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Post by PTH on Apr 27, 2017 19:11:42 GMT -5
Anyone have any tips for 2 weeks in England ?
I'm a seasoned traveler (if you want to have fun, try and find a country in Europe where I haven't been and that doesn't touch a country I've been to, either. Only 2 correct answers if island-nations are excluded)
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2017 20:09:18 GMT -5
Two weeks? Pfft.
South coast Hastings-Brighton-Stonehenge-Plymouth is our next trip there.
East coast and circle Whitby-Robin's Hood Bay-York-Manchester-Stratford (missed Liverpool) last trip there.
London itself
still dreaming of Hadrian's Wall and Scotland . . . and the Isles of Skye and Mann (that one will be alone).
Two weeks? Two months!
Good luck, have fun, and I'm jealous.
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Post by PTH on Apr 27, 2017 23:14:52 GMT -5
My current plan is along the lines of Portsmouth-Salibury-?-?-London-Canterbury-Dover-back to Gatwick airport
The two ? Are going to be Jurassic coast, Bristol/Bath, maybe get up closer to Liverpool for an added castle, the Cotswolds, Oxford and other assorted goodies yet to be identified. I'm kind of a last-minute kind of guy. When in Spain I decided to go spend a week in Greece instead of Morocco, just because.
Hadrian's wall, Lake District and Loch Ness are for another trip.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 28, 2017 5:28:33 GMT -5
Was in England back in '87 and things have no doubt changed by now ... got off the boat in Dover and drove all the way to Doncaster from there ... took the M1 all the way to Newcastle ... then onto Bridge of Allen, Scotland and then finally onto Edinburgh ... stayed in Bed & Breakfasts all the way ... on the way back we stayed in Windsor ... saw London by driving from Windsor to Slough and taking the tube from there ... best food was in the pubs ...
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Apr 28, 2017 6:15:28 GMT -5
best food was in the pubs ... that's for sure. our biggest mistake was getting off the red-eye and jumping into a rental car then driving up to Whitby (6 hours, maybe a bit more because we didn't know where we were going). "bah, I can drive on the other side of the street no problem". knocked a hub cap off making sure I didn't go to far over to the right, exited a parking lot on the wrong side (survived the glares) . . . fun times. |
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Post by blny on Apr 28, 2017 6:27:57 GMT -5
Two weeks? Pfft. and the Isles ... Mann (that one will be alone). A fortnight around the end of May and early June would be ideal. Will be rather busy there, and loud! lol  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 28, 2017 7:24:53 GMT -5
best food was in the pubs ... that's for sure. our biggest mistake was getting off the red-eye and jumping into a rental car then driving up to Whitby (6 hours, maybe a bit more because we didn't know where we were going). "bah, I can drive on the other side of the street no problem". knocked a hub cap off making sure I didn't go to far over to the right, exited a parking lot on the wrong side (survived the glares) . . . fun times. Food was awesome at the B&Bs (traditional English hot breakfasts are tasty) ... restaurants are not to be confused with the pubs and they're were quite pricy ... just as an example, we went to a Chinese food restaurant and paid out the nose for a fraction of the food you'd get here at home ... get to the pubs for affordable traditional English/Scottish grub ... it's also the best place to meet local folks as well ... driving: we lived in Germany from '86 to '91 and we got over to Britain in '87 ... took the ferry from Ostend to Dover ... so, I had my NA car which was good enough for Continental Europe but not so good for Britain ... had to keep my father-in-law on the centre line ... PTH, if you're traveling by car you're going to hit a plethora of roundabouts (jump in here, Franko) ... it was hard merging into some of them but be patient and you'll do fine ... what saved me was my license plates ... the Brits tended to give me leeway once they saw Canadian military plates ... another thing you might want to do, PTH, is wear a Canadian pin when you're traveling ... it helped us just about everywhere we went ... again, consider the B&B's ... they'll be a heck of a lot cheaper than a regular hotel ... we also had a strategy for seeing big cities ... I already mentioned staying in Windsor to see London ... again, we had to drive to Slough to take the tube in, but it's a lot cheaper to stay outside the cities and take local transport in from where you are ... it's how we saw most of the major cities we visited and it also alleviates having to drive through them, as well ... besides, taking the tube (subway) into London is a no-brainer ... very, very well laid out ... security: all about situational awareness (SA) ... every major city has neighbourhoods you should avoid ... our friends went to Manchester last year and they were warned about Gypsies ... one tactic is where someone approaches you with a map asking for directions ... once you start looking at that map, a horde of people swarm you and take everything you have ... I've never had the experience, myself, but apparently they're quite good at it ... however, just be aware of your surroundings (SA) and you should be fine ... more to follow as I think of it ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 28, 2017 8:08:05 GMT -5
-Canadian pin, for sure
-Am considering only using mass transit
-will read more when not late for work !
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Post by PTH on Apr 28, 2017 20:14:37 GMT -5
-I love those canadian pins, though in Eastern Europe or South Korea the USA is still so well-liked that being mistaken for an American isn't a problem.
-I'm likely to do the heavy lifting by train, but might rent a car for a few days in Dorsetshire (in part to reach the tank museum in Bovington) and again in Kent (to get to see Chartwell as well as a nearby castle).
-How do I tell the difference between a restaurant and a pub ?
-I'll look out for B&B's but I like to know, when I wake up, where I'm going to sleep that night, so I need to find a way to book them online.
-I tend to find rooms that are close enough to walk or at least take the subway in, I tend to only give a city a few days so I don't want to waste too much time commuting; in this case other than London I don't think lodging will be an issue, everywhere else I'm considering is small towns
-Not too worried about safety. The most at risk I've ever felt was in Athens with the jersey for the Pireus team... to me it was part of the Athens area, but clearly, it wasn't. Soccer rivalries are intense and make hockey rivalries feel like chump change...
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Post by Cranky on Apr 28, 2017 20:42:38 GMT -5
Last time thete, I rented a car and had a rough idea what we were going to do.
Visit castles. The old manufacturing district and canals system.
Get up, visit site, travel to next point, eat, sleep. Repeat.
Go north. ( up to the lake district)
Go east.
Go south.
3 days in London.
We did it at the start of May to make sure we got a BandB. The food was average to garbage but we came with our own fat reserves.
We don't do "tours" or lock ourselves into a tight schedule. We did three weeks of this and it worked out great.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 28, 2017 20:57:39 GMT -5
-I love those canadian pins, though in Eastern Europe or South Korea the USA is still so well-liked that being mistaken for an American isn't a problem. -I'm likely to do the heavy lifting by train, but might rent a car for a few days in Dorsetshire (in part to reach the tank museum in Bovington) and again in Kent (to get to see Chartwell as well as a nearby castle). -How do I tell the difference between a restaurant and a pub ? -I'll look out for B&B's but I like to know, when I wake up, where I'm going to sleep that night, so I need to find a way to book them online. -I tend to find rooms that are close enough to walk or at least take the subway in, I tend to only give a city a few days so I don't want to waste too much time commuting; in this case other than London I don't think lodging will be an issue, everywhere else I'm considering is small towns -Not too worried about safety. The most at risk I've ever felt was in Athens with the jersey for the Pireus team... to me it was part of the Athens area, but clearly, it wasn't. Soccer rivalries are intense and make hockey rivalries feel like chump change... The later you go, the more you have to pre-book. Car gives you freedom of choice and point to point speed. Driving on the "wrong side" is not a problem if you are a good driver. If not, then don't. Be honest with yourself. After a day or two, you won't think about it....but you must be always be alert of not slipping up. BandB is restictive in that you can't come in at two in the morning. Remember, your are a paying guest at someone's house. In by 9, out by 8-9. Don't hard schedule. You may be suprised at running into local events like jousting matches or shows. If you got to be somewhere else, you won't enjoy what you find. Food in pubs is...drinking first and food second. It's not what we are use to. Restaurants are going to be expensive. Think $100 for two. Bring a GPS. Every car should have them but a portable one allows for preplanning the next days drive. Good luck and have fun. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 28, 2017 21:14:04 GMT -5
The later you go, the more you have to pre-book. Good point - though I'm leaving on May 12th or 19th, no later. It's also about having access to castles and other non-urban sites. Given how I don't know how I'll like driving on the wrong side, I'm planning on renting a car 2-3 days to see a specific area which is full of goodies, and at worst never driving again in England. I'm a decent enough driver, I'm just worried about long nerve-racking drives, I figure some 20km, non-highway. runs should be ok. As a solo traveler, that's not much of an issue, I keep pretty standard hours. I'm finding it harder with only 2 weeks. For places like Japan I'd have a structure but I had extra days with ideas of what to do, but also the option of picking up on something else that seemed cool. Right now I'm already over-booked for the 2 weeks and I need to pare down a bit, moreso since as you say, I'll probably see some cool stuff I didn't plan on, and I'll want to have the freedom to check it out. Ouch. Thank heavens I'm not a foodie, and I've got plenty of reserves of my own if needed. Good idea. I always find paper maps are worthwhile since I don't want to always be 100% dependant on my cellphone. Thanks ! |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 28, 2017 21:17:16 GMT -5
Two weeks? Pfft. and the Isles ... Mann (that one will be alone). A fortnight around the end of May and early June would be ideal. Will be rather busy there, and loud! lol I rented a sports hatchback and when we got to the Lake District, my jaw dropped. I stopped at the top of a hill and all I could see are narrow, undulating roads with zero traffic. "Dear beloved wife, buckle up and hold on"....about a third if the time we were airborne, about a third of the time we were a bit sideways, about a third of the time we were doing face plant from hard breaking. All the time it was on 10 foot wide roads....between rock walls and hedges....that didn't allow for even the slightest mistake. At 100mph. The greatest drive of my life, bar none. Wife turned white and she thought that she was having a near death experience....but at the other hand, she still remembers that fear... unforgettable experience...and grin. PS....I rallyed, ice-raced and held a SCCA racing licence.....before the big boss came along and put an end to those "crazy things"....and huge costs. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 28, 2017 21:21:29 GMT -5
The later you go, the more you have to pre-book. Good point - though I'm leaving on May 12th or 19th, no later. It's also about having access to castles and other non-urban sites. Given how I don't know how I'll like driving on the wrong side, I'm planning on renting a car 2-3 days to see a specific area which is full of goodies, and at worst never driving again in England. I'm a decent enough driver, I'm just worried about long nerve-racking drives, I figure some 20km, non-highway. runs should be ok. As a solo traveler, that's not much of an issue, I keep pretty standard hours. I'm finding it harder with only 2 weeks. For places like Japan I'd have a structure but I had extra days with ideas of what to do, but also the option of picking up on something else that seemed cool. Right now I'm already over-booked for the 2 weeks and I need to pare down a bit, moreso since as you say, I'll probably see some cool stuff I didn't plan on, and I'll want to have the freedom to check it out. Ouch. Thank heavens I'm not a foodie, and I've got plenty of reserves of my own if needed. Good idea. I always find paper maps are worthwhile since I don't want to always be 100% dependant on my cellphone. Thanks ! Don't drive unless you are comfortable doing it. I don't have a problem, see above, regsrdless, I caught myself at a few mistakes. My idiot boss at a company I worked for thought he was a good driver and....run over a bicyclist. There is no such thing as a "long drive". We drove for no more then 2 hours to our next point. But we did three weeks of one or two hour drives. Also, it was easier to find pubs to eat. Car is mobility and speed...but also needs caution. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 28, 2017 21:37:01 GMT -5
Forgot to mention.....bring a small camerawith a huge memory stick.
You have no idea how we regretted not bringing a camera. We thought that we could do this all the time....and found ourselves going through life with lots of money and ZERO time.
You may or may not do this twice in your life, so a few memory jogging shots help. Right now, I wish I had shots of that Lake District and some amazing jousts/castles/sights. I would die and go to heaven if I had that crazy drive on a GoPro.
Too late for us unless we go back....but don't make our mistake. Cameras and memory sticks are dirt cheap in the big scheme of things.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 29, 2017 7:19:03 GMT -5
-I love those canadian pins, though in Eastern Europe or South Korea the USA is still so well-liked that being mistaken for an American isn't a problem. Wanted to avoid the "American" stigma, but here's a very short story ... day 1 as we arrive off the boat in Dover ... through the tourist info place, we eventually find the street where all the B&B's seem to be ... I almost get rear-ended as I parallel-park the car outside the B&B we're going to ask about ... we get inside and tell the proprietor that we'd like to book a room for our return trip a few weeks later ... she immediately asks, "are you American?" ... I said, "no, we're Canadians ... why do you ask" ... her husband appears from behind a door to another room and says, "... because Americans never show up so we refuse to book them ... are you the Canadian I almost rear-ended a few minutes ago"... me, "yes,that would be me"... him, "no problem, mate ... what date are you looking for" ... the Canadian tag even helped us in Scotland ... Sigh ... I'm an amateur history buff, as well ... can't get enough of this kind of stuff and England is loaded with history ... Someone else can jump in here, PTH, but the way I remember them is that a restaurant looks like a NA business whereas, a pub looks like a traditional English pub you'd see here at home ... like I said, someone might have a better description, but that's the way I remember them ... also, what HA says is right ... pubbing is a cultural thing; more of a way of life ... it's a different attitude, though ... it's more about hanging it out with your mates than it is about abusing alcohol (though they do have their moments like everyone else) ... go into the pub, order an ale, lager, bitter, what have you ... just hang at the bar until someone asks your opinion on something (shouldn't take too long) and you're in the conversation whether you like it or not ... it's how I learned the rules to Cricket ... Booking online wasn't even a concept back in '87 ... we did all of our bookings just after disembarked in Dover at the tourist info place at the docks ... booking online would solve a lot, but it solves a lot for everyone else, too ... we have some friends who go over every year to see relatives ... I'll ask them what they do when they book online ... more to follow ... The best rooms we had we had were usually in these small country villages ... we spent 3 days in London and still didn't see everything we wanted to and we stayed in Windsor because it was a heck of a lot cheaper than staying in London, itself ... No worries ... if you do have a concern about safety, though, just talk to the local police and they'll fill you in ... the Gypsies are a problem in some areas in major cities ... you also have to be weary about pickpockets, again, especially in the major cities ... we saw signs in the London subway emphasizing the threat of pickpockets ... will have more info shortly ... edit: PTH, one thing about the English; a lot of the folks we met were very polite people who use etiquette and manners to a different level ... it's a tad when it comes to soccer (football) ... I remember seeing the door on a pub in London "no football colours allowed" and there's a good reason for that ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Apr 29, 2017 9:50:23 GMT -5
Forgot to mention.....bring a small camerawith a huge memory stick. You have no idea how we regretted not bringing a camera. We thought that we could do this all the time....and found ourselves going through life with lots of money and ZERO time. the benefit of digital . . . you don't have to develop everything. you can click away . . . just as long as you put the camera down some time and enjoy the sights in real time. have not regretted not carrying a camera, but have regretted not bringing it. only once, though. lesson learned. |
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Post by franko on Apr 29, 2017 9:58:59 GMT -5
Driving on the "wrong side" is not a problem if you are a good driver. If not, then don't. Be honest with yourself. After a day or two, you won't think about it....but you must be always be alert of not slipping up. it's a quick catch-on . . . and it does become somewhat second nature. always alert . . . shouldn't that be every time you're behind the wheel (or the handlebars)? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 29, 2017 10:47:38 GMT -5
Driving on the "wrong side" is not a problem if you are a good driver. If not, then don't. Be honest with yourself. After a day or two, you won't think about it....but you must be always be alert of not slipping up. it's a quick catch-on . . . and it does become somewhat second nature. always alert . . . shouldn't that be every time you're behind the wheel (or the handlebars)? Had problems with readjusting to driving on the right side when I got back into Germany ... though, as HA points out, if you're cautious you'll fair fine ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 29, 2017 11:20:59 GMT -5
Forgot to mention.....bring a small camerawith a huge memory stick. You have no idea how we regretted not bringing a camera. We thought that we could do this all the time....and found ourselves going through life with lots of money and ZERO time. the benefit of digital . . . you don't have to develop everything. you can click away . . . just as long as you put the camera down some time and enjoy the sights in real time. have not regretted not carrying a camera, but have regretted not bringing it. only once, though. lesson learned. Don't worry, I've always had a digital camera on me (in addition to my cellphone which has a fine camera itself) and take 200 to 250 pictures a day. In six weeks in central europe in 2013, I took 14434 pictures. --- Current planning would be this: Land at Gatwick airport. Immediately rent car to go see Chartwell and a nearby castle, this will be less than 100km total driving, and I will drop off the car in Gatwick at the end of the day and know if I enjoy driving in England. My other potential car renting days are farther on, so along the way I'll either plan on renting or change my mind and plan for mass transit. Avec Dover, Canterbury, then 4 days in London, then Salisbury for Stonehenge and the cathedral, then 3 days to see the Jurassic coast area and Bovington tank museum and all the surrounding area, finish up in Portsmouth for the Naval museums and easy access to Gatwick. |
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Post by franko on Apr 29, 2017 11:36:42 GMT -5
the benefit of digital . . . you don't have to develop everything. you can click away . . . just as long as you put the camera down some time and enjoy the sights in real time. have not regretted not carrying a camera, but have regretted not bringing it. only once, though. lesson learned. Don't worry, I've always had a digital camera on me (in addition to my cellphone which has a fine camera itself) and take 200 to 250 pictures a day. In six weeks in central europe in 2013, I took 14434 pictures. --- Current planning would be this: Land at Gatwick airport. Immediately rent car to go see Chartwell and a nearby castle, this will be less than 100km total driving, and I will drop off the car in Gatwick at the end of the day and know if I enjoy driving in England. My other potential car renting days are farther on, so along the way I'll either plan on renting or change my mind and plan for mass transit. Avec Dover, Canterbury, then 4 days in London, then Salisbury for Stonehenge and the cathedral, then 3 days to see the Jurassic coast area and Bovington tank museum and all the surrounding area, finish up in Portsmouth for the Naval museums and easy access to Gatwick. colour me green with envy |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 29, 2017 19:11:48 GMT -5
Driving on the "wrong side" is not a problem if you are a good driver. If not, then don't. Be honest with yourself. After a day or two, you won't think about it....but you must be always be alert of not slipping up. it's a quick catch-on . . . and it does become somewhat second nature. always alert . . . shouldn't that be every time you're behind the wheel (or the handlebars)? Riding is 100% defensive on, all the time. No exceptions. Driving varies on the situation and allows for mental multitasking. Where the problem arise driving is making a simple mistake like turning right to the inside lane......right into a front end collision. That is those "automatic" things we do that need 100% attention. A while ago, I was in Quebec and made a right hand turn on a red. Obviously a cop was coming the other way! Lol. He stopped checked my drivers licence and let me go. He asked me what i did wrong, i said i knew what i did after i did the turn. Sorry. He remarked "i saw you do it and i saw you had a front licence plate so i knew you were not drunk". No ticket. The same mistake of turning to the inside lane in GB and....head-on. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 29, 2017 19:30:13 GMT -5
the benefit of digital . . . you don't have to develop everything. you can click away . . . just as long as you put the camera down some time and enjoy the sights in real time. have not regretted not carrying a camera, but have regretted not bringing it. only once, though. lesson learned. Don't worry, I've always had a digital camera on me (in addition to my cellphone which has a fine camera itself) and take 200 to 250 pictures a day. In six weeks in central europe in 2013, I took 14434 pictures. --- Current planning would be this: Land at Gatwick airport. Immediately rent car to go see Chartwell and a nearby castle, this will be less than 100km total driving, and I will drop off the car in Gatwick at the end of the day and know if I enjoy driving in England. My other potential car renting days are farther on, so along the way I'll either plan on renting or change my mind and plan for mass transit. Avec Dover, Canterbury, then 4 days in London, then Salisbury for Stonehenge and the cathedral, then 3 days to see the Jurassic coast area and Bovington tank museum and all the surrounding area, finish up in Portsmouth for the Naval museums and easy access to Gatwick. We started by going south to Leeds castle and Dover, second day still in dover and some sights, then west, up the west side to more castles, coal mining area and first industrial area, its locks and canals, up to Wales and lake district, then headed east and South. We did London at the end. Reading the Rosseta stone in original Greek gave me the chills. One on one....2200 year span. British museum needs a 2-3 days all by itself. Best short vacation of our lives. You'll find that two weeks is on the squeezed side. For us, three is better and four or more starts to be too much vagabond and travel fatigue. Again enjoy....and put those pictures online. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 2, 2017 9:12:24 GMT -5
... still dreaming of Hadrian's Wall and Scotland ... Folks in Scotland are the salt of the earth ... we stayed with Mrs Dis' distant relatives and the hospitality was just ... words can't describe ... didn't know there were that many Georges in her family  ... saw the Wallace Monument and the dress rehearsal for the Edinburgh Tattoo (half-price of the regular show) ... if you do make it there also be sure to visit the National War Museum not far from the castle ... a French Imperial Eagle captured by Sgt Charles Ewert is on display, or at least it was when I was there ... never made it to Hadrian's Wall, but I'd like to some time ... Australia first, though ... heading over in late September and staying for 3 weeks ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on May 2, 2017 12:54:34 GMT -5
... still dreaming of Hadrian's Wall and Scotland ... never made it to Hadrian's Wall, but I'd like to some time ... Australia first, though ... heading over in late September and staying for 3 weeks ... ach. more jealousy! Gracefield this summer (sigh) . . . but a day trip into Montreal to see Queen/plus. BC next year (no, not that BC, the one that's enjoyable to visit ). family is getting in the way of my jet-setting! |
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Post by Cranky on May 2, 2017 16:13:39 GMT -5
I HATE YOU ALL.  For the last 6 years, I've had to spend any extra time by going back to the old country to look after my parents. The previous 20 years we had no time for bathroom breaks, never mind extended vacations. Scotland, Italy, Egypt, England and more are on our list of must do. At least a month each. I just hope that the gallon of preservative I drink every day works..... |
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Post by seventeen on May 3, 2017 15:30:42 GMT -5
I just got back from a cruise that included Crete, Cyprus and Rhodes, but I didn't see your parents, Cranky. Just missed them, I guess. Maybe it would help if I hit the mainland.  PS. Don't wait too long. Even now I can feel my knees keeping me from doing some things, like climbing the 1350 steps up to this fort in Kotor, Montenegro. I probably could have done it, but why bother? I see too many old fogies in walkers (bless em for trying) and cringe imagining that's me in a decade. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 4, 2017 13:16:20 GMT -5
I just got back from a cruise that included Crete, Cyprus and Rhodes, but I didn't see your parents, Cranky. Just missed them, I guess. Maybe it would help if I hit the mainland. PS. Don't wait too long. Even now I can feel my knees keeping me from doing some things, like climbing the 1350 steps up to this fort in Kotor, Montenegro. I probably could have done it, but why bother? I see too many old fogies in walkers (bless em for trying) and cringe imagining that's me in a decade. I was in Cyprus for six months back in '82 ... which port did you dock in, 17 ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2017 20:06:18 GMT -5
I just got back from a cruise that included Crete, Cyprus and Rhodes, but I didn't see your parents, Cranky. Just missed them, I guess. Maybe it would help if I hit the mainland. PS. Don't wait too long. Even now I can feel my knees keeping me from doing some things, like climbing the 1350 steps up to this fort in Kotor, Montenegro. I probably could have done it, but why bother? I see too many old fogies in walkers (bless em for trying) and cringe imagining that's me in a decade. Don't motorized and militarized walkers count? I find that my mind is willing to put in 70-80 hour weeks....but my body seriously punishes those attempts. Now, after a 12 hour day, I crawl back home and unlike 20 years ago, the next morning, I'm not jumping out of bed willing to repeat. My old arrogant mantra was.....outwork and outsmart everyone on the way to success. Now it's....I'll need day off and maybe tomorrow I'll do that. Or the day after. (PS....funny thing, I worked on Sunday till 2am, Monday till 4am and Tuesday till 1am....and today, I just didn't want to get out of bed. So I took the tablet to bed, made some calls for about an hour and stayed in bed till 5pm. The upside is i can do that if I want, the downside is that these "days off" are becoming more and more frequent. PSS...no direct body issues but after extended work periods, I just feel like my entire body goes into slow motion aching molasses. My better half sticks the butter knife in with..."move it grandpa" ) |
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Post by Cranky on May 4, 2017 20:18:14 GMT -5
Yo...PTH...pictures or the trip never happened!
Something else I forgot to mention. Make sure you bring a REAL rain jacket. Get a good one here because you'll pay a pretty price for one there. And waste time finding one.
Also, thin layer. T-shirt on a t-shirt. The outer t-shot should be an option of medium or heavy. You'll find 10 to 25 degree spread and lots of dampness.
If you get caught in the rain, you need to make sure you're not caught out of the appropiate temperture layers or you will feel pretty uncomfortable. The dampness excarcebates the temperature differences.
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... saw the Wallace Monument and the dress rehearsal for the Edinburgh Tattoo (half-price of the regular show) ... if you do make it there also be sure to visit the National War Museum not far from the castle ... a French Imperial Eagle captured by Sgt Charles Ewert is on display, or at least it was when I was there ... never made it to Hadrian's Wall, but I'd like to some time ... Australia first, though ... heading over in late September and staying for 3 weeks ... 
