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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2017 21:31:27 GMT -5
It's easy to look at the farm team's record and conclude that our prospects stink, but the truth is probably that we have promising prospects playing for a lousy coach with a lousy system. Imo, the head coach is the most important piece in the player development. For the Habs organization as a whole, MT and Sly have been huge barriers for prospect development. I remember there being an interview in which Sly said that Pateryn will never be a scorer in the NHL so they made him focus on defence and physicality (something along those lines...). This was following a rookie season of 7 goals in 39 games and a sophomore season of 15 goals in 68 games. I'm dumbfounded that he chose not to nurture his scoring potential. I still can't get over that. So it's nice to hear the positive reports. Our prospects don't suck, they just have especially difficult roads to the NHL. The system was broken from Rob Ramage to Michel Therrien ... one area that discouraged me was how short a time prospects stayed with the big club ... if a rookie made a mistake his butt was stapled to the bench ... Greg Pateryn had won a job before he suffered that shattered ankle ... just my opinion, but I thought he had more hockey sense than Nathan Beaulieu and Alexei Emelin and even given that, I thought he never really got a good shake from the organization ... that's the way I felt about several of our prospects ... I really think things will get better in a full season under Claude Julien ... I'll be surprised if there are no prospects in the lineup come opening night ... hoping to see some of the players in this camp under Julien's tutelage some day ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2017 22:01:44 GMT -5
... there's enough spirit in camp ...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2017 9:27:01 GMT -5
I got to see a lot of Sherbak this year in St. John's and both he and Della Rose had really strong 2nd half of the season. I would expect both of them to be really close to making the Habs this year if there is room but most likely be sent to Laval. Sherbak is a 2nd or 3rd line player along with Hudon so they may not fit well playing on the 4th line and mostly getting defensive responsibilities. Della Rose is a strong 3rd/4th line player, Lernout was solid all season and Lindgren played great. The cupboard may not be as bare as some think. I have been quite critical of a lot of what Lefebvre has done over the last five years, but I will also give him credit where credit is due. He stuck with DLR at centre on that second line with Matteau and Friberg for most of the second half, and it paid dividends. After DLR came back from his stint in Montreal, he played really inspired hockey and had some real chemistry with two regular linemates. Sly moves guys around a lot and does make some odd lineup choices, but this was a very good move and it paid off with DLR really finding a groove in his game. I think Scherbak also benefitted from when he got regular ice time on the top line with Hudon and Terry. He seemed a lot more engaged in the play. He is still young, but the skill is there once he irons out the kinks. Throughout the season when he was on the third line with Audette or even less inspiring linemates, he really did not stand out at all. I think he will make a noticeable jump in his play this season. I think DLR and Hudon are knocking on the door and should be right there in the fight for spots this fall. Both have to clear waivers and I think their time has come. Scherbak can definitely benefit from some more seasoning and maturing in the AHL. Also, the additions of guys like Holland, Froese and Reway should make a pretty decent top six along with guys like Terry, Carr (I think he falls victim to the numbers game), Scherbak and possibly McCarron. That is the best top six for a Habs farm team in a long while. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 7, 2017 10:12:19 GMT -5
Thought the same thing about Daniel Carr ... he contributed to the cause a little while ago, but I'm not sure where he fits in the big picture now ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jul 7, 2017 10:21:00 GMT -5
Thought the same thing about Daniel Carr ... he contributed to the cause a little while ago, but I'm not sure where he fits in the big picture now ... Cheers. He's a Gallagher-lite. Strong net presence, good hands, feisty. He's not a particularly great skater, that I remember. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 7, 2017 11:12:59 GMT -5
I got to see a lot of Sherbak this year in St. John's and both he and Della Rose had really strong 2nd half of the season. I would expect both of them to be really close to making the Habs this year if there is room but most likely be sent to Laval. Sherbak is a 2nd or 3rd line player along with Hudon so they may not fit well playing on the 4th line and mostly getting defensive responsibilities. Della Rose is a strong 3rd/4th line player, Lernout was solid all season and Lindgren played great. The cupboard may not be as bare as some think. I have been quite critical of a lot of what Lefebvre has done over the last five years, but I will also give him credit where credit is due. He stuck with DLR at centre on that second line with Matteau and Friberg for most of the second half, and it paid dividends. After DLR came back from his stint in Montreal, he played really inspired hockey and had some real chemistry with two regular linemates. Sly moves guys around a lot and does make some odd lineup choices, but this was a very good move and it paid off with DLR really finding a groove in his game. I think Scherbak also benefitted from when he got regular ice time on the top line with Hudon and Terry. He seemed a lot more engaged in the play. He is still young, but the skill is there once he irons out the kinks. Throughout the season when he was on the third line with Audette or even less inspiring linemates, he really did not stand out at all. I think he will make a noticeable jump in his play this season. I think DLR and Hudon are knocking on the door and should be right there in the fight for spots this fall. Both have to clear waivers and I think their time has come. Scherbak can definitely benefit from some more seasoning and maturing in the AHL. Also, the additions of guys like Holland, Froese and Reway should make a pretty decent top six along with guys like Terry, Carr (I think he falls victim to the numbers game), Scherbak and possibly McCarron. That is the best top six for a Habs farm team in a long while. Out of curiousity, and showing how open minded and forgiving I can be   did these moves by Lefebvre (sticking with DLR and keeping Scherbak on a consistent line) come about just after Therrien was fired? I'm not sure if it means anything, just curious about the timing. I doubt coaches on the big club have any influence what's going on at the farm, other than systems, but I'm curious. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2017 11:39:39 GMT -5
I have been quite critical of a lot of what Lefebvre has done over the last five years, but I will also give him credit where credit is due. He stuck with DLR at centre on that second line with Matteau and Friberg for most of the second half, and it paid dividends. After DLR came back from his stint in Montreal, he played really inspired hockey and had some real chemistry with two regular linemates. Sly moves guys around a lot and does make some odd lineup choices, but this was a very good move and it paid off with DLR really finding a groove in his game. I think Scherbak also benefitted from when he got regular ice time on the top line with Hudon and Terry. He seemed a lot more engaged in the play. He is still young, but the skill is there once he irons out the kinks. Throughout the season when he was on the third line with Audette or even less inspiring linemates, he really did not stand out at all. I think he will make a noticeable jump in his play this season. I think DLR and Hudon are knocking on the door and should be right there in the fight for spots this fall. Both have to clear waivers and I think their time has come. Scherbak can definitely benefit from some more seasoning and maturing in the AHL. Also, the additions of guys like Holland, Froese and Reway should make a pretty decent top six along with guys like Terry, Carr (I think he falls victim to the numbers game), Scherbak and possibly McCarron. That is the best top six for a Habs farm team in a long while. Out of curiousity, and showing how open minded and forgiving I can be did these moves by Lefebvre (sticking with DLR and keeping Scherbak on a consistent line) come about just after Therrien was fired? I'm not sure if it means anything, just curious about the timing. I doubt coaches on the big club have any influence what's going on at the farm, other than systems, but I'm curious. DLR was re-assigned to the IceCaps on February 8th, MT was fired on February 14th. No idea if the Montreal head coach has any say in how Sly uses his players, but that was the start of a regular second line role for DLR for the rest of the season. Scherbak bounced a bit more as Sly would at times move him down the lineup if his game or effort was seen to be lacking. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 7, 2017 12:15:23 GMT -5
Thanks NWT. It would be stretching things to think there was a connection. Cheers.
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Post by frozone on Jul 7, 2017 13:57:58 GMT -5
Thanks NWT. It would be stretching things to think there was a connection. Cheers. Yea I think MT/Julien probably did not have direct influence on Sly's lineup choices. But I do think that the MT/Julien system did have an effect on prospect performance. There was an interview on TSN690 with Julien on draft day. He basically said that his defensive system is geared towards getting the puck back from the other team as quickly as possible. Once they have possession and gain the opponent's zone, he encourages creativity and getting a quality shot on net when the opening is there. Under MT, I can only assume that you weren't allowed to even whisper "creativity" under your breath. With DLR specifically, I don't remember ever seeing him even carry the puck. He looked quite comfortable chasing the play and dumping the puck down the ice. Assuming Lefebvre absorbed Julien's philosophy, I can see why DLR may have experienced a sudden improvement in productivity. The only thing DLR was missing to become a good NHLer was a bit of experience being creative in the offensive zone. He was on the farm for 3 seasons with relatively zero improvement in that aspect of his game, until Julien comes on board. I don't think that's a coincidence, but obviously time will tell if it was just a fluke. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 9, 2017 9:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 9, 2017 9:32:28 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 9, 2017 9:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 9, 2017 9:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Sept 9, 2017 14:44:42 GMT -5
Liljegren got lit up to the tune of -4. Thought there were some good performances in what I saw. Skill demonstrated. No lucky garbage goals.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 9, 2017 16:39:18 GMT -5
Liljegren got lit up to the tune of -4. Thought there were some good performances in what I saw. Skill demonstrated. No lucky garbage goals. His pass to Ebbing for his second goal was awesome!! Ebbing had three goals last year in the NCAA and had two against Liljegren and the Leafs last night. An offensive explosion!! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 9, 2017 22:10:55 GMT -5
Boys get smoked 8-2 by Sens kids.
Back to Brossard to finish up rookie camp and see who goes to junior, who goes to main camp, and what they do with invites.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 10, 2017 10:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 11, 2017 9:28:09 GMT -5
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did these moves by Lefebvre (sticking with DLR and keeping Scherbak on a consistent line) come about just after Therrien was fired? I'm not sure if it means anything, just curious about the timing. I doubt coaches on the big club have any influence what's going on at the farm, other than systems, but I'm curious. 