In any case, I don't particularly care for the priority of Bergevin's values, or his lack of tolerance for 'cocky' players. He's not going anywhere for now, so we'll see if he changes. |
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2017 11:25:43 GMT -5
I can't pretend to know what goes on in Bergevin's mind, but I think it's fair to say that he what he saw, and wanted, in Weber was some of the tradition aspects of a defender. There are things that Weber can do that Subban can't. Weber is better in front of the net and in the corners. He's got the size and strength to move bodies and win the battles in scrums. PK can use his skating and retrieval skills to avoid some of that, but there are times when have to go win a one-on-one physical battle with a guy 6'4 and over 200lbs. That was never PK's game. That kind of thinking (Bergevin's, not yours) concerns me greatly. The league is evolving into a speed merchant game and Bergevin is building a team that may have competed 10 years ago. Tinordi is the perfect example. Well suited to the game when he was drafted, not so much 4 years later. You can see that type of thinking in so many of his moves. He loves defensively responsible guys who finish their checks (which describes 4th line players). His coaching choices fit that line of thinking to a T. I think the Oilers will win that series over Anaheim despite having less overall talent. They're committed to skating, while the Ducks are committed to 'being hard to play against'. It's a test of the speed vs hitting models. Can Bergevin adapt? Perhaps, but he's already caused considerable damage with the Weber deal. His conservative nature extends to not making a deal unless he thinks he's ripping off the other guy. He wants a considerable margin of error. (The Weber deal was an ego deal, not a hockey deal, so he didn't care about 'winning' that one. Weber was his last kick at moving Subban). That kind of thinking ensures you don't move ahead. You have to take occasional risks which don't always work out. In any case, I don't particularly care for the priority of Bergevin's values, or his lack of tolerance for 'cocky' players. He's not going anywhere for now, so we'll see if he changes. I raised that concern, as did others, at the time of the trade. For the time being, I feel like Shea thinks the game fast enough to make up for any shortcomings he has in the speed department. He's never going to deke through a crowd. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 19:15:50 GMT -5
Ottawa way faster at moving the puck against the Rangers than the Habs were. Hope Marc is paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 19:29:39 GMT -5
Lundqvist stands on his head, meanwhile McDonaugh's point shot gets through Anderson. 1-0.
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2017 20:10:55 GMT -5
Lundqvist stands on his head, meanwhile McDonaugh's point shot gets through Anderson. 1-0. Sens fan next door. talking between periods he predicted Sens in 4. I laughed. Came up with all the reasons why they'd win. Same ones I gave for a Habs W. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2017 20:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Apr 27, 2017 20:39:32 GMT -5
Karlsson scores from behind the red line in the corner of the rink. Lundqvist wasn't letting those in against the Habs.
EDIT - with 37 seconds left Galley is calling Karlsson shot the game winner. Game is not over yet Garry.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2017 20:41:56 GMT -5
Karlsson scores from behind the red line in the corner of the rink. Lundqvist wasn't letting those in against the Habs. That's a goal worthy of Zapruder footage...it went off a player to the side of the net, deflected up, and hit the top of Lundqvist's back just under the mask....and in. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 20:59:06 GMT -5
Karlsson scores from behind the red line in the corner of the rink. Lundqvist wasn't letting those in against the Habs. EDIT - with 37 seconds left Galley is calling Karlsson shot the game winner. Game is not over yet Garry. No, but those shots through traffic weren't getting through either... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 21:09:03 GMT -5
Penguins finding a way to get past Washington's defense in 1-on-1 plays.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 21:16:18 GMT -5
Furious pressure by the Capitals late. Fleury is bringing it.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 28, 2017 8:12:05 GMT -5
Pretty sad to see the Senators not selling out the building during the playoffs. Apparently a couple thousand short.
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Post by franko on Apr 28, 2017 10:24:58 GMT -5
Pretty sad to see the Senators not selling out the building during the playoffs. Apparently a couple thousand short. this is typical . . . bad location for the city, as this has always (from what I understand) a "walk-up" sort of town. and government employees aren't allowed to accept tickets to games, too much likelihood they'll be bribed (really??). Habs, Leafs, Pens . . . they'll sell out. other teams not so much. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2017 12:37:17 GMT -5
and government employees aren't allowed to accept tickets to games, too much likelihood they'll be bribed (really??). Isn't it more likely they would be bribed by offering to take tickets off their hands? |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2017 19:23:59 GMT -5
Blues/Preds game starts. Blues are amped. Way too amped IMO. Their focus is on the physical rather than outplaying the Preds. If they don't check their emotions it won't end well for them.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2017 19:26:35 GMT -5
1-0 Preds. Pietrangelo with a terrible clear which set up Ellis for an easy slap shot, deflected, goal.
But hey, Pietrangelo's a Team Canada guy. They don't make mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 21:57:54 GMT -5
What kind of a shot is this
(Spoilers: a very good one)
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 29, 2017 10:11:21 GMT -5
How about those Oilers? Up 2-0 on the Ducks going home...
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Post by blny on Apr 29, 2017 10:37:47 GMT -5
How about those Oilers? Up 2-0 on the Ducks going home... They'll certainly take it, but I don't think they want to start a trend of being that badly outplayed. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 29, 2017 10:44:36 GMT -5
No, they gave up possession too easily. They lost Caligula (I know) early in the game and that took them down to 3 lines mostly. Caggiula has great speed, so the inury hurt them in that capacity too. But....they seem to be able to score enough. Talbot had a great game.
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Post by jkr on Apr 29, 2017 18:10:40 GMT -5
Pageau with four goals. Sens win in double OT - 6-5.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 18:20:23 GMT -5
Wild game. Rangers had built up a 2 goal lead three times.
Envious on how the Sens are finding ways to solve Lundqvist.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 29, 2017 18:21:18 GMT -5
Pageau with four goals. Sens win in double OT - 6-5. We ccouldn't do anything against Lundquist and that pipsqueak gets 4 goals... amazing How Saperlipopettety are the habs |
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