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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2017 13:55:09 GMT -5
I've been trying to get this post out since 0700 hrs this morning ... I'm only getting back to it now ... Moving on from the fundamentalist social barbarity is exactly what I want and love to hear. Unfortunately, this is taking life and morphing into "sunglasses" instead of getting dealt as a practice of a tiny hardline religious minority that needs to be buried. Yes, it is a small core of extremists on several sides that are getting the majority of the press and making it difficult for everyone ... [/quote] The wearing of a veil, niqab, hijab, what have you, is a cultural custom that was implemented by men who were too insecure with themselves, to allow women to be themselves (Condell) ... yet it's almost counterproductive in another way ... I understand why the hijab is worn, but in many cases a hijab only enhances the beauty of a woman ... getting back on track, Quebec made it quite clear that this bill is more about protecting their citizens ... it's not about eradicating any perceived barbarities in a specific religion ... having said that, those barbarities can be held in check so long as we retain one law of the land for everyone who chooses to live here ... Trudeau can't afford to lose votes in Quebec and I suspect this is possibly the main reason he won't challenge anything ... however, what's being tested here are fundamental rights ... I'd like to know if an appeal will be launched and, if so, by who/what organization ... I see them all the time in the major centres, buds ... I can't speak for any of my Muslim friends, but they're very grateful for being in Canada ... Mrs Dis works at a pharmacy and every so often the girls get together for a lunch ... one of our devout Muslim friends goes to lunch with the girls, but she won't attend if there's alcohol at the table ... so, the girls meet for a dry lunch of sorts and no one gives a hoot ... after all, she's fed us during Ramadan ... it's what friends do for each other, I guess ... still, whether it's a bill directed squarely at them or just something insignificant, they feel the disdain towards them quite often ... but they're much bigger than all of that ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 24, 2017 14:51:52 GMT -5
One thing to clear up. The niqab is a face/head covering. The burqa is an open bottom body bag. The hijab is a scarf.
The hijab is a very long tradition of woman wearing scarves that crosses over a few religions. I have zero issue with that and argue against anyone who has a problem with it. My mother wore one and so does my wife in winter. For my mother is was part of her religion to cover her head in church and my wife....for the damn cold or the oppression of a bad hair day. As far as I know, there is no link to oppression other then a religious custom that is common to a few major religions.
And for the record....one of my earliest memories was my mother wrapping a massive scarf over my tuque to keep her precious little one from losing any ears. And I looked very cute in it so that ends that......
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2017 16:04:29 GMT -5
Some clarification on Bill 62 ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 24, 2017 16:34:25 GMT -5
Some clarification on Bill 62 ... Cheers. Thanks for this find Dis. It explains things better & corrects some wrongs that I had heard in the media. For instance, CBC was reporting that women would have to remove the niqab when using public transit when really, it's only required when boarding with a photo ID. It doesn't sound as restrictive as when it was first inroduced. The Liberals did a poor job of communicating & I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted the law challenged. They could return to the electorate & claim they made the effort. People like Patrick Brown look foolish when tweeting out words like racist. In fact, Chantal Hebert reported that he got serious blowback on that tweet from people that supported it. An aside: As someone that lives in Ontario now I just don't know who to vote for. Someone like Brown that jumps on an issue without thinking it through or Wynne. Really Ms. Wynne, stay out of the politics of other provinces, at least until you can manage your own job. Quebec, IMO, is probably the hardest province to govern. Also, I think there's anti Quebec sentiment here. I stopped reading comments on stories about Quebec quite a while ago. The level of intolerence, anti French bigotry and downright ignorance is hard to take. People with these agendas will spew no matter what position, Quebec, Montreal etc takes on issue. I think this law may be like a hockey trade. We want to judge it right away but we will have to wait a while. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2017 21:35:06 GMT -5
It explains things better & corrects some wrongs that I had heard in the media. For instance, CBC was reporting that women would have to remove the niqab when using public transit when really, it's only required when boarding with a photo ID. It doesn't sound as restrictive as when it was first introduced. They're not pursuing truth, they're pursuing the story ... I'm surprised they haven't used this decision as a testing ground for M-103 ... She should have been charged by now ... Yes, you go it ... they're also the kind of people who regard Twitter and Facebook as Think Tanks ... I'm interested in seeing if there's challenge from anywhere ... this is already making international headlines ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 25, 2017 7:15:28 GMT -5
I don't have a link but I saw on the CBC ticker that Montreal & Quebec City have said that they will not follow this legislation.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 25, 2017 13:11:54 GMT -5
I love how everyone can can declare they wont follow a certain law because they don't like it.
There are qa lot of laws I don't like, yet I still get jail time or fines if I break them. Why can politician say or do that and not get charged?
Oh wait...politicians....Gods special CHILDREN. And as children, they can tantrum their way to whatever they think will get votes.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 25, 2017 14:50:37 GMT -5
Reminds of a student protest trying to shut down Ben Shapiro's speaking engagement at the University of Utah recently.
When reminded by Nightline host, Dan Harris, that Shapiro's right to speak is protected by the 1st Amendment, the student leader said, "I don't care." Asked why, he replied, "I don't think that's, uh, like a relevant document right now."
Uh, like really?
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Post by jkr on Oct 27, 2017 17:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by clear observer on Oct 28, 2017 11:34:44 GMT -5
The thoughts of indoctrinated (BRAINWASHED) children who've grown to adulthood must not and cannot be perceived as objective.
No good has ever, or will ever, come from having a woman wear a bag. This subjugation must NEVER be seen as anything BUT just that...subjugation.
My two cents.
Peace.
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Post by clear observer on Oct 28, 2017 13:07:24 GMT -5
if wearing a spaghetti strainer on one's head or a balaclava on cold days is a right, then why not this? Respectfully, I'd have to deem this as false equivalency. |
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Post by franko on Oct 28, 2017 13:57:57 GMT -5
if wearing a spaghetti strainer on one's head or a balaclava on cold days is a right, then why not this? Respectfully, I'd have to deem this as false equivalency. Well, honestly, the spaghetti strainer. |
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Post by PTH on Oct 28, 2017 14:05:44 GMT -5
The thoughts of indoctrinated (BRAINWASHED) children who've grown to adulthood must not and cannot be perceived as objective. No good has ever, or will ever, come from having a woman wear a bag. This subjugation must NEVER be seen as anything BUT just that...subjugation. My two cents. Peace. My thinking is that if someone is unwilling to show their face on occasion, they're basically saying they don't want to be part of our society. The Globe and mail had a nice article about a poll showing how support for the Quebec law is pretty high all across the country. To me, this is a case where the "political class" has to find a way to accommodate the majority opinion, though without needlessly oppressing the minority. To me, this law is as good a starting place as any. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 29, 2017 18:24:06 GMT -5
The thoughts of indoctrinated (BRAINWASHED) children who've grown to adulthood must not and cannot be perceived as objective. No good has ever, or will ever, come from having a woman wear a bag. This subjugation must NEVER be seen as anything BUT just that...subjugation. My two cents. Peace. My thinking is that if someone is unwilling to show their face on occasion, they're basically saying they don't want to be part of our society. The Globe and mail had a nice article about a poll showing how support for the Quebec law is pretty high all across the country. To me, this is a case where the "political class" has to find a way to accommodate the majority opinion, though without needlessly oppressing the minority. To me, this law is as good a starting place as any. This is the problem with "politicians". The actually are arrogant enough to think they should "direct us". This is from not so bright people who forget who voted from them and what we want them to do. I'm involved with way too many politicians lately to get a project done. My opinion went from "couldn't care less" for them to downright "useless scabs that need peeling". Unfortunately, their big mouths can make me money so I have to put up with their "brilliant ideas". |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 30, 2017 8:17:35 GMT -5
My thinking is that if someone is unwilling to show their face on occasion, they're basically saying they don't want to be part of our society. The Globe and mail had a nice article about a poll showing how support for the Quebec law is pretty high all across the country. To me, this is a case where the "political class" has to find a way to accommodate the majority opinion, though without needlessly oppressing the minority. To me, this law is as good a starting place as any. This is the problem with "politicians". The actually are arrogant enough to think they should "direct us". This is from not so bright people who forget who voted from them and what we want them to do. I'm involved with way too many politicians lately to get a project done. My opinion went from "couldn't care less" for them to downright "useless scabs that need peeling". Unfortunately, their big mouths can make me money so I have to put up with their "brilliant ideas". An even bigger problem is the media ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 30, 2017 9:40:22 GMT -5
Including social media algorithms that demonize (and demonetize) opposing opinion.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 30, 2017 13:48:22 GMT -5
Including social media algorithms that demonize (and demonetize) opposing opinion. The biggest problem by far is ......Google. I find it amazing that Google claims there is no bias in their search engine but as soon as i search for "trump" i get 99% of the known left media opinion and "news". That's google.com. Google.ca is downright joke. Rabble articles keep popping up regularly which is no better then the very worse of the conspiracy right wing sites. The EU is chasing and slapping Google with billions in fines but you don't hear squat about their tricks here. |
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Moving on from the fundamentalist social barbarity is exactly what I want and love to hear. Unfortunately, this is taking life and morphing into "sunglasses" instead of getting dealt as a practice of a tiny hardline religious minority that needs to be buried. 
